Statue Removals Etc. - A List

[JoeB131]

The only public display of Bradley Manning should be a hanging corpse.

Funny, I have the same view about Lee.

Nobody died because of what Manning did.

Lots of people died because of what Lee did.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The only public display of Bradley Manning should be a hanging corpse.

Funny, I have the same view about Lee.

Nobody died because of what Manning did.

Lots of people died because of what Lee did.

Yet the government decided that he was not to be prosecuted.

Bradley Manning went to jail, Lee did not.

 

[Bonzi]

FDR knowingly put a Klansman on SCOTUS, when do we take down everything FDR?

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[JoeB131]

Yet the government decided that he was not to be prosecuted.

Bradley Manning went to jail, Lee did not.

Now you are arguing legal technicalities, not moral ones.

Both Lee and Manning broke their oaths to defend the United States and obey the orders of their president. So by any objective standard,t hey were both traitors.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Back on topic.

Big doings in Dallas. Its quite inspiring.

"Now is the time to do what is right in the city of Dallas. Now is the time to bring these monuments down,"


Groups gather for anti-white supremacy rally in Dallas

 

[Marion Morrison]

Yet the government decided that he was not to be prosecuted.

Bradley Manning went to jail, Lee did not.

Now you are arguing legal technicalities, not moral ones.

Both Lee and Manning broke their oaths to defend the United States and obey the orders of their president. So by any objective standard,t hey were both traitors.

Acts 5:29

I'm sure you've never watched Gods and Generals.

 

[JoeB131]

FDR knowingly put a Klansman on SCOTUS, when do we take down everything FDR?

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so you are basically conceding that the Confederate Traitors don't deserve statues, but want to knock down other statues for dubious reasons.

Here's the thing. As Malcolm Reynolds said on the show Firefly, "It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another."

The thing is, most of the guys on the list did do good things that merit statues.

Nathan Bedford Forest had no such redeeming qualities. Neither did Robert E. Lee, for that matter.

 

[Muhammed]

How does this differ from ISIS desecrating statues that they don't like?

ISIS doesn't like any statues. They're equal opportunity statue destroyers.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm sure you've never watched Gods and Generals.

No, it was such an awful and tedious movie to be unwatchable. it got a whopping 8% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Also, let's look at your bible quote you gave...

But Peter and the apostles answered, “aWe must obey God rather than men."

Of course, there is no God. "God" is whatever voice in your head tells you to do whatever crazy thing you want to do. You'll find some nut who'll kill his whole family because God told him to.

Okay, so let's look at that. "God" told Chelsea Manning that the slaughter of civilians in Iraq was something the American people needed to know about.... so he broke his oath and leaked it.

Sounds like a guy who deserves a statue more than Robert E. Lee.

 

[cnm]

"On Thursday, May 31, 1861, the Norfolk Argus reported, "On Monday the Federal troops marched into Hampton."

Does April come before May?

 

[Marion Morrison]

"On Thursday, May 31, 1861, the Norfolk Argus reported, "On Monday the Federal troops marched into Hampton."

Does April come before May?

All the time.

 

[Marion Morrison]

As always, seriously, without exception, you are wrong.

Yes, Lee led the Virginia army against Northern invaders. Virginia was invaded before Lee joined the war effort, and his loyalty was to Virginia first and foremost. If the Union army had taken a different path south, Lee would never have been involved in the Civil War.

Virginia was in illegal rebellion. His duty as an army officer was to serve the union, not his state.

Lee was a traitor. You don't give traitors a statue because they felt they were justified.

Why not a statue to the Rosenbergs? They felt that the US couldn't be trusted with a monopoly on nukes because we'd probably abuse it.

Why not a statue to Snowden? Or Chelsea Manning? They thought they were right?

Shit, why not put up statues to Benedict Arnold? He won the battle at Saratoga!

What illegal rebellion in Virginia?

There was no law against secession in 1861.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Slavery does not define what America is.

But celebrating and glorifying in statue those who led the fight to preserve and extend slavery defines the South.

You are wrong (obviously)
It is important to remember ALL of history. History is what makes us...us. Every single day of your life, as will be every future day in your life - you are at that moment a subtotal of every decision you have made. Including every mistake.
It is the same for a nation. Today, we are a subtotal of every policy, act and amendment, every war and every battle. People are NOT judged by the bad things that happen to them, they are judged by how they handled them.
Same as a nation. A nations greatest accomplishments are always the stories of those who fought to right a wrong and succeeded. And these moments should never be forgot.

 

[JoeB131]

What illegal rebellion in Virginia?

There was no law against secession in 1861.

Sorry, when Virginia joined the union, it agreed not to secede...

Lee was a traitor. deal with it.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

How does this differ from ISIS desecrating statues that they don't like?

The statues desecrated by ISIS, whatever they were, weren't put up by ISIS; the democratically elected authority decided the statue's fate; the statue was put in storage. Three differences at least that I can see.

If this is truly the will of the people then put it up for a referendum.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

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What illegal rebellion in Virginia?

There was no law against secession in 1861.

Sorry, when Virginia joined the union, it agreed not to secede...

Lee was a traitor. deal with it.

So then Trump should have the leaders of the California secessionist movement executed for treason.

 

[JoeB131]

So then Trump should have the leaders of the California secessionist movement executed for treason.

Again, since Trump isn't a legitimate president, probably not.

That said, if CA actually did try it by military means, we'd expect the same reaction.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

FDR knowingly put a Klansman on SCOTUS, when do we take down everything FDR?

FDR also wouldn't agree to outlaw hanging blacks.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

They are taking down statues of Democats. Lol

 

[cnm]

A nations greatest accomplishments are always the stories of those who fought to right a wrong and succeeded. And these moments should never be forgot.

By glorifying those who led the wrong?