Swiss Region Bans Burqas

[ChrisL]

You people need to understand that we citizens have rights and OUR government is not to dictate such things to us.

You need to understand that there are already dictats that you accept without question, I've you cannot walk around naked. But because you don't mind that one you sweep it aside, and keep making assumptions about your own country. Oh boy. Just go and do the research and you will see for yourself, I can't keep spoon feeding.

I am already aware that the government cannot ban "religious" articles of clothing. Lol.

You really aren't paying attention, so this will be my last try. The laws we are discussing relate to covering the face. Doesn't matter what the person is covering it with. Ps it is not a religious requirement to cover your face in Islam, so it is not religious clothing.

The faith and civil rights communities must join with legislators to amend this law to insure public safety while maintaining the respect for religious freedom.

Although, I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says Muslim women must cover their faces in public. I believe it is their right to do so.

While I must remind the readers that in Philadelphia some men have committed armed robbery while wearing niqab, the face veil.



(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”
A Closer Look At The Virginia Mask Law

Are you replying to me or not?

If you are, then the point being made was made, not by me, but Alex. I'm sorry if you're butting into our conversation and then getting annoyed about it, but that is your problem and nobody else's.

If those "freedoms" possibly pose a threat from terrorism then yes limit. Would you allow a Sryian refugees enrollment into a flight school the moment they come to the US?

No I wasn't replying to you, but I'm not in the least surprised that you can't follow the thread.

Meh, just let him guess. It's amusing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't like the government being able to tell us what we can and cannot wear for one thing. A government enforced dress code? No thank you.

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

So, back to Halloween, no hiding of faces?

No, back to, exceptions can and are made, and are made clear in the laws. Walnut, California maybe being the exception

So, there are exceptions for everything but Muslim women? Right..... why?

Sounds just like people want to take freedoms away from Muslims.

Not really. A Jewish, Christian, atheist, Hindu, Jaine, agnostic also may also not wear a face mask except for the times, events, circumstances that the law allows.

Really? In Switzerland, the purpose of this post, they banned Burkas, not other religious dress that covers faces.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You people need to understand that we citizens have rights and OUR government is not to dictate such things to us.

You need to understand that there are already dictats that you accept without question, I've you cannot walk around naked. But because you don't mind that one you sweep it aside, and keep making assumptions about your own country. Oh boy. Just go and do the research and you will see for yourself, I can't keep spoon feeding.

I am already aware that the government cannot ban "religious" articles of clothing. Lol.

You really aren't paying attention, so this will be my last try. The laws we are discussing relate to covering the face. Doesn't matter what the person is covering it with. Ps it is not a religious requirement to cover your face in Islam, so it is not religious clothing.

The faith and civil rights communities must join with legislators to amend this law to insure public safety while maintaining the respect for religious freedom.

Although, I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says Muslim women must cover their faces in public. I believe it is their right to do so.

While I must remind the readers that in Philadelphia some men have committed armed robbery while wearing niqab, the face veil.



(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”
A Closer Look At The Virginia Mask Law

Are you replying to me or not?

If you are, then the point being made was made, not by me, but Alex. I'm sorry if you're butting into our conversation and then getting annoyed about it, but that is your problem and nobody else's.

If those "freedoms" possibly pose a threat from terrorism then yes limit. Would you allow a Sryian refugees enrollment into a flight school the moment they come to the US?

No I wasn't replying to you, but I'm not in the least surprised that you can't follow the thread.

Why would you be surprised? None of your posts have who you're replying to.

 

[Tilly]

You need to understand that there are already dictats that you accept without question, I've you cannot walk around naked. But because you don't mind that one you sweep it aside, and keep making assumptions about your own country. Oh boy. Just go and do the research and you will see for yourself, I can't keep spoon feeding.

I am already aware that the government cannot ban "religious" articles of clothing. Lol.

You really aren't paying attention, so this will be my last try. The laws we are discussing relate to covering the face. Doesn't matter what the person is covering it with. Ps it is not a religious requirement to cover your face in Islam, so it is not religious clothing.

The faith and civil rights communities must join with legislators to amend this law to insure public safety while maintaining the respect for religious freedom.

Although, I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says Muslim women must cover their faces in public. I believe it is their right to do so.

While I must remind the readers that in Philadelphia some men have committed armed robbery while wearing niqab, the face veil.



(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”
A Closer Look At The Virginia Mask Law

Not paying attention? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the post number of your link. That is something that you need to do when you are debating about an issue with someone.

Now, back to the subject, where in the state bylaws is this law? There is no reference, just a very short paragraph claiming there is a law with no reference material. I really cannot take it seriously unless it references the specific law so that it can be looked up and read.

This is all your link says about it . . . Showed "us" the law it states. Who is "us?" It seems as if it is a blog site.

(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”

Reel you're neck back in you stupid woman. You have made a lot of silly statements and you can't be bothered to go back a few pages because you don't want to see that you don't understand your own laws nearly as well as you thought you did. You are pretending such indignation it's hilarious. If you are too lazy too check out you're own laws and too afraid of what you will find, that's your problem not mine. I have no intention of repeatedly finding and posting this stuff for you. You are behaving like an obnoxious obstinate teenager. Now, get off you're backside, go do some of your own research, think about what you find, and get back to me when you can discuss it in an informed and adult manner. Lol @ you

Also, you don't need to be angry and cranky about it. It is a fairly simple request. If you had requested me to provide a link, I would not have such an issue nor would I throw a temper tantrum. So calm down and provide the link that you claim you have or you have forfeited the argument because you cannot prove your statements. Thank you again.

I don't have any intention of providing links more than once. I also told you which states you could start looking at. I don't intend to keep posting the same stuff ad infinitum at your childish requests. Grow up, and if you care as much as you want us to think you do, with all you're wailing and exclamation marks and stamping of feet, that's what you'd do.

 

[ChrisL]

I am already aware that the government cannot ban "religious" articles of clothing. Lol.

You really aren't paying attention, so this will be my last try. The laws we are discussing relate to covering the face. Doesn't matter what the person is covering it with. Ps it is not a religious requirement to cover your face in Islam, so it is not religious clothing.

The faith and civil rights communities must join with legislators to amend this law to insure public safety while maintaining the respect for religious freedom.

Although, I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says Muslim women must cover their faces in public. I believe it is their right to do so.

While I must remind the readers that in Philadelphia some men have committed armed robbery while wearing niqab, the face veil.



(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”
A Closer Look At The Virginia Mask Law

Not paying attention? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the post number of your link. That is something that you need to do when you are debating about an issue with someone.

Now, back to the subject, where in the state bylaws is this law? There is no reference, just a very short paragraph claiming there is a law with no reference material. I really cannot take it seriously unless it references the specific law so that it can be looked up and read.

This is all your link says about it . . . Showed "us" the law it states. Who is "us?" It seems as if it is a blog site.

(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”

Reel you're neck back in you stupid woman. You have made a lot of silly statements and you can't be bothered to go back a few pages because you don't want to see that you don't understand your own laws nearly as well as you thought you did. You are pretending such indignation it's hilarious. If you are too lazy too check out you're own laws and too afraid of what you will find, that's your problem not mine. I have no intention of repeatedly finding and posting this stuff for you. You are behaving like an obnoxious obstinate teenager. Now, get off you're backside, go do some of your own research, think about what you find, and get back to me when you can discuss it in an informed and adult manner. Lol @ you

Also, you don't need to be angry and cranky about it. It is a fairly simple request. If you had requested me to provide a link, I would not have such an issue nor would I throw a temper tantrum. So calm down and provide the link that you claim you have or you have forfeited the argument because you cannot prove your statements. Thank you again.

I don't have any intention of providing links more than once. I also told you which states you could start looking at. I don't intend to keep posting the same stuff ad infinitum at your childish requests. Grow up, and if you care as much as you want us to think you do, with all you're wailing and exclamation marks and stamping of feet, that's what you'd do.

Stamping my feet? I asked for a link, a post number or a page number. Lol. That is a normal request around here. You ought to get used to it. I guess you don't really have the proof you claim that wearing a burka is "illegal" anywhere in the United States. So thanks! Appreciate that!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Islamic women are true women who know their role in life and accept it. ......

STFU raghead

Make me faggot. ....

Least you know your place huh? Under me just like the women you think are under you. Now throw down your coat, I stepped in some pig shit & I need to wipe my loafers clean.

Muslim scum

 

[Tilly]

You really aren't paying attention, so this will be my last try. The laws we are discussing relate to covering the face. Doesn't matter what the person is covering it with. Ps it is not a religious requirement to cover your face in Islam, so it is not religious clothing.

The faith and civil rights communities must join with legislators to amend this law to insure public safety while maintaining the respect for religious freedom.

Although, I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says Muslim women must cover their faces in public. I believe it is their right to do so.

While I must remind the readers that in Philadelphia some men have committed armed robbery while wearing niqab, the face veil.



(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”
A Closer Look At The Virginia Mask Law

Not paying attention? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the post number of your link. That is something that you need to do when you are debating about an issue with someone.

Now, back to the subject, where in the state bylaws is this law? There is no reference, just a very short paragraph claiming there is a law with no reference material. I really cannot take it seriously unless it references the specific law so that it can be looked up and read.

This is all your link says about it . . . Showed "us" the law it states. Who is "us?" It seems as if it is a blog site.

(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”

Reel you're neck back in you stupid woman. You have made a lot of silly statements and you can't be bothered to go back a few pages because you don't want to see that you don't understand your own laws nearly as well as you thought you did. You are pretending such indignation it's hilarious. If you are too lazy too check out you're own laws and too afraid of what you will find, that's your problem not mine. I have no intention of repeatedly finding and posting this stuff for you. You are behaving like an obnoxious obstinate teenager. Now, get off you're backside, go do some of your own research, think about what you find, and get back to me when you can discuss it in an informed and adult manner. Lol @ you

No, I don't want to read 56 or so pages just to find your link. If you are going to make claims, then it is up to you to back them up with reputable and legitimate links when requested or you forfeit.

When I politely asked you to refer back to those articles, they were just a few pages away, as I told you at the time. But you were too busy wailing and misunderstanding just about everything to carry out the mammoth task of clicking back a few pages. Such is life.

Well, I am only reading those posts addressed to me. I'm not reading the entire thread, so if you wouldn't mind at least providing me with the page number, that would be appreciated.

If you're idea of understanding and engaging in a debate is to read only the posts addressed to you, you have a freaking cheek to demand I do anything. No wonder you have no clue as to what is going on. You don't even read the posts, then demand people sort it all out for you? I'm trying not to be rude, as I've agreed with a lot of posts you've made elsewhere on other subjects, but if you cannot even be bothered to follow the thread, please don't demand I do anything for you. I'm done with you on this subject. Have a nice, day/ evening, whatever the time is where you are. Ciao.

 

[ChrisL]

Not paying attention? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the post number of your link. That is something that you need to do when you are debating about an issue with someone.

Now, back to the subject, where in the state bylaws is this law? There is no reference, just a very short paragraph claiming there is a law with no reference material. I really cannot take it seriously unless it references the specific law so that it can be looked up and read.

This is all your link says about it . . . Showed "us" the law it states. Who is "us?" It seems as if it is a blog site.

(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”

Reel you're neck back in you stupid woman. You have made a lot of silly statements and you can't be bothered to go back a few pages because you don't want to see that you don't understand your own laws nearly as well as you thought you did. You are pretending such indignation it's hilarious. If you are too lazy too check out you're own laws and too afraid of what you will find, that's your problem not mine. I have no intention of repeatedly finding and posting this stuff for you. You are behaving like an obnoxious obstinate teenager. Now, get off you're backside, go do some of your own research, think about what you find, and get back to me when you can discuss it in an informed and adult manner. Lol @ you

No, I don't want to read 56 or so pages just to find your link. If you are going to make claims, then it is up to you to back them up with reputable and legitimate links when requested or you forfeit.

When I politely asked you to refer back to those articles, they were just a few pages away, as I told you at the time. But you were too busy wailing and misunderstanding just about everything to carry out the mammoth task of clicking back a few pages. Such is life.

Well, I am only reading those posts addressed to me. I'm not reading the entire thread, so if you wouldn't mind at least providing me with the page number, that would be appreciated.

If you're idea of understanding and engaging in a debate is to read only the posts addressed to you, you have a freaking cheek to demand I do anything. No wonder you have no clue as to what is going on. You don't even read the posts, then demand people sort it all out for you? I'm trying not to be rude, as I've agreed with a lot of posts you've made elsewhere on other subjects, but if you cannot even be bothered to follow the thread, please don't demand I do anything for you. I'm done with you on this subject. Have a nice, day/ evening, whatever the time is where you are. Ciao.

Of course I'm not going to read a thread with the back and forth bullshit that goes on here. Lol. You made a claim. I asked you to back it up. You refuse. That's your problem, I suppose. If you feel like posting it, by all means, and then I can check it out. Until then, I guess there is nothing more to discuss here. You failed to prove your claim. Have a good one!

 

[Tilly]

You really aren't paying attention, so this will be my last try. The laws we are discussing relate to covering the face. Doesn't matter what the person is covering it with. Ps it is not a religious requirement to cover your face in Islam, so it is not religious clothing.

The faith and civil rights communities must join with legislators to amend this law to insure public safety while maintaining the respect for religious freedom.

Although, I do not subscribe to the school of thought that says Muslim women must cover their faces in public. I believe it is their right to do so.

While I must remind the readers that in Philadelphia some men have committed armed robbery while wearing niqab, the face veil.



(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”
A Closer Look At The Virginia Mask Law

Not paying attention? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims with the post number of your link. That is something that you need to do when you are debating about an issue with someone.

Now, back to the subject, where in the state bylaws is this law? There is no reference, just a very short paragraph claiming there is a law with no reference material. I really cannot take it seriously unless it references the specific law so that it can be looked up and read.

This is all your link says about it . . . Showed "us" the law it states. Who is "us?" It seems as if it is a blog site.

(WUSA) — As we’re approaching Halloween, you may want to refrain from wearing your mask in public before the scary day if you live in Virginia. Doing so landed a 19-year-old Spotsylvania man behind bars.

Wearing masks in Virginia’s public places is a felony that could land you behind bars up to 5 years. Attorney Robert Hall showed us the 1960 statute last amended in 1986. The code prohibits anyone older than 16 from wearing masks or hoods except on Halloween or for medical, safety, or weather reasons. Why?

“This was oriented towards making Klu Klux Klan members be less intimidating by requiring them to disclose their identity,” explained Hall.

But what if you’re concealing your identity for religious reasons like many Muslim women? Surprisingly, there is no exemption: according to the law, that too is illegal.

“If someone thought it was important to their reelection or their initial election that they propose the prosecution of someone wearing a burkah, they could get them on this statute,” said Hall.

“Clearly, there should be a religious exemption,” said Imam Johari Abdul-Malik with the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center. He says it’s a dangerous loophole that infringes on their civil rights.

He added, “Virginia has changed. There are people who cover their faces now who didn’t cover their faces in the 1960s.”

Reel you're neck back in you stupid woman. You have made a lot of silly statements and you can't be bothered to go back a few pages because you don't want to see that you don't understand your own laws nearly as well as you thought you did. You are pretending such indignation it's hilarious. If you are too lazy too check out you're own laws and too afraid of what you will find, that's your problem not mine. I have no intention of repeatedly finding and posting this stuff for you. You are behaving like an obnoxious obstinate teenager. Now, get off you're backside, go do some of your own research, think about what you find, and get back to me when you can discuss it in an informed and adult manner. Lol @ you

Also, you don't need to be angry and cranky about it. It is a fairly simple request. If you had requested me to provide a link, I would not have such an issue nor would I throw a temper tantrum. So calm down and provide the link that you claim you have or you have forfeited the argument because you cannot prove your statements. Thank you again.

I don't have any intention of providing links more than once. I also told you which states you could start looking at. I don't intend to keep posting the same stuff ad infinitum at your childish requests. Grow up, and if you care as much as you want us to think you do, with all you're wailing and exclamation marks and stamping of feet, that's what you'd do.

Stamping my feet? I asked for a link, a post number or a page number. Lol. That is a normal request around here. You ought to get used to it. I guess you don't really have the proof you claim that wearing a burka is "illegal" anywhere in the United States. So thanks! Appreciate that!

This post perfectly highlight why you should not be debating with grown ups. You are either stupid with very serious comprehension problems, or you are pretending to misunderstand what has been said and are misrepresenting what has been said. Does it make you feel better to do that? You must be more insecure than I thought.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Comparing impermanent situations to women wearing beekeeper suits ALL THE TIME.

Fail.

So, it's okay if you go out and wear a Burka once, but not okay if you wear it every day? How do the police know you've worn it more than once?

Or do they have to arrest you to find out? Then they arrest kids on Halloween and make sure they don't do it again until they get arrested the next year?

Your outlandish hypotheticals have nothing to do with the law that was passed or the reasons it was passed. It's you Leftists that celebrate movies like Vendetta in which terrorists hide behind masks. We consider masked miscreants as target practice for armed citizens. The only reason anyone wants to disguise themselves in public is to commit violence and it's better to follow the Golden Rule: Do unto Leftists before Leftists do unto you.

Hypotheticals? You mean people don't cover their faces at Halloween? Of course they do.

You make a law banning people covering their faces in public, then NOBODY at ANY TIME can cover their faces.

So when it's cold they can't cover their faces, when it's party time they can't cover their faces.

Or should we be honest about things here. The law was passed because the people covering their faces are Muslims, and "fuck Muslims, we hate Muslims, Muslims don't have rights, fuck Muslims and fuck them again"

Right? That's all it's about, it's about Christians declaring their "superiority" over Muslims, making life for Muslims as difficult as possible and telling Muslims "FUCK YOU".

Nothing more than that.

Muslims can wear Halloween masks too. Your argument fails on every level.

No it doesn't.

So, Muslims can go around in Halloween masks instead of the Burka then? Then what will happen, some person will then decide to ban Halloween masks to get at Muslims.

A Muslim wants to cover their face with a burka, but can't. How is that freedom?

A Muslim won't have any less freedom than anyone else. Are you really so stupid you think freedom is "I can do anything I want to do"?

 

[Tilly]

Reel you're neck back in you stupid woman. You have made a lot of silly statements and you can't be bothered to go back a few pages because you don't want to see that you don't understand your own laws nearly as well as you thought you did. You are pretending such indignation it's hilarious. If you are too lazy too check out you're own laws and too afraid of what you will find, that's your problem not mine. I have no intention of repeatedly finding and posting this stuff for you. You are behaving like an obnoxious obstinate teenager. Now, get off you're backside, go do some of your own research, think about what you find, and get back to me when you can discuss it in an informed and adult manner. Lol @ you

No, I don't want to read 56 or so pages just to find your link. If you are going to make claims, then it is up to you to back them up with reputable and legitimate links when requested or you forfeit.

When I politely asked you to refer back to those articles, they were just a few pages away, as I told you at the time. But you were too busy wailing and misunderstanding just about everything to carry out the mammoth task of clicking back a few pages. Such is life.

Well, I am only reading those posts addressed to me. I'm not reading the entire thread, so if you wouldn't mind at least providing me with the page number, that would be appreciated.

If you're idea of understanding and engaging in a debate is to read only the posts addressed to you, you have a freaking cheek to demand I do anything. No wonder you have no clue as to what is going on. You don't even read the posts, then demand people sort it all out for you? I'm trying not to be rude, as I've agreed with a lot of posts you've made elsewhere on other subjects, but if you cannot even be bothered to follow the thread, please don't demand I do anything for you. I'm done with you on this subject. Have a nice, day/ evening, whatever the time is where you are. Ciao.

Of course I'm not going to read a thread with the back and forth bullshit that goes on here. Lol.

It does sound as though it really is much too difficult for you to follow a thread. A single thread. Thanks for the heads up. Poor dear.

 

[Tilly]

not dress code, just don't hide your face code

So, back to Halloween, no hiding of faces?

No, back to, exceptions can and are made, and are made clear in the laws. Walnut, California maybe being the exception

So, there are exceptions for everything but Muslim women? Right..... why?

Sounds just like people want to take freedoms away from Muslims.

Not really. A Jewish, Christian, atheist, Hindu, Jaine, agnostic also may also not wear a face mask except for the times, events, circumstances that the law allows.

Really? In Switzerland, the purpose of this post, they banned Burkas, not other religious dress that covers faces.

You do realise that the conversation has become much wider, what with people not knowing or understanding their own laws and whatnot, don't you or maybe you have these people on ignore. Whatever.
Anyway, back to Switzerland. About 25% of its population comes,from elsewhere, so who knows? I don't think they generate any stats based on religion, other than the the number of Protestants v Catholics within Christianity, so who knows? And, I really want to say this only one more time, they said they intended to ban other masks too, and that balaclavas and so on were going to be dealt with in the same law, but that they suspected that there would then be cries about Muslims being likened to bank robbers, burglars and so on. Of course, that's probably exactly what would have happened, so they demonstrated foresight there.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, it's okay if you go out and wear a Burka once, but not okay if you wear it every day? How do the police know you've worn it more than once?

Or do they have to arrest you to find out? Then they arrest kids on Halloween and make sure they don't do it again until they get arrested the next year?

Your outlandish hypotheticals have nothing to do with the law that was passed or the reasons it was passed. It's you Leftists that celebrate movies like Vendetta in which terrorists hide behind masks. We consider masked miscreants as target practice for armed citizens. The only reason anyone wants to disguise themselves in public is to commit violence and it's better to follow the Golden Rule: Do unto Leftists before Leftists do unto you.

Hypotheticals? You mean people don't cover their faces at Halloween? Of course they do.

You make a law banning people covering their faces in public, then NOBODY at ANY TIME can cover their faces.

So when it's cold they can't cover their faces, when it's party time they can't cover their faces.

Or should we be honest about things here. The law was passed because the people covering their faces are Muslims, and "fuck Muslims, we hate Muslims, Muslims don't have rights, fuck Muslims and fuck them again"

Right? That's all it's about, it's about Christians declaring their "superiority" over Muslims, making life for Muslims as difficult as possible and telling Muslims "FUCK YOU".

Nothing more than that.

Muslims can wear Halloween masks too. Your argument fails on every level.

No it doesn't.

So, Muslims can go around in Halloween masks instead of the Burka then? Then what will happen, some person will then decide to ban Halloween masks to get at Muslims.

A Muslim wants to cover their face with a burka, but can't. How is that freedom?

A Muslim won't have any less freedom than anyone else. Are you really so stupid you think freedom is "I can do anything I want to do"?

Did I say that freedom is do what you like?

Freedom is do what you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

How about we ban Christians from having crosses? I mean, many Christians kill people, they're a potential threat, they have guns and things.

They can't complain that their freedom is being taken away, because freedom isn't "I can do anything I want to do", right?

SO, ban crosses. Why? Because we can.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, back to Halloween, no hiding of faces?

No, back to, exceptions can and are made, and are made clear in the laws. Walnut, California maybe being the exception

So, there are exceptions for everything but Muslim women? Right..... why?

Sounds just like people want to take freedoms away from Muslims.

Not really. A Jewish, Christian, atheist, Hindu, Jaine, agnostic also may also not wear a face mask except for the times, events, circumstances that the law allows.

Really? In Switzerland, the purpose of this post, they banned Burkas, not other religious dress that covers faces.

You do realise that the conversation has become much wider, what with people not knowing or understanding their own laws and whatnot, don't you or maybe you have these people on ignore. Whatever.
Anyway, back to Switzerland. About 25% of its population comes,from elsewhere, so who knows? I don't think they generate any stats based on religion, other than the the number of Protestants v Catholics within Christianity, so who knows? And, I really want to say this only one more time, they said they intended to ban other masks too, and that balaclavas and so on were going to be dealt with in the same law, but that they suspected that there would then be cries about Muslims being likened to bank robbers, burglars and so on. Of course, that's probably exactly what would have happened, so they demonstrated foresight there.

I have fundamental principles in life. I realise by talking to many people on this forum that most people simply don't. They're reactionaries. They respond to each new event in isolation to other events. They can make contradictory statements one moment to the next.

What I'm doing is showing this reactionary nature in people, but the thing is that reactionaries will make sure they've shored up their arguments in some way or another.

If you're for freedoms and rights, then you have to understand freedoms and rights. What makes a country free, what makes rights what they are and not privileges.

The simple answer to this is that a right is a right no matter what, no matter who and no matter when. It's the same for almost everything.

If you want freedom, you can't compromise on freedom, you can't say freedom for this person and not freedom for that person based on a whim. But people are doing that en masse on this forum. Trump is doing this and turning the US away from freedom and towards some kind of right wing wet dream. The right is often claiming to be pro-human rights, pro-freedom, but its actions are often different. (That's not to say the left doesn't have reactionaries too).

I probably have a lot of the muppets on ignore. The insulters definitely. But, I know many people don't have a clue what they're talking about and are just reacting how they see fit.

 

[Katzndogz]

What freedom has Trump taken away? What freedom do you think he will take away?

I do hope it's not the freedom to enter this country illegally.

 

[Tilly]

No, back to, exceptions can and are made, and are made clear in the laws. Walnut, California maybe being the exception

So, there are exceptions for everything but Muslim women? Right..... why?

Sounds just like people want to take freedoms away from Muslims.

Not really. A Jewish, Christian, atheist, Hindu, Jaine, agnostic also may also not wear a face mask except for the times, events, circumstances that the law allows.

Really? In Switzerland, the purpose of this post, they banned Burkas, not other religious dress that covers faces.

You do realise that the conversation has become much wider, what with people not knowing or understanding their own laws and whatnot, don't you or maybe you have these people on ignore. Whatever.
Anyway, back to Switzerland. About 25% of its population comes,from elsewhere, so who knows? I don't think they generate any stats based on religion, other than the the number of Protestants v Catholics within Christianity, so who knows? And, I really want to say this only one more time, they said they intended to ban other masks too, and that balaclavas and so on were going to be dealt with in the same law, but that they suspected that there would then be cries about Muslims being likened to bank robbers, burglars and so on. Of course, that's probably exactly what would have happened, so they demonstrated foresight there.

I have fundamental principles in life. I realise by talking to many people on this forum that most people simply don't. They're reactionaries. They respond to each new event in isolation to other events. They can make contradictory statements one moment to the next.

What I'm doing is showing this reactionary nature in people, but the thing is that reactionaries will make sure they've shored up their arguments in some way or another.

If you're for freedoms and rights, then you have to understand freedoms and rights. What makes a country free, what makes rights what they are and not privileges.

The simple answer to this is that a right is a right no matter what, no matter who and no matter when. It's the same for almost everything.

If you want freedom, you can't compromise on freedom, you can't say freedom for this person and not freedom for that person based on a whim. But people are doing that en masse on this forum. Trump is doing this and turning the US away from freedom and towards some kind of right wing wet dream. The right is often claiming to be pro-human rights, pro-freedom, but its actions are often different. (That's not to say the left doesn't have reactionaries too).

I probably have a lot of the muppets on ignore. The insulters definitely. But, I know many people don't have a clue what they're talking about and are just reacting how they see fit.

I understand that you take very seriously the issue of rights and that you are passionate about that, and I apologise if I've been rather flippant with you, but I doubt we will ever see eye to on this particular matter, partly maybe because I live in Europe and you live in the US and that probably makes our experiences of this issue different, perhaps. I can see that you think I'm a reactionary who doesn't see the big picture (I think you couldn't be further from the truth), but I see you as a naive ideologue who doesn't really understand what is happening all around the world, and with the media as it is, that means right under your nose. The very values the West has fought for and that you and I, yes I, hold dear are also what make us weak when up against the enemy that is Islamism. I view the explosion in the wearing of burqa's and niqabs in Europe since 9/11 to be very telling, and I am clearly not alone in this, in Europe at least. I support the banning of this expression of wahabi militant Islamism, and I'd be happy for all face masks to be banned in public places for security reasons also. I also support the Swiss in their efforts to preserve their culture and values and to take security measures such as this, you clearly never will, preferring to see this as some kind of abuse of religious freedom, or the removal of a right. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue, as I'm fed up pointlessly going round in circles. Anyway, regardless of our differences, I do hope you have a nice day

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, there are exceptions for everything but Muslim women? Right..... why?

Sounds just like people want to take freedoms away from Muslims.

Not really. A Jewish, Christian, atheist, Hindu, Jaine, agnostic also may also not wear a face mask except for the times, events, circumstances that the law allows.

Really? In Switzerland, the purpose of this post, they banned Burkas, not other religious dress that covers faces.

You do realise that the conversation has become much wider, what with people not knowing or understanding their own laws and whatnot, don't you or maybe you have these people on ignore. Whatever.
Anyway, back to Switzerland. About 25% of its population comes,from elsewhere, so who knows? I don't think they generate any stats based on religion, other than the the number of Protestants v Catholics within Christianity, so who knows? And, I really want to say this only one more time, they said they intended to ban other masks too, and that balaclavas and so on were going to be dealt with in the same law, but that they suspected that there would then be cries about Muslims being likened to bank robbers, burglars and so on. Of course, that's probably exactly what would have happened, so they demonstrated foresight there.

I have fundamental principles in life. I realise by talking to many people on this forum that most people simply don't. They're reactionaries. They respond to each new event in isolation to other events. They can make contradictory statements one moment to the next.

What I'm doing is showing this reactionary nature in people, but the thing is that reactionaries will make sure they've shored up their arguments in some way or another.

If you're for freedoms and rights, then you have to understand freedoms and rights. What makes a country free, what makes rights what they are and not privileges.

The simple answer to this is that a right is a right no matter what, no matter who and no matter when. It's the same for almost everything.

If you want freedom, you can't compromise on freedom, you can't say freedom for this person and not freedom for that person based on a whim. But people are doing that en masse on this forum. Trump is doing this and turning the US away from freedom and towards some kind of right wing wet dream. The right is often claiming to be pro-human rights, pro-freedom, but its actions are often different. (That's not to say the left doesn't have reactionaries too).

I probably have a lot of the muppets on ignore. The insulters definitely. But, I know many people don't have a clue what they're talking about and are just reacting how they see fit.

I understand that you take very seriously the issue of rights and that you are passionate about that, and I apologise if I've been rather flippant with you, but I doubt we will ever see eye to on this particular matter, partly maybe because I live in Europe and you live in the US and that probably makes our experiences of this issue different, perhaps. I can see that you think I'm a reactionary who doesn't see the big picture (I think you couldn't be further from the truth), but I see you as a naive ideologue who doesn't really understand what is happening all around the world, and with the media as it is, that means right under your nose. The very values the West has fought for and that you and I, yes I, hold dear are also what make us weak when up against the enemy that is Islamism. I view the explosion in the wearing of burqa's and niqabs in Europe since 9/11 to be very telling, and I am clearly not alone in this, in Europe at least. I support the banning of this expression of wahabi militant Islamism, and I'd be happy for all face masks to be banned in public places for security reasons also. I also support the Swiss in their efforts to preserve their culture and values and to take security measures such as this, you clearly never will, preferring to see this as some kind of abuse of religious freedom, or the removal of a right. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue, as I'm fed up pointlessly going round in circles. Anyway, regardless of our differences, I do hope you have a nice day

You think I don't understand. I do. However I see things perhaps differently to you do.

Sure, the values that we hold sacred are what can make us weak. But they don't have to make us weak.

But if you give up your principles to fight those without good principles, then you've lost.

The problem is, we have some principles, and ignore them when it suits us.

My principles say that invading Iraq was wrong. They also say the post war period was wrong. That we brought this aggression on ourselves. Now we're trying to fight this new aggression in the same way we managed to bring on the aggression in the first place.

Also I see this situation where the right make problems in order to be tough on the problems, to legitimise their existence.

It happens in Israel/Palestine, for example, where the right wing Israelis and right wing Palestinians are using each other to cause more problems and therefore to increase their own popularity.

Bush went to war, caused problems, increased hatred of the US and the west, and then needs a stronger military to deal with the fallout, and the politicians, like Trump, only need to make simple statements like "Islam is bad" and too many people fall in line and accept the eroding of our rights.

I don't think any of this was an accident.

The end of the Cold War saw the end of the Republicans 12 years in the White House. Clinton was there. Then when Bush got elected he suddenly made a situation that was, again, suitable and convenient for the right.

They like spending on defense, they like having regressive laws while telling people they're pro-human rights. (Plenty examples of this sort of contradiction, pro-life but pro executions, pro war etc etc). It's perfect for them. They've destabilized the world, and they're licking their lips.

Making regressive laws simply plays into the hands of such people, and I'm not going to stand by and accept their crap.

The explosion of burkas and things in Europe and the west is generally because people who are reactionary, on both sides, are coming up with arguments that aren't sensible, and then people fly off the handle.

Why are we letting in people we don't need? It doesn't make much sense, but it happens because WE are causing ourselves problems. Because we open our borders and hand out free stuff, allow conditions that wouldn't happen under sensible policies.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What freedom has Trump taken away? What freedom do you think he will take away?

I do hope it's not the freedom to enter this country illegally.

The way Trump is developing, by the primaries next year he'll be demanding that Muslims wear a crescent on their arm.

 

[ChrisL]

No, I don't want to read 56 or so pages just to find your link. If you are going to make claims, then it is up to you to back them up with reputable and legitimate links when requested or you forfeit.

When I politely asked you to refer back to those articles, they were just a few pages away, as I told you at the time. But you were too busy wailing and misunderstanding just about everything to carry out the mammoth task of clicking back a few pages. Such is life.

Well, I am only reading those posts addressed to me. I'm not reading the entire thread, so if you wouldn't mind at least providing me with the page number, that would be appreciated.

If you're idea of understanding and engaging in a debate is to read only the posts addressed to you, you have a freaking cheek to demand I do anything. No wonder you have no clue as to what is going on. You don't even read the posts, then demand people sort it all out for you? I'm trying not to be rude, as I've agreed with a lot of posts you've made elsewhere on other subjects, but if you cannot even be bothered to follow the thread, please don't demand I do anything for you. I'm done with you on this subject. Have a nice, day/ evening, whatever the time is where you are. Ciao.

Of course I'm not going to read a thread with the back and forth bullshit that goes on here. Lol.

It does sound as though it really is much too difficult for you to follow a thread. A single thread. Thanks for the heads up. Poor dear.

Well, TBH, I really don't know what your problem is. I only asked you for a link to back up your claims. You failed to provide me with one. That's all there is to it.

 

[Tilly]

When I politely asked you to refer back to those articles, they were just a few pages away, as I told you at the time. But you were too busy wailing and misunderstanding just about everything to carry out the mammoth task of clicking back a few pages. Such is life.

Well, I am only reading those posts addressed to me. I'm not reading the entire thread, so if you wouldn't mind at least providing me with the page number, that would be appreciated.

If you're idea of understanding and engaging in a debate is to read only the posts addressed to you, you have a freaking cheek to demand I do anything. No wonder you have no clue as to what is going on. You don't even read the posts, then demand people sort it all out for you? I'm trying not to be rude, as I've agreed with a lot of posts you've made elsewhere on other subjects, but if you cannot even be bothered to follow the thread, please don't demand I do anything for you. I'm done with you on this subject. Have a nice, day/ evening, whatever the time is where you are. Ciao.

Of course I'm not going to read a thread with the back and forth bullshit that goes on here. Lol.

It does sound as though it really is much too difficult for you to follow a thread. A single thread. Thanks for the heads up. Poor dear.

Well, TBH, I really don't know what your problem is. I only asked you for a link to back up your claims. You failed to provide me with one. That's all there is to it.

Give it a rest, dear. I'm not interested in debating with airheads who admit they ignore most of a thread, ignore the articles and links already provided because they only read posts directed at them, then demand that others go over it all again. Your picture shows you are a middle aged woman, yet you behave like a vacuous spoilt child. So, once again, go and bore the pants off someone else. Thanks