Support basic competancy test for firearms ownership?

[Skull Pilot]

Pezz -

Choose a western country.

Find their rate of death by gun shot wound.

Find their rate of gun ownership.

Compare those with the US.

There's your answer.

Legal gun ownership or illegal?

The fact is that law abiding firearms owners do not contribute to the high gun murder numbers therefore they should not have their right to own a firearm curbed.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Can buy all the cars you like if you have the money. But you can't actually drive any of them without a license. So why not somethin gsimilar for firearms ownership? Wanna own a weapon fine, but you have to demonstrate basic competancy first. Safe handling, disassembly and cleaning, basic marksmenship.

but you can't actually drive any of them without a license

actually you can on private property and certain township roads

but on face value

about one in five fatal crashes involves at least one driver who is not licensed

Two points:
Driving a car is not a Constitutionally guaranteed right.
The driver's test primarily addresses knowledge of the law.

 

[gallantwarrior]

As soon as we allow IQ tests or citizenship tests for voting.

Beat me to it...

So government should only represent & protect smart people? Enslave, imprison, tax or kill all the dumb ones, eh?

No one is prevented from educating themselves except those who are too lazy and irresponsible to do so.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Pezz -

Choose a western country.

Find their rate of death by gun shot wound.

Find their rate of gun ownership.

Compare those with the US.

There's your answer.

This also fails as a false comparison fallacy. One cannot compare the United States to other countries, where the former has a Second Amendment. Such a licensing requirement would manifest as an undue burden on the Second Amendment right

 

[Roadrunner]

Pezz -

Choose a western country.

Find their rate of death by gun shot wound.

Find their rate of gun ownership.

Compare those with the US.

There's your answer.

This also fails as a false comparison fallacy. One cannot compare the United States to other countries, where the former has a Second Amendment. Such a licensing requirement would manifest as an undue burden on the Second Amendment right

Can't compare the US to countries that do not have a minority perpetually fed the lie that "the man" still keeps them down.

 

[Ellipsis]

Pezz -

Choose a western country.

Find their rate of death by gun shot wound.

Find their rate of gun ownership.

Compare those with the US.

There's your answer.

Right.....

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence ( 2013 )

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  • FBI — Uniform Crime Reports

• Statistical publications | Home Office

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?

A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.

Din B. Kates* and Gary Mauser**


The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.


The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates

In Washington, the best defense is self-defense

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES


More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.


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Few who lived in Washington during the 1970s can forget the upswing in crime that started right after the ban was originally passed. In the five years before the 1977 ban, the murder rate fell from 37 to 27 murders per 100,000. In the five years after the gun ban went into effect, the murder rate rose back up to 35. One fact is particularly hard to ignore: D.C.'s murder rate fluctuated after 1976 but only once fell below what it was in 1976 before the ban. That aberration happened years later, in 1985.


This correlation between the D.C. gun ban and diminished safety was not a coincidence. Look at the Windy City. Immediately after Chicago banned handguns in 1982, the murder rate, which had been falling almost continually for a decade, started to rise. Chicago's murder rate rose relative to other large cities as well. The phenomenon of higher murder rates after gun bans are passed is not just limited to the United States. Every single time a country has passed a gun ban, its murder rate soared.


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• Australia: More Violent Crime Despite Gun Ban
  
• More children die from accidental drowning’s or burns than from gun accidents.
  
• Two Little Square Black Dogs: I do not have a gun... I am not a murderer
  
• UK is violent crime capital of Europe - Telegraph[/B]
  
• The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
  
• England's Homicide Rate
  
• England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study

.....I don't see how any of this supports your argument, though.

 

[Ellipsis]

Pezz -

Choose a western country.

Find their rate of death by gun shot wound.

Find their rate of gun ownership.

Compare those with the US.

There's your answer.

In the UK, for example, you can only own certan shotguns and rifles, but all the gun crime is comitted with handguns.

"Rate of gun ownership" is not a viable term since the legal owners don't have the same kinds of guns which are used in crime.

Also, "death by gunshot wound" may be from a policeman legaly using lethal force. You didn't distinguish between a crime and a legal act. We want certain kinds of gun deaths because killing a burgler or rapist is the whole point of carrying a gun in the first place.