Tax cuts

[Big Black Dog]

Here is the truth, 1% of the population received 25% of all the income. The majority of all money not collected due to these tax cuts is spread over the top 10% of Americans, and that has cost us 3 trillion dollars over the last 10 years with absolutely nothing to show for it except republicans saying that it somehow was supposed to create jobs. While at the same time these very same people of money have sent more jobs overseas to third world countries with low pay and no benefits and no environmental restrictions.
Now they complain about health care and what it might cost but didn't flicker an eye lid at giving away 5 trillion in tax cuts so far and another 7 trillion to come, that our children will have to pick up. And the TEA PARTY express is helping them do it.


("Citizens for Tax Justice point out what I was saying just the other day: We only hear all this crying and moaning about the deficit when it's something for regular working people, and not a powerful lobby. And of course, the Republican's are right out there in front of the Hypocrisy Parade:

And yet, many of the lawmakers who argue that the health care reform legislation is “too costly” are the same lawmakers who supported the Bush tax cuts.

Their own voting record demonstrates that health care reform is not a matter of costs, but a matter of priorities.

It’s difficult to see how the Bush tax cuts could provide us with two and a half times the benefits of health care reform. In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers.

President Bush and his supporters argued that these high-income tax cuts would benefit everybody because they would unleash investment that would spark widespread economic prosperity. There seems to be no evidence of this, particularly given the collapse of the economy at the end of the Bush years.

The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period.")

wake up america before we really do have to take up guns to protect the working (POOR) class.

What are you pissing and moaning about? Obama has spent over 3 trillion dollars just since he's been in office and we don't have jack shit to show for that. Go whine somewhere else...

 

[Old Rocks]

Right...Creating a new entitlement and establishing a gaggle of new bureaucracies will save money.

Only on Barry Obolshevik's unicorn ranch.

OK Oddball, try to pay attention now, this requires critical thinking skills. Right now 50 million Americans don't have health care. Now I understand that you have no moral objections to this because like most righties you probably have no morals, but this means that everyone else has to pay for the fifty million. If we require everyone to assume at least some responsibility for themselves and pay at least a minimal amount of the cost healthcare will stabilize. This is what has been referred to as bending the cost curve. Of course we have to hold the greedy insurance corporations accountable, this is why there will be insurance exchanges (the least effective way, but all that could get past the lunk head Repubs).

If you think that this is a "government take over" I can't help you.

If you think that this is a "government take over"

Thats the only thing it can be, because it's not going to lower cost and its not going to give everybody free healthcare coverage,

Dumb ass, nobody states that it would create free health care. However, we are the only industrial nation in which citizens routinely go bankrupt from medical bills. And 75% of those going bankrupt actually have medical insurance. Plus about 50 million of our citizens have no health care insurance at all right now.

Not only do other industrial nations cover all of their citizens, they do so for 25% to 50% less per capita than our costs per capita.

So, what I see you saying is too hell with Americans, save the billion dollar profits that our insurance companies make off of the present health care system.

 

[Oddball]

The CBO says that 'Obamacare' will save us one trillion dollars over the next 20 years. That is a reduction of the deficit tea partiers.

Right...Creating a new entitlement and establishing a gaggle of new bureaucracies will save money.

Only on Barry Obolshevik's unicorn ranch.

OK Oddball, try to pay attention now, this requires critical thinking skills. Right now 50 million Americans don't have health care. Now I understand that you have no moral objections to this because like most righties you probably have no morals, but this means that everyone else has to pay for the fifty million. If we require everyone to assume at least some responsibility for themselves and pay at least a minimal amount of the cost healthcare will stabilize. This is what has been referred to as bending the cost curve. Of course we have to hold the greedy insurance corporations accountable, this is why there will be insurance exchanges (the least effective way, but all that could get past the lunk head Repubs).

If you think that this is a "government take over" I can't help you.

Everyone who pays their bills has health care.

Gubmint has never ever "bent the cost curve" of anything in a downward direction, as they are completely immune from the normal market forces.

You are either a blind party man hack fool or insane....Or both.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

MYTHS
Tax Cuts: Myths and Realities — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

debunk all of them guys.

Maybe you should know a little history on your source
From your link
Video: Honoring Richard W. Boone — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Social justice? Is a liberal code word. So your attempt to present a nyth just got debunk junior.
Oh and they mention Sal Alinsky.
You do know who he is don't you?

OH and from that source I see the tides foundation mention
Tides Foundation | Tides

Calling on Iowa where did you go?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

OK Oddball, try to pay attention now, this requires critical thinking skills. Right now 50 million Americans don't have health care.

That is not true. Several million Americans don't have health insurance, but you don't know whether or not they have health care. So much for your critical thinking skills.

Now I understand that you have no moral objections to this because like most righties you probably have no morals

As opposed to pillars of morality like Teddy Kennedy and Robert Byrd and Gary Condit and well, you get the picture.

but this means that everyone else has to pay for the fifty million.

And why is that? Oh that's right. The government passed a law 30 years ago forcing that upon us. So naturally, the solution is to have the government pass a new law to fix the problem they created with the old law, rather than just repealing the old law in the first place because that would just be ridiculous.

If we require everyone to assume at least some responsibility for themselves and pay at least a minimal amount of the cost healthcare will stabilize.

Good reason to get rid of Medicaid and SCHIP and make people pay more money for unnecessary health insurance policies that cover every single sniffle and sneeze.

This is what has been referred to as bending the cost curve. Of course we have to hold the greedy insurance corporations accountable,

Another government created problem.

this is why there will be insurance exchanges (the least effective way, but all that could get past the lunk head Repubs).

False. The Democrats had a filibuster proof majority when the health care bill passed. The Republicans stopped absolutely nothing. Don't be a fibber.

If you think that this is a "government take over" I can't help you.

Yes, telling me I have to buy health insurance or else and controlling the insurance policies that are allowed to be offered to me is very much a government take over. I'm not sure what other definition there is.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

OK Oddball, try to pay attention now, this requires critical thinking skills. Right now 50 million Americans don't have health care. Now I understand that you have no moral objections to this because like most righties you probably have no morals, but this means that everyone else has to pay for the fifty million. If we require everyone to assume at least some responsibility for themselves and pay at least a minimal amount of the cost healthcare will stabilize. This is what has been referred to as bending the cost curve. Of course we have to hold the greedy insurance corporations accountable, this is why there will be insurance exchanges (the least effective way, but all that could get past the lunk head Repubs).

If you think that this is a "government take over" I can't help you.

If you think that this is a "government take over"

Thats the only thing it can be, because it's not going to lower cost and its not going to give everybody free healthcare coverage,

Dumb ass, nobody states that it would create free health care. However, we are the only industrial nation in which citizens routinely go bankrupt from medical bills. And 75% of those going bankrupt actually have medical insurance. Plus about 50 million of our citizens have no health care insurance at all right now.

Not only do other industrial nations cover all of their citizens, they do so for 25% to 50% less per capita than our costs per capita.

So, what I see you saying is too hell with Americans, save the billion dollar profits that our insurance companies make off of the present health care system.

Is that your final answer dipshit?

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is the truth, 1% of the population received 25% of all the income. The majority of all money not collected due to these tax cuts is spread over the top 10% of Americans, and that has cost us 3 trillion dollars over the last 10 years with absolutely nothing to show for it except republicans saying that it somehow was supposed to create jobs. While at the same time these very same people of money have sent more jobs overseas to third world countries with low pay and no benefits and no environmental restrictions.
Now they complain about health care and what it might cost but didn't flicker an eye lid at giving away 5 trillion in tax cuts so far and another 7 trillion to come, that our children will have to pick up. And the TEA PARTY express is helping them do it.


("Citizens for Tax Justice point out what I was saying just the other day: We only hear all this crying and moaning about the deficit when it's something for regular working people, and not a powerful lobby. And of course, the Republican's are right out there in front of the Hypocrisy Parade:

And yet, many of the lawmakers who argue that the health care reform legislation is “too costly” are the same lawmakers who supported the Bush tax cuts.

Their own voting record demonstrates that health care reform is not a matter of costs, but a matter of priorities.

It’s difficult to see how the Bush tax cuts could provide us with two and a half times the benefits of health care reform. In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers.

President Bush and his supporters argued that these high-income tax cuts would benefit everybody because they would unleash investment that would spark widespread economic prosperity. There seems to be no evidence of this, particularly given the collapse of the economy at the end of the Bush years.

The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period.")

wake up america before we really do have to take up guns to protect the working (POOR) class.

What are you pissing and moaning about? Obama has spent over 3 trillion dollars just since he's been in office and we don't have jack shit to show for that. Go whine somewhere else...

By the time that all the bills come in, we will have paid 3 trillion for a war based on lies. And spent over 4000 American lives for those lies. All to our detriment.

The money that President Obama has spent has been to attempt to prevent the worst of the damage to our economy from the prior eight years of incompetance and corruption. Had people like you not supported the economic policies that created this mess, we would not have had to spend this money.

 

[Old Rocks]

Thats the only thing it can be, because it's not going to lower cost and its not going to give everybody free healthcare coverage,

Dumb ass, nobody states that it would create free health care. However, we are the only industrial nation in which citizens routinely go bankrupt from medical bills. And 75% of those going bankrupt actually have medical insurance. Plus about 50 million of our citizens have no health care insurance at all right now.

Not only do other industrial nations cover all of their citizens, they do so for 25% to 50% less per capita than our costs per capita.

So, what I see you saying is too hell with Americans, save the billion dollar profits that our insurance companies make off of the present health care system.

Is that your final answer dipshit?

Hell no, idiot child. Not only do the nations like Germany, France, and Japan pay less per capita for their health care, they live longer and healthier than we do.

What I see here is a willing shill prefering to put money into the pockets of the very wealthy, at the expense of the health of the children of this nation. Standard Conservative morals.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Dumb ass, nobody states that it would create free health care. However, we are the only industrial nation in which citizens routinely go bankrupt from medical bills. And 75% of those going bankrupt actually have medical insurance. Plus about 50 million of our citizens have no health care insurance at all right now.

Not only do other industrial nations cover all of their citizens, they do so for 25% to 50% less per capita than our costs per capita.

So, what I see you saying is too hell with Americans, save the billion dollar profits that our insurance companies make off of the present health care system.

Is that your final answer dipshit?

Hell no, idiot child. Not only do the nations like Germany, France, and Japan pay less per capita for their health care, they live longer and healthier than we do.

What I see here is a willing shill prefering to put money into the pockets of the very wealthy, at the expense of the health of the children of this nation. Standard Conservative morals.

Yes te healthcare law was passed undr the gue of healthcare coverage for the 30 millions of Ameriucans who do not have any. At no cost the them ass wipe
The government is priming people for the free healthcare
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho-hnZcEs6g[/ame]

A look into the future of things to come
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzFxl54VWeU[/ame]

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Hell no, idiot child. Not only do the nations like Germany, France, and Japan pay less per capita for their health care, they live longer and healthier than we do.

That has nothing to do with them having a socialist health care system. And your odds of surviving serious diseases like cancer are far better here than in those countries

What I see here is a willing shill prefering to put money into the pockets of the very wealthy, at the expense of the health of the children of this nation.

Who is putting money into the pockets of the wealthy? I don't see that happening here. Furthermore, it is not the responsibility of the wealthy to see to it that the children of America have health insurance. That is the responsibility of the parents of each and every child.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

MYTHS
Tax Cuts: Myths and Realities — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

debunk all of them guys.

Maybe you should know a little history on your source
From your link
Video: Honoring Richard W. Boone — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Social justice? Is a liberal code word. So your attempt to present a nyth just got debunk junior.
Oh and they mention Sal Alinsky.
You do know who he is don't you?

OH and from that source I see the tides foundation mention
Tides Foundation | Tides

Calling on Iowa where did you go?

Tic toc tic toc

 

[Iowa10000]

The truth is nobody has to have tax cuts, and I think most middle americans would be willing to give up the very few dollars that they get in order to cut spending, but I'm sure the very rich aren't. Tax cuts for the rich were so far down the totem poll of what this electin was about it isn't funny.
I would give up my 6/10 dollars a week if it means that the rich would give up their 365,000 a year average in order to balance the budget.

I think we should put a hold on all spending for that matter and anything including defense should be held to a strict limit on what can be spent.

You do realize that under Obama's plan on tax cuts to people who make less than 250,000 that even the guy making a 1,000,000 would still get close to 60,000 in cuts.

How much do you think you will get big shot?

I'm for ending the wars that cost us 2.5 billion a week.
I'm for the death penalty.
I'm for allowing Gays to be equal citizens.
I'm for allowing people to own weapons for their own safety or pleasure.
I'm for allowing any kid to attend college even if his parent can't afford it.
I'm for going after Bush/Cheney for war crimes.
I'm for making those who hire Illegals to be arrested.
I'm for affordable health care.
I'm for giving tax incentives to corp and small business that keep jobs in America.
I'm for buying american first.

 

[Twofox]

Ok so why is Obama in India this week talking about doing more business?

Regulation is what klills business. Take a look at the 3 most heavily regulated businesses in america. Auto, health, real estate. What happened to all of them? They crashed and burned.

Smart regulation is key, but not over regulation which the dems seem to want to do. Making all businesses file a 1099 for every purchase over $600 creates jobs, but the company hiring isn't creating any more income. Less moeny to the bottom line, meaning they have to lay off a production worker.

But with over regulation comes higher cost to do business, and when you can move overseas and operate for alot less, that's where businesses go.

The job of government isn't to create jobs... it's to create an atmosphere where businesses can thrive and then create jobs.

We have to take a look at our core values as established when the country was founded:

• All human beings are equal in value.
•God gave all human beings rights that no other person or group can remove.
•Inherent rights for all human beings include the right to not be killed, the right to political and civil freedom, and the right to do what one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.
•The purpose of government is to protect the above rights; no more than that.
• The only powers government has are those agreed upon by the people; no more than that. If government unlawfully kills, violates political and civil freedom, and/or acts outside the authority granted by the people, then the people are right to end such criminal acts and establish a new government.

Creating an environment where those core values are compromised, then saying that our system doesn't work is dishonest. Too many folks seem to want to make us into a mirror of european countries. We are not and never will be. If that's what you want you should go live there.

 

[loosecannon]

This thread struck a nerve too!

 

[loosecannon]

Ok so why is Obama in India this week talking about doing more business?

Regulation is what klills business. Take a look at the 3 most heavily regulated businesses in america. Auto, health, real estate. What happened to all of them? They crashed and burned.

Smart regulation is key, but not over regulation which the dems seem to want to do. Making all businesses file a 1099 for every purchase over $600 creates jobs, but the company hiring isn't creating any more income. Less moeny to the bottom line, meaning they have to lay off a production worker.

But with over regulation comes higher cost to do business, and when you can move overseas and operate for alot less, that's where businesses go.

The job of government isn't to create jobs... it's to create an atmosphere where businesses can thrive and then create jobs.

We have to take a look at our core values as established when the country was founded:

• All human beings are equal in value.
•God gave all human beings rights that no other person or group can remove.
•Inherent rights for all human beings include the right to not be killed, the right to political and civil freedom, and the right to do what one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.
•The purpose of government is to protect the above rights; no more than that.
• The only powers government has are those agreed upon by the people; no more than that. If government unlawfully kills, violates political and civil freedom, and/or acts outside the authority granted by the people, then the people are right to end such criminal acts and establish a new government.

Creating an environment where those core values are compromised, then saying that our system doesn't work is dishonest. Too many folks seem to want to make us into a mirror of european countries. We are not and never will be. If that's what you want you should go live there.

Certainly one of the most delusional posts I ever read online. Nearly every sentence was horseshit packaged as rationality.

 

[Twofox]

Ok so why is Obama in India this week talking about doing more business?

Regulation is what klills business. Take a look at the 3 most heavily regulated businesses in america. Auto, health, real estate. What happened to all of them? They crashed and burned.

Smart regulation is key, but not over regulation which the dems seem to want to do. Making all businesses file a 1099 for every purchase over $600 creates jobs, but the company hiring isn't creating any more income. Less moeny to the bottom line, meaning they have to lay off a production worker.

But with over regulation comes higher cost to do business, and when you can move overseas and operate for alot less, that's where businesses go.

The job of government isn't to create jobs... it's to create an atmosphere where businesses can thrive and then create jobs.

We have to take a look at our core values as established when the country was founded:

• All human beings are equal in value.
•God gave all human beings rights that no other person or group can remove.
•Inherent rights for all human beings include the right to not be killed, the right to political and civil freedom, and the right to do what one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.
•The purpose of government is to protect the above rights; no more than that.
• The only powers government has are those agreed upon by the people; no more than that. If government unlawfully kills, violates political and civil freedom, and/or acts outside the authority granted by the people, then the people are right to end such criminal acts and establish a new government.

Creating an environment where those core values are compromised, then saying that our system doesn't work is dishonest. Too many folks seem to want to make us into a mirror of european countries. We are not and never will be. If that's what you want you should go live there.

Certainly one of the most delusional posts I ever read online. Nearly every sentence was horseshit packaged as rationality.

On only has to look at your sig to see where your ideology lies... Progressive, which of course makes any sensible solution anathema to you.

 

[Iowa10000]

TWO FOX r u nuts? R u saying that business should be allowed to do as they want and there should be no oversight? That they will do the right thing if just left alone.

I think you named three groups, two that were given basically a free hand of running their own yet did a masterful job of almost bringing our country to it's knees. If you add the banking industry removal of over watch and that of the stock market you would see why we need regulations.
Not to forget to what our food would be like without oversight, or our air and water quality would be without the EPA and not to forget OSHA even though republicans have tried to end it.

The govt is here to protect us from each other and the harm that would be done if not stopped by oversight. You want more relaxing of oversight even tho every time this has happened it has ended with worse outcomes over better ones.

Heres a quick read on the Bush years and what they caused to our Budget.
Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[loosecannon]

Ok so why is Obama in India this week talking about doing more business?

Regulation is what klills business. Take a look at the 3 most heavily regulated businesses in america. Auto, health, real estate. What happened to all of them? They crashed and burned.

Smart regulation is key, but not over regulation which the dems seem to want to do. Making all businesses file a 1099 for every purchase over $600 creates jobs, but the company hiring isn't creating any more income. Less moeny to the bottom line, meaning they have to lay off a production worker.

But with over regulation comes higher cost to do business, and when you can move overseas and operate for alot less, that's where businesses go.

The job of government isn't to create jobs... it's to create an atmosphere where businesses can thrive and then create jobs.

We have to take a look at our core values as established when the country was founded:

• All human beings are equal in value.
•God gave all human beings rights that no other person or group can remove.
•Inherent rights for all human beings include the right to not be killed, the right to political and civil freedom, and the right to do what one chooses as long as no harm is done to others.
•The purpose of government is to protect the above rights; no more than that.
• The only powers government has are those agreed upon by the people; no more than that. If government unlawfully kills, violates political and civil freedom, and/or acts outside the authority granted by the people, then the people are right to end such criminal acts and establish a new government.

Creating an environment where those core values are compromised, then saying that our system doesn't work is dishonest. Too many folks seem to want to make us into a mirror of european countries. We are not and never will be. If that's what you want you should go live there.

Certainly one of the most delusional posts I ever read online. Nearly every sentence was horseshit packaged as rationality.

On only has to look at your sig to see where your ideology lies... Progressive, which of course makes any sensible solution anathema to you.

I don't have any ideologies, shit for brains partisan scum.

YOU do.

 

[Iowa10000]

Deficit spending and tax cuts growing the economy to offset any loss revenue is a funny one that GEORGE BUSH SR has a story to talk about.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pGsBkLHZ44[/ame]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

MYTHS
Tax Cuts: Myths and Realities — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

debunk all of them guys.

Maybe you should know a little history on your source
From your link
Video: Honoring Richard W. Boone — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Social justice? Is a liberal code word. So your attempt to present a nyth just got debunk junior.
Oh and they mention Sal Alinsky.
You do know who he is don't you?

OH and from that source I see the tides foundation mention
Tides Foundation | Tides

Calling on Iowa where did you go?

Iowa