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Future Democrat Congressman on the way. Suing to wear a costume at graduation? FFS
Student sues to wear Mexican and American flag sash at high school graduation
A federal judge is weighing whether to let a high school student wear a Mexican and American flag sash at her graduation this weekend in Coloradowww.independent.co.uk
No wonder there are so many lawyers in America. The school is being very mean in this instance.
None.What exactly would be the harm in letting them wear what they want?
Sure. I don't mind Bingos signaling their bigotry to potential colleges and employers.including KKK hoods, Nazi regalia?
The harm is to her freedom of expression. If it's under her clothing then she isn't being allowed to express herself in the way she desires.None.
What exactly would be the harm in that student wearing her sash under her gown for the walk across the stage?
Why?It should be one way or another. Either everyone is required to wear the cap and gown with nothing adorning it, or anyone can put anything they want on or over their cap and gown.
Simply respecting every students right to express themselves how they see fit respects that neutrality. Any requirement or mandate isn't neutrality, it's enforcing the sentiment of the people making the rules on everyone else.The first amendment requires such rules to be content neutral.
It sounds like you say that everyone should be able to wear whatever they want at graduation. But first you ask why it should be that way.The harm is to her freedom of expression. If it's under her clothing then she isn't being allowed to express herself in the way she desires.
Why?
Simply respecting every students right to express themselves how they see fit respects that neutrality. Any requirement or mandate isn't neutrality, it's enforcing the sentiment of the people making the rules on everyone else.
Who cares if people complain? Is that the standard? People are now complaining about this rule aren't they?It sounds like you say that everyone should be able to wear whatever they want at graduation. But first you ask why it should be that way.
Here is the problem with not enforcing the sentiment of the people making the rules: The people making the rules are paid by taxpayers to run a public high school, including graduation ceremonies. Open the dress code to any and all expression and you will have people wearing offensive things like Nazi emblems, Racist slogans, obscene words, and pornographic pictures. The taxpayers will complain and they will be right to.
Agree to disagree. I don't think it's the school's job to cover up a students bigotry. I think it's job to address it and educate about it.Schools are responsible for the behavior of their students until the ceremony is over and they drive off into the sunset. They are also responsible for protecting the students from harrassment such as being named Ruiz, and walking behind a guy named Rogers who has a t-shirt that says "Kill All Mexicans" over his robe. As far as letting the bingos expose themselves to future employers, the school also has an obligation to protect the students from making dumb mistakes like that.
You counsel coddling graduating seniors. I get it.Let them express themselves after they leave the parking lot with diploma in hand. Then the school staff cannot be held responsible.
That's been the standard in the U.S. since the 1st Amendment was ratified. People redress their government. If government officials ignore them, they will lose their jobs and not be government officials any more. Remember that people only have rights that society agrees to bestow on them, so that girl has no right to her Mexican Flag-American Flag sash over her robe.Who cares if people complain? Is that the standard? People are now complaining about this rule aren't they?
I don't think they should have to see them on school grounds as a condition of participating in the graduation ceremony.I think people graduating Highschool should be able to handle seeing offensive messages. Don't you?
It's too late for that on graduation day.Agree to disagree. I don't think it's the school's job to cover up a students bigotry. I think it's job to address it and educate about it.
Until they are off the school grounds, absolutely. I don't support supporting them with welfare for the rest of their lives after graduation.You counsel coddling graduating seniors. I get it.
We aren't debating whether or not she has the right, we're debating why she doesn't have the right and your answer appears to be an appeal to tradition.That's been the standard in the U.S. since the 1st Amendment was ratified. People redress their government. If government officials ignore them, they will lose their jobs and not be government officials any more. Remember that people only have rights that society agrees to bestow on them, so that girl has no right to her Mexican Flag-American Flag sash over her robe.
So to you the 1st Amendment is about the government banning images it doesn't want people to see under the guise of protecting them?I don't think they should have to see them on school grounds as a condition of participating in the graduation ceremony.
And yours is everywhere as always.It's too late for that on graduation day.
Until they are off the school grounds, absolutely. I don't support supporting them with welfare for the rest of their lives after graduation.
I'll say this: your position is consistent, for once.
If one is free speech, then all need to be free speech, I’m good with it however it does open up a Pandora’s box.Her heritage is obviously important to her. Why deny her that ?
Its mental that you compare a hero like Che with klan trash. Truly pitiful.
She doesn't have the right to wear her sash over her graduation robe because the school and district are running the ceremony and do have the right to set a dress code, so long as it is content neutral.We aren't debating whether or not she has the right, we're debating why she doesn't have the right and your answer appears to be an appeal to tradition.
No, the image of that sash is "banned," and neither are racist slogans, and porn. The sash is not welcome at a specific place during an event being run by district.So to you the 1st Amendment is about the government banning images it doesn't want people to see under the guise of protecting them?
So an appeal to authority. OK. Just so long as we're clear what fallacy your reason rests on.She doesn't have the right to wear her sash over her graduation robe because the school and district are running the ceremony and do have the right to set a dress code, so long as it is content neutral.
So it is banned. Don't be a coward about it. If you're in favor of the government banning certain speech it thinks are too much for people to handle just be man enough to admit it. This pussy posture where you say it but then contradict yourself right after is like Budlight and Target trying to promote gay pride and them immediately caving to right wing outrage. It's two stupid moves when you could just make one uncomfortable one.No, the image of that sash is "banned," and neither are racist slogans, and porn. The sash is not welcome at a specific place during an event being run by district.
More appeals to authority do not rationalize your previous appeals to authority you dumb Simp.I'm guessing the district also does not allow open carry at the ceremony. The 2nd Amendment doesn't mean those rules cannot be enforced, because the stage and the graduate seating area of a graduation ceremony are not open to the public, people are allowed there by invitation.
The question is why you think they shouldn't be and it seems to boil down to, because an authority said so. Good reasoning there guy.People with political sashes or gunbelts over their robes are not invited to that particular ceremony.
That is not an appeal to authority. You need to learn English better so you stop embarassing yourself.So an appeal to authority. OK. Just so long as we're clear what fallacy your reason rests on.
It is an appeal to authority. You crying about me exposing it doesn't change that fact.That is not an appeal to authority. You need to learn English better so you stop embarassing yourself.
Here, try this:It is an appeal to authority. You crying about me exposing it doesn't change that fact.
Yes. Try a red herring that will solve your fallacy problem.Here, try this:
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But the school sets down the rules for school and how to dress for graduation. Two days ago in my area they would not let 30 students into the graduation because they did not wear the shoes set down in the dress code. Public school.Disagree.
It’s a matter of freedom of expression – there’s nothing to warrant government preempting that freedom of expression.
she's 100% American, and 100% Mexican?
