Teachers' Union To Sue Private Schools Over Voucher Program...

[DontBeStupid]

Their parents are in charge of that, OohPooPahDoo.

Their parents are in charge of making sure there are enough voucher spots to satisfy demand? Yeah that makes sense.

Parents have a right to raise their children according to their faith if they wish. I know parents in some churches who don't want them to become sexual experiments by school districts that have never bothered to earn the parent's trust since the 1960s.

Schools are done. They failed children, families, communities and states. The postman is just ringing twice on bad schools.

It's official. You're full of shit.

 

[paulitician]

In a truly free Society, various methods should be allowed to be tried. The Teacher Unions should not have the power to dictate all the terms. One size does not fit all. Various methods and means for education should be embraced. No particular group should be allowed to force their agenda on others. And that's what the Teacher Unions have been allowed to do for too long. They have failed our kids. It's time to allow different methods of education to be tried. That's what should happen in a truly free Society.

 

[paulitician]

Freedom & Liberty really does scare many in our Country. Because when the People have Freedom & Liberty, it's very difficult for groups to force their agendas on them. Why should it be the Teacher Unions' way, or the highway? Why can't other methods and means of education be employed? Are we not a free nation?

Government is not the end all, as far as American Education goes. And i don't understand why so many think it is. Other ideas can and should be tried. Why not? It's America. I'm not even a big supporter of the voucher-system. But i don't mind trying new and original ideas when it comes to Education. The Teacher Unions have behaved shamefully in suing their fellow Citizens over things like this. And I really do think this video may explain why so many Americans cannot accept the idea of trying anything other than a rigid Government-mandated Education System.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo]SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

Voucher system would work. Completion works, all parents want their kids to get a good education. If schools aren't performing they need to be shut down, pushed out of the market by better preforming schools. I could run the damn school systems myself better than any of these clowns

 

[Jroc]

"it is easier to build strong children than it is to fix broken men" Frederick Douglass

 

[JoeB131]

Disgusting.

A Voucher Program will just be a tax giveaway for wealthy people who can already afford to send their kids to private schools, while taking money away from public schools where it is really needed.

Do you really think some private religious school is going to take Corky the developmentally disabled kid or Tryone gang-banger? Of course not. Leave them to the public schools. With less resources.

As a product of parochial schools, what you have here is a mistaken correlation. Of course, kids in Private schools do better, because their parents are more involved. Involved enough to actually spend money to send their kids there. It is not because their teachers are any better (they usually aren't) or their methods are more inventive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Parental involvement is most of the battle.

 

[squeeze berry]

Disgusting.

A Voucher Program will just be a tax giveaway for wealthy people who can already afford to send their kids to private schools, while taking money away from public schools where it is really needed.

Do you really think some private religious school is going to take Corky the developmentally disabled kid or Tryone gang-banger? Of course not. Leave them to the public schools. With less resources.

As a product of parochial schools, what you have here is a mistaken correlation. Of course, kids in Private schools do better, because their parents are more involved. Involved enough to actually spend money to send their kids there. It is not because their teachers are any better (they usually aren't) or their methods are more inventive.

this ^ has some truth.

Private schools. or at least the vast majority, do not have special education services. IDEA mandates that a free and appropriate education be provided to special needs children. Cost can not be taken into consideration. If it costs $50K per year for a child, so be it. The school district is required to find the funds from somewhere.

In addition, private schools are exempt from much of the state and federal regs. Less paperwork, less ass covering and fewer law suits.

Special education is rife with law suits.Don't like that your disruptive, violent mentally retarded child was removed from a SOL history class so that the other students can actually get an education, just file a lawsuit. RE: Hartman v. Loudoun County Public Schools.

 

[freedombecki]

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And the 3,400 that get left out get to continue to attend their failing school which will now have even less money to operate on.

Their parents are in charge of that, OohPooPahDoo.

Their parents are in charge of making sure there are enough voucher spots to satisfy demand? Yeah that makes sense.

The atheist camp that schools have become are not suitable for some parents, and the schools are not suitable to provide counselling for some problems their sons and daughters have that parents are better able to come up with as they may require family counselling.

This should not be the end of a public school--a hideout for human vices that is withheld from people some states charge with responsibility if their child destroys property or damages another person through bullying.

The schools are monsters now.

When parents had a say, schools were okay,

Now that the Teacher's atheist union and their lawyer protectors are in charge, the parent is viewed as the enemy of the child in many issues that revolve around discipline and morality.

The 3 rs are dead in modern schools. It's all about brainwashing in Marxism spread-the-wealth-around shit that ignores property lines and social boundaries considered unfathomable by many.

Parents are entitled to have their family privacy respected and not abused.

It's a religious matter and is not up for grabs by Marxists who disrespect First Amendment privileges of family and church.

 

[paulitician]

We need new ideas and alternatives when it comes to American Education. The current cookie-cutter Government System is broken. We need to become more flexible. The Teacher Unions have been radically militant in their resistance to any types of new ideas and changes. Suing their fellow Citizens is just one example of their militant resistance. They've had their shot, and they've failed the children. It's time for changes. Citizens should no longer be forced to do it their way.

 

[bripat9643]

That's right, blame the parents. That's exactly what a typical teacher's union toady would do.

That problem, signal, is the fault of the parents: not the administrators or the teachers. If parents were involved daily in their children's education, far more than saying "is your homework done", we would not have that problem.

 

[bripat9643]

Private schools choose their students, most public schools do not have that luxury. To compare the two is pure idiocy.

Wrong, parents choose the private schools their children attend. Your claim is just teacher's union propaganda.

NEWSFLASH - private schools don't have to accept every applicant.

Lord you're dumb as shit.

NEWSFLASH - they don't, but typically they do. Not many people can afford the scratch to send their kids to private schools. There are more slots available than students to fill them.

 

[freedombecki]

Their parents are in charge of making sure there are enough voucher spots to satisfy demand? Yeah that makes sense.

Parents have a right to raise their children according to their faith if they wish. I know parents in some churches who don't want them to become sexual experiments by school districts that have never bothered to earn the parent's trust since the 1960s.

Schools are done. They failed children, families, communities and states. The postman is just ringing twice on bad schools.

It's official. You're full of shit.

No, I am a parent of adult children whose schools that I trusted turned them into social beings that taught them their parents mean nothing in their future, and that is not in accordance with what our faith teaches--that families go on and take care of each other.

Under the arbitrary system of schools having taught alternative lifestyles as a desired objective with legal dissociation from loving families if necessary, we now have no rights, no one to care for us in our old age.

I'm not going to let people who now trust the school system be fooled about what their life ahead is going to be like with children not speaking to them because we don't want their alternative sexual habits smeared in our face all day and all night long.

People need to know what deleterious teaching atheism and legalism can be in place of human caring, respect for those who have taken care of you in your youth, and whose good faith has been broken by a hateful-to-Christian-parents system that now exists thanks to lawsuits placed against the family's religious beliefs that were not placed into effect until post lying McKenzie Reports, altered to suit a secretive pedophile who wormed his way into the scientific community and resorted to altering studies to suit his bent.

In short, if you don't mind being spurned by your own children's hatred for Christianity after the National Educational Association's brainwashing of Control Freakism for 12 formative years in your child's lives, who cares.

You and your group thinkers certainly don't give a damn about how parents feel except to take their money away from them for life brainwashing our children to act against us when they grow up.

You just want our money for life. You don't want one second's worth of input from people you deem as unworthy of their own children that they fought to give a decent home in the best way we knew how, and brainwashing them into being takers when we have taught them to be givers is over the top.

In short, schools can go to hell for all I care. They're pwned by the NEA that has dissociated itself from all else but pampering teachers into thinking they have all-power.

 

[bripat9643]

Care to share the case and Court ruling so we can all read it?

Thanks.

Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers | Fox News

Thanks, but you might want to take a second look there. The ruling was not that the vouchers were constitutional, but that the taxpayers suing did not have standing to sue.

the court ruled that taxpayers couldn't sue based on a general First Amendment complaint but rather need to show specific individual harm.

Then how do the teachers unions have standing to sue?

 

[bripat9643]

"Most economists agree that a school voucher system would improve our educational system" is a flat falsehood, because you can't offer any credible evidence for such a silly statement.

There's a mountain of evidence, you fucking dimwit. Private schools consistently outperform government schools.

 

[GuyPinestra]

I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.

Idiot, that's what we were doing 50 years ago when America's education system was the envy of the world.

 

[squeeze berry]

We need new ideas and alternatives when it comes to American Education. The current cookie-cutter Government System is broken. We need to become more flexible. The Teacher Unions have been radically militant in their resistance to any types of new ideas and changes. Suing their fellow Citizens is just one example of their militant resistance. They've had their shot, and they've failed the children. It's time for changes. Citizens should no longer be forced to do it their way.[/QUOTE]

when you go to a job, whose way do you do it?

how many ways should a clasrsroom teacher be forced to teach?

6 classes X 30 students = 180 different ways ????

 

[squeeze berry]

"Most economists agree that a school voucher system would improve our educational system" is a flat falsehood, because you can't offer any credible evidence for such a silly statement.

There's a mountain of evidence, you fucking dimwit. Private schools consistently outperform government schools.

they should.

Private schools have fewer regulations and better material to work with.

 

[paulitician]

We need new ideas and alternatives when it comes to American Education. The current cookie-cutter Government System is broken. We need to become more flexible. The Teacher Unions have been radically militant in their resistance to any types of new ideas and changes. Suing their fellow Citizens is just one example of their militant resistance. They've had their shot, and they've failed the children. It's time for changes. Citizens should no longer be forced to do it their way.[/QUOTE]

when you go to a job, whose way do you do it?

how many ways should a clasrsroom teacher be forced to teach?

6 classes X 30 students = 180 different ways ????

"their way" encompasses so much more than that one single issue. We are a free Society, we should be open to new ideas and changes. It doesn't have to be the Cookie-Cutter Government System when it comes to American Education. I don't understand how the Teacher Unions have been allowed so much power & control. They should not be allowed to dictate all the terms on Education.

All Citizens have the right to pursue Education. Suing your fellow Citizens, because you want to force your agenda on them, is just wrong and Un-American. Check out this short 8 Minute video. I think it does sufficiently explain why so many are so resistant to anything other than a Government-Run School System.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo]SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube[/ame]

 

[DontBeStupid]

Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers | Fox News

Thanks, but you might want to take a second look there. The ruling was not that the vouchers were constitutional, but that the taxpayers suing did not have standing to sue.

the court ruled that taxpayers couldn't sue based on a general First Amendment complaint but rather need to show specific individual harm.

Then how do the teachers unions have standing to sue?

When the voucher program is found unconstitutional, any taxpayer money that was sent to a private school would need to be immediately returned, as it legally belongs in the public school system. This would give teachers standing to sue a private school, as that private school is in possession of the teachers' money.