Teachers' Union To Sue Private Schools Over Voucher Program...

Why are they threatening fellow Citizens at all? It's not like they've anything positive for Public Education in the last 30yrs or so. In fact, they've become its biggest problem. So to Hell with em.

See what I mean?

I posted a letter which clearly explains the position of the Teachers, and Pauli comes on and asks about the position of the Teachers.

He just doesn't care to read or research.

They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Thats a lost cause man.....Progressive cant understand what honor or freedom actually means.....They dont think we as citizens should have a say in how our kids are educated or how the money we give in taxes should be spent....We are just small minded ignorant idiots that need our elitist betters to tell us how to live.
 
I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.
 
See what I mean?

I posted a letter which clearly explains the position of the Teachers, and Pauli comes on and asks about the position of the Teachers.

He just doesn't care to read or research.

They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Thats a lost cause man.....Progressive cant understand what honor or freedom actually means.....They dont think we as citizens should have a say in how our kids are educated or how the money we give in taxes should be spent....We are just small minded ignorant idiots that need our elitist betters to tell us how to live.

Yeah, many different methods of educating should be embraced. We are a free Nation after all. The Public Teacher Unions should no longer be allowed to dictate how the education process is employed. They don't have a leg to stand on. They've done absolutely nothing to improve Education. In fact they've only contributed to making it much worse. They shouldn't be dictating anything to anyone. This is just more sad Gestapo tactics. But their day is almost over.
 
I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.

You mean would we be in favor of getting rid of all your Progressive education failure so our kids can actually learn things???? Have you been eating paint chips?
 
I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.

Yeah, but you would say that. In reality, it's your buddies who have destroyed our Public School System. It's not 'Their way or the highway' anymore. One size does not fit all. Many other methods of Education should actually be embraced and encouraged. The Teacher Unions should not be allowed to dictate terms anymore. We are a free Nation. Other things can and should be tried when it comes to education.
 
Hey, How will these ass for brains fair in the three cities in California when they finish there Bankruptcies....
Those bargaining contacts won't be worth the paper they're written on.
LMAO!

The oh so Liberal way............ Break the system. Is dieing.
 
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Why are they threatening fellow Citizens at all? It's not like they've anything positive for Public Education in the last 30yrs or so. In fact, they've become its biggest problem. So to Hell with em.

See what I mean?

I posted a letter which clearly explains the position of the Teachers, and Pauli comes on and asks about the position of the Teachers.

He just doesn't care to read or research.

They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Pauli apparently supports the unconstitutional use of taxpayer funds.

Duly noted.
 
See what I mean?

I posted a letter which clearly explains the position of the Teachers, and Pauli comes on and asks about the position of the Teachers.

He just doesn't care to read or research.

They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Pauli apparently supports the unconstitutional use of taxpayer funds.

Duly noted.

I thought your avi was DON'T not DO.

Unless you are prepared to show where advocates it in those words, you are just spinning.

And failing.
 
The link is provided.

Yeah, I know. I'll wait for another post or link that will tell the whole story...Like your collecting rain water story

You were wise to wait since Pauli is never honest about the truth of a story. I don't think he means it on purpose. I think he just doesn't care to read or research.

In this case, the LA teachers have a pending court case challenging the constitutionality of the voucher program in LA. If the ruling goes in their favour, the voucher program could go away almost immediately, and any private school that had accepted funds would have unconstitutionally received public tax payer money. Money that would need to be returned immediately.

The LA teachers asked for an injunction, but one was denied and they are currently challenging that. In the mean time, they sent those letters to private schools, because, if the schools accept tax payer money that is then ruled unconstitutional, the union would have no choice but to sue to get taxpayer money back. It'd just be a huge mess for everyone.

Here's the actual letter sent by the union.

http://www.louisianaschools.net/lde/uploads/20192.pdf

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Spin it up asswipe.

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What spin? The letter is right there for you to read.

The Teachers Union is challenging the constitutionality of the law. If they win, any private school will be illegally receiving taxpayer funds.
 
I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.

You mean would we be in favor of getting rid of all your Progressive education failure so our kids can actually learn things???? Have you been eating paint chips?

No, I've not been into your snacks.

I am making a serious suggestion. Have a Red state put their money...and their kids...where there mouth is and try ALL their ideas about education for a full 13 years state wide....and let's see what happens.
 
The problem with the voucher system basically is that it takes the more successful students out of the public schools, leaving the more unsuccessful disadvantaged students. And let's get real and describe what the disadvantaged youth have against them. They are generally coming from homes were education is not the highest of priorities in the family. The parents do not support the teachers or the school as much as the parents that opt out of the public schools system.

There in lies the problem. If the school mandates homework each night for each subject, the parents of the public school system is likely to balk or not see that their children are getting it done. Without this parental support, it is almost impossible to keep the quality of the schools up to par with the charter and private schools.

Discipline is better at the charter and private schools. Again, the parents are more supportive and demand good discipline in the charter and private schools. Parents are not supporting the discipline policies if followed through in the public schools and more and more disciplinary actions have to take place, taking up instructional time.

Public school teachers are not evaluated as often as in the charter and private schools due to tenure and the quality of teaching is affected. Once a teacher has reached tenure, it is easy to slide especially when you don't have parental support, discipline in the school is an issue and administration is not supporting you..


In other words, parents are responsible for the poor performance of public schools. We've heard that bullcrap excuse before. In way that's true, because public schools are largely superfluous to the education process. In reality, they are little more than warehouses for children. They don't teach. The certainly didn't teach my stepson a damn thing. If I didn't teach him to read he would be illiterate. I also taught him addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. The school didn't do jack exceept give him assignments and grade his papers.

But it can change and it takes a good PR program to do just that. It's getting parents back on board and letting them know what is possible for their children if the school and the community work together. Every other year the teachers should be evaluated for effectiveness and unions who protect the ineffective teachers have to police their own.

If unions want to be considered part of the solution instead of the problem, they have to start workshops on the effective teacher, demanding excellence and expecting students and teachers both to perform. In turn, the parents have to expect they will be called on to support the "team."

The teacher's unions have been talking about various solutions to the poor performance of public schools for 30 years. They've recieved more money, smaller class sizes, teaching assistants, just about everything they've asked for. The public schools still suck. The truth is that one of the main problems with public schools is the teachers unions themselves, and also government control.

The way to fix schools is to free them from the tyranny of the teachers unions and govenrment control.
 
See what I mean?

I posted a letter which clearly explains the position of the Teachers, and Pauli comes on and asks about the position of the Teachers.

He just doesn't care to read or research.

They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Pauli apparently supports the unconstitutional use of taxpayer funds.

Duly noted.

Paul is confused in a lot of his posts. He has no issue if or if not the funds are used illegally. All he knows is that someone said Unions and he started seeing red. Same thing happened with Chick Fil A...someone told him liberals hated chickens or something and he went and stuck to those liberals by eating 2000 calories in a sitting. :badgrin: Just ridiculous
 
The problem with the voucher system basically is that it takes the more successful students out of the public schools, leaving the more unsuccessful disadvantaged students. And let's get real and describe what the disadvantaged youth have against them. They are generally coming from homes were education is not the highest of priorities in the family. The parents do not support the teachers or the school as much as the parents that opt out of the public schools system.

There in lies the problem. If the school mandates homework each night for each subject, the parents of the public school system is likely to balk or not see that their children are getting it done. Without this parental support, it is almost impossible to keep the quality of the schools up to par with the charter and private schools.

Discipline is better at the charter and private schools. Again, the parents are more supportive and demand good discipline in the charter and private schools. Parents are not supporting the discipline policies if followed through in the public schools and more and more disciplinary actions have to take place, taking up instructional time.

Public school teachers are not evaluated as often as in the charter and private schools due to tenure and the quality of teaching is affected. Once a teacher has reached tenure, it is easy to slide especially when you don't have parental support, discipline in the school is an issue and administration is not supporting you.

But it can change and it takes a good PR program to do just that. It's getting parents back on board and letting them know what is possible for their children if the school and the community work together. Every other year the teachers should be evaluated for effectiveness and unions who protect the ineffective teachers have to police their own.

If unions want to be considered part of the solution instead of the problem, they have to start workshops on the effective teacher, demanding excellence and expecting students and teachers both to perform. In turn, the parents have to expect they will be called on to support the "team."

It is not a problem with the Voucher System, for doing things right. If the Public System can learn from them, that is fine.
 
I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.

That's what the teacher's unions have been trying so hard to prevent for the last 30 years because they know what the results will be.

BTW, not all right wingers want prayer in schools or teaching creationism. However, under a voucher program, those that want it can get it, and those that don't want it don't have to get it.
 
They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Pauli apparently supports the unconstitutional use of taxpayer funds.

Duly noted.

The Supreme Court has already ruled it constitutional, shit-for-brains.
 
They shouldn't be threatening their fellow Citizens. Education can be successful by employing various different means. It's not just a one-way street. These Public Unions should be ashamed of themselves. It's not 'their way or the highway' anymore. The times they are a changin.

Pauli apparently supports the unconstitutional use of taxpayer funds.

Duly noted.

The Supreme Court has already ruled it constitutional, shit-for-brains.

Care to share the case and Court ruling so we can all read it?

Thanks.
 
Pauli apparently supports the unconstitutional use of taxpayer funds.

Duly noted.

The Supreme Court has already ruled it constitutional, shit-for-brains.

Care to share the case and Court ruling so we can all read it?

Thanks.

Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers | Fox News

Supreme Court Upholds Arizona School Vouchers

The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of an Arizona school voucher program that critics say improperly directs taxpayer funds to religious schools.
 
I believe that an entire state...Louisianna or Texas, perhaps...should shift their educational program to adopt ALL the ideas presented by the Right wing....no unions, vouchers, getting rid of evolution education, prayer in school, etc. and try it out for at least one school generation....13 years (K-12)...and see how those kids compete as adults.

I'm sure the Right wing and those Red states would look forward to such a project.

That's what the teacher's unions have been trying so hard to prevent for the last 30 years because they know what the results will be.

BTW, not all right wingers want prayer in schools or teaching creationism. However, under a voucher program, those that want it can get it, and those that don't want it don't have to get it.

I think I know what the results will be...and it won't be pretty for those states. But we know that the Right much prefers watching and whining than actually taking the bull by the horns.
 
I went my senior year in New Orleans in a public school .. I can tell you they are one of the worst in the country. My senior classes were the same that I had in PA in 8th grade. If you want ANY kind of education there , you HAVE To go to private schools.. My brother and my best friend lives there and both send their kids to Private schools.

No more Public Unions. Most Americans are sick of their jackbooted intimidation tactics. Their time has passed.


Last week, a lawyer for a Louisiana teachers’ union wrote a letter to 95 private schools that have agreed to participate in the Pelican State’s new school voucher program. His message? That vouchers are unconstitutional and if schools accept them, “We will have no alternative other than to institute litigation against [you].”

Nice little private school you got there. It’d be a shame if an angry education monopoly sunk it with groundless lawsuits.

The letter demonstrates the union’s desperation. Teachers’ unions hate vouchers because they require schools to compete on cost and quality, which means they’re unlikely to increase union rolls by hiring extra teachers. And the unions have every reason to be worried about Louisiana’s initiative: More than 10,000 kids have already signed up for the four-month-old program, five times as many as the state superintendent expected to sign up by this point.

Bill Maurer of the Institute for Justice, a libertarian public interest law firm, tells me that this legal intimidation is “unprecedented.” The Institute for Justice and the Alliance for School Choice have retained a lawyer to defend these schools pro bono.

Louisianans’ interest in vouchers grew out of the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina. In the wake of the storm, which destroyed many of New Orleans’ schools, state legislators instituted a series of education reforms targeting students in the impoverished city. One of the reforms was a New Orleans-specific voucher program; another allowed independently run, largely non-unionized public charter schools to open in the city. Those reforms have proven both popular and successful. Based on this success, Gov. Bobby Jindal made passing a statewide school choice bill one of his top priorities after winning re-election with two-thirds of the vote in 2011.

“This is not about the next election. This is not about the next poll. This is about the next generation,” Jindal repeatedly told state legislators. “If we want to preserve the American Dream for our children, if we want them to do better than we did, then it is important they get a great education”...

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