Stephen Crowder, Top 5 AR-15 myths...banning them is a Trojan Horse...

[WinterBorn]

Armalite designated their new version of the Stoner design as the AR-15. It was a selective fire rifle, as the military specifications required. Armalite then sold the design to Colt, who produced the semi-auto version and designated it the AR-15. The two rifles are different enough to not be the same gun. The simple difference of one being capable of full auto fire, and the other is not, is difference enough.

The AR-15 being discussed is NOT capable of full-auto. That was a basic requirement of the military. So the AR-15, in this context, has never been used in a war.

There is more that makes that platform better suited for combat than auto fire. An M16 used in semi mode still a military assault weapon, and essentially identical to an AR15.

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

 

[hunarcy]

Armalite designated their new version of the Stoner design as the AR-15. It was a selective fire rifle, as the military specifications required. Armalite then sold the design to Colt, who produced the semi-auto version and designated it the AR-15. The two rifles are different enough to not be the same gun. The simple difference of one being capable of full auto fire, and the other is not, is difference enough.

The AR-15 being discussed is NOT capable of full-auto. That was a basic requirement of the military. So the AR-15, in this context, has never been used in a war.

There is more that makes that platform better suited for combat than auto fire. An M16 used in semi mode still a military assault weapon, and essentially identical to an AR15.

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Then Bullfrog needs to be on ignore with the other ignorant trolls.

 

[jon_berzerk]

There is more that makes that platform better suited for combat than auto fire. An M16 used in semi mode still a military assault weapon, and essentially identical to an AR15.

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Then Bullfrog needs to be on ignore with the other ignorant trolls.

willful ignorance that is

 

[BULLDOG]

There is more that makes that platform better suited for combat than auto fire. An M16 used in semi mode still a military assault weapon, and essentially identical to an AR15.

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

Here's an AR15 doing 600 rpm with a bump stock. The gun is capable of exactly the same as an M16. 750 to 900.

 

[BULLDOG]

Armalite designated their new version of the Stoner design as the AR-15. It was a selective fire rifle, as the military specifications required. Armalite then sold the design to Colt, who produced the semi-auto version and designated it the AR-15. The two rifles are different enough to not be the same gun. The simple difference of one being capable of full auto fire, and the other is not, is difference enough.

The AR-15 being discussed is NOT capable of full-auto. That was a basic requirement of the military. So the AR-15, in this context, has never been used in a war.

There is more that makes that platform better suited for combat than auto fire. An M16 used in semi mode still a military assault weapon, and essentially identical to an AR15.

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Not surprising that you would misrepresent what I said. You are a gun nut after all.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not really. Go back and read. You said the only thing an AR 15 can do is kill people. Fine, they was the idea when Eugene Stoner designed it. What you Fail to recognize is that ever since the us has been a country civilians typically used the exact same gun. For excample, the tommy gun not to mention the old bolt action Springfield’s, the M1 Garand the M1A (M15) the Krag Jurgenson the trap door Springfield conversion, not to mention a shit ton of hand guns and so on. You kind of changed what your implication was it seems which is that the AR15 is only a people killer.

You're adding words to my remarks. I said killing is the reason that gun was designed. Misrepresenting my words is the same as lying. Quit it.

Wasn’t trying to put words In your mouth. My bad, that shit is worse then lying.Point is, guns are obviously used solely for killing. And from the fist gun ever made to what we have now, every single gun ever made was designed to kill other people.


EVEN the AR15. But it is no more deadly then a Remington 700 in any caliber. It just ain’t.

Any gun will kill. Some are just more suited to killing as many as possible in as short a time as possible than others. Our military decided that the AR15/M16 format was the most effective for that. I trust their judgement.

Lie....the AR-15 is not a military weapon.....keep lying, we will keep correcting you....the AR-15 is a semi automatic, civilian and police rifle.....it was not a military weapon and has not been used in a war.....

The same is not true of these weapons...

The 6 shot revolver.....war weapon.

Lever action rifle....war weapon.

Bolt action rifle, current weapon of war.

Pump action shotgun....current weapon of war.

AR-15.....civiliain and police rifle, not a weapon of war.

Th AR15 was designed for the military, and slightly modified for civilian sales. As a gun nut, you should know that.

That is a flat out lie, as you well know.

 

[thanatos144]

Crowder nails it....

He demonstrates the rate of fire with a .357 lever action rifle.....he shows a semi auto shotgun....
.
The anti gunners want them too....

Charles Whitman didn't have an AR-15. He used an M-1 carbine. People give the AR-15 too much credit.

So why did the US military pick the fully auto version of the AR to be their goto combat weapon? The AR and the M16 are identical other than the full auto capability. ARs weren't even built until the M16 patent ran out.

AR-15 was the prototype to the M-16. The AR-15 didn't have a forward assist assembly and the Army wouldn't buy it. A forward assist assembly was added, the Army bought it and the AR-15 was re-designated M-16 because Army weapons have an M preceding the number. I was issued one of the first M-16s in July 1965.

Bottom line, the AR15 is the same design as an M16 with the multiple fire disabled. The US military chose that design as it's goto combat weapon. If it's just like any other semiauto, why did the military pick that particular design over any other simiauto?

Dummy a M-16 has full auto capabilities a AR-15 does not. You really think the way it looks makes a difference dont you? LMAO

 

[Crixus]

Samantics. Pointless arguments all. Just remember, when Trump signed off on Clinton crime bill 2.0 and does amnesty I’ll have a shit ton of 30 round mags at only a slightly inflated price.

 

[Hossfly]

You're adding words to my remarks. I said killing is the reason that gun was designed. Misrepresenting my words is the same as lying. Quit it.

Wasn’t trying to put words In your mouth. My bad, that shit is worse then lying.Point is, guns are obviously used solely for killing. And from the fist gun ever made to what we have now, every single gun ever made was designed to kill other people.


EVEN the AR15. But it is no more deadly then a Remington 700 in any caliber. It just ain’t.

Any gun will kill. Some are just more suited to killing as many as possible in as short a time as possible than others. Our military decided that the AR15/M16 format was the most effective for that. I trust their judgement.

Lie....the AR-15 is not a military weapon.....keep lying, we will keep correcting you....the AR-15 is a semi automatic, civilian and police rifle.....it was not a military weapon and has not been used in a war.....

The same is not true of these weapons...

The 6 shot revolver.....war weapon.

Lever action rifle....war weapon.

Bolt action rifle, current weapon of war.

Pump action shotgun....current weapon of war.

AR-15.....civiliain and police rifle, not a weapon of war.

Th AR15 was designed for the military, and slightly modified for civilian sales. As a gun nut, you should know that.

That is a flat out lie, as you well know.

My post #496 should have cleared it up for Bulldog.

 

[2aguy]

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

Here's an AR15 doing 600 rpm with a bump stock. The gun is capable of exactly the same as an M16. 750 to 900.

Boy...you really are stupid...one magazine...and then you multiplied......it won't fire 600 rounds before it malfunctions...moron, so it won't fire 600 rounds per minute...you are such a doofus...

With 30 round magazines, it would require 20 magazine changes to do 600 rounds......at 2-3 seconds a change you are not even getting close to the 600 rounds in an actual, real world setting....if you can even do it in a controlled environment.....you are such a doofus....

 

[Crixus]

Wasn’t trying to put words In your mouth. My bad, that shit is worse then lying.Point is, guns are obviously used solely for killing. And from the fist gun ever made to what we have now, every single gun ever made was designed to kill other people.


EVEN the AR15. But it is no more deadly then a Remington 700 in any caliber. It just ain’t.

Any gun will kill. Some are just more suited to killing as many as possible in as short a time as possible than others. Our military decided that the AR15/M16 format was the most effective for that. I trust their judgement.

Lie....the AR-15 is not a military weapon.....keep lying, we will keep correcting you....the AR-15 is a semi automatic, civilian and police rifle.....it was not a military weapon and has not been used in a war.....

The same is not true of these weapons...

The 6 shot revolver.....war weapon.

Lever action rifle....war weapon.

Bolt action rifle, current weapon of war.

Pump action shotgun....current weapon of war.

AR-15.....civiliain and police rifle, not a weapon of war.

Th AR15 was designed for the military, and slightly modified for civilian sales. As a gun nut, you should know that.

That is a flat out lie, as you well know.

My post #496 should have cleared it up for Bulldog.

Sadly, I’m thinking it don’t matter. Hopefully voters get it. I hope they do.

 

[thanatos144]

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

Here's an AR15 doing 600 rpm with a bump stock. The gun is capable of exactly the same as an M16. 750 to 900.

Boy...you really are stupid...one magazine...and then you multiplied......it won't fire 600 rounds before it malfunctions...moron, so it won't fire 600 rounds per minute...you are such a doofus...

Wow how fast is a finger that can shoot ten rounds per second 60 times in a row? LMAO I am sure he would be a ladies man to no end.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nothing gives me a bigger smile than when you PUTIN enablers call those on the left commies and then Stalinists in the space of two short sentences.

Good point. It was really shameful the way we colluded with the Kremlin in cooking up that Dossier in an attempt to rig the election, the way we rigged our primary. Then the way we used the DOJ and the FBI to commit treason by spying on the opposition campaign. Then the way we were so arrogant that we didn't even cover our tracks, so certain were we that the fix was in and it was "in the bag."

You Stalinists sure are smart....

Uncensored and 2aguy dine in a Parallel Universe

You really are dumb as a fucking brick.

 

[Crixus]

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

Here's an AR15 doing 600 rpm with a bump stock. The gun is capable of exactly the same as an M16. 750 to 900.

Boy...you really are stupid...one magazine...and then you multiplied......it won't fire 600 rounds before it malfunctions...moron, so it won't fire 600 rounds per minute...you are such a doofus...

Wow how fast is a finger that can shoot ten rounds per second 60 times in a row? LMAO I am sure he would be a ladies man to no end.

Only if he could do it with his tongue.

 

[Muhammed]

How many guys are going to try to rape a girl who is carrying an AR-15?

 

[BULLDOG]

There is more that makes that platform better suited for combat than auto fire. An M16 used in semi mode still a military assault weapon, and essentially identical to an AR15.

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

You'll note that the claim of 900rpm is accredited to the bump stock only. The firing mechanism has not been changed in any way. The gun is capable of that rate of fire from the factory.
http://www.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/why-not-arm-all-teachers.html

 

[thanatos144]

But the fact that the M16 CAN fire full auto makes it a different rifle. Period. When Eugene Stoner designed the rifle for military use, it was designed as a selective fire rifle. Producing one, even if identical in every other way, that is only capable of semi-auto fire makes it a different rifle.

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

You'll note that the claim of 900rpm is accredited to the bump stock only. The firing mechanism has not been changed in any way. The gun is capable of that rate of fire from the factory.
http://www.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/why-not-arm-all-teachers.html
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Amazing seeing as the picture is showing a rifle without a fucking bump stock on it.... Are you really that gullible?

 

[Hossfly]

How many guys are going to try to rape a girl who is carrying an AR-15?

Probably none.

 

[Hossfly]

How many guys are going to try to rape a girl who is carrying an AR-15?

Probably none.

Especially if she's in the IDF.

 

[BULLDOG]

Is a M16 less of a weapon in semi mode? Only an idiot would only use auto mode and run out of ammo that quickly.

All Semi Auto weapons function the same way as the AR-15 which is why you are so desperate to establish the precedent of banning AR-15s.....if you can ban the AR-15 for how it fires......there is no argument against banning all other semi auto weapons.....your dream come true...........

And yet the Supreme Court protects these weapons with decision after decision........and you guys ignore them every single time...

No no Bullfrog has told us that the AR 15 can fire 45 rounds per minute and that if you did that with any other commercially available .223 the barrel would melt so that's why the AR 15 is the most dangerous rifle ever

Who was it who claimed the AR could fire 800 rounds a minute? That was one huge laugh in these recent threads.

Here's an AR15 doing 600 rpm with a bump stock. The gun is capable of exactly the same as an M16. 750 to 900.

Boy...you really are stupid...one magazine...and then you multiplied......it won't fire 600 rounds before it malfunctions...moron, so it won't fire 600 rounds per minute...you are such a doofus...

With 30 round magazines, it would require 20 magazine changes to do 600 rounds......at 2-3 seconds a change you are not even getting close to the 600 rounds in an actual, real world setting....if you can even do it in a controlled environment.....you are such a doofus....

Yes.That's how rate of fire works.