Starting to lean left

[Oddball]

They need someone who has quit...who knows the struggles and knows the stages of what is upcoming: having done them themselves. They need a successful mentor. Addicts need former addicts to lead the way and to lean on.

And if they cannot afford it; they need a group that will help and support them for free.

If Reiki and hypnosis were all that then medical professionals would refer addicts to hypnosis ratherr than rehab.

But that would be malpractice
.
You aiin't all that. Not even a bag o' chips.

Regards from Rosie

Oh, yeah?...I quit, too...Smoking & dipping at the same time.

The only way I did it was by finding things I valued more than the nicotine buzz.

And just because the word "value" is being used here, it doesn't mean that those who help others to overcome their challenges for "free" don't get something out of it...If they didn't they wouldn't be doing what they do....That's how values work.

Oh, and rehab is a vastly overrated way by which "medical professionals" make insane amounts in referral fees.....And it fails no less than 2/3 of the time....Speaking of malpractice.

It is much harder to reach out and help another than to merely tend your own quit. You have to jealously guard your own sobriety when helping another achieve tbeir's. Not botheriing means less relapse risk.

No it isn't...All it takes is to appeal to what your subject values more than the habit and the rest is duck soup.

But you do it because others did for you and the person trying to quit deserves the help. Just like you deserved the help given.

That is what paying it forward is. No funds need to be exchanged; training is not necessary.

Regards from Rosie

The only person who deserves help is the one who is willing to take control over and responsibility for their own life...People claiming to be on the effect end of the world need not apply...I don't work with helpless victims.

You want to rationalize giving away something that others find valuable with hairy-fairy self-congratulating notions like "paying forward", that's your bag....But don't pretend that it makes you a better person than the for-hire counselor...All that does is make you a snob.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Jesus. Niether misquoting, incorrectly attributing, nor misinterpretting is a "strawman," the righties' new fave retort, which makes me think it popular on Fox News or the Limbaugh radio show. I merely speculate.

Strawman is making up the person, from thin air. Ergo, made of straw, metaphorically speaking.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Nothing more comical than a leftist trying to "teach" others. As a 13 year old, you have yet to be introduced to the fallacies.

A straw man fallacy is an easily defeated argument that is not that posed by ones opponent.

Example;

John: Cars are a beneficial form of transportation.

Moonflower: You're wrong, oil spills harm water foul and other marine life.

The issue is that Moonflower addressed something John never posited. She created a straw man argument that she could defeat, but that was not what her opponent claimed.

Logical Fallacies

Example:

Some say (no one did, actually) Motherhood, Baseball, Hotdogs and Apple Pie are totally Communist!!! But they (folks made of straw, since they don't really exist) are wrong, and I'm here to tell you they're as American as me!!!

Thank you for your demonstration of your abysmal ignorance.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No, OWS was about a bunch of envious, covetous, loutish little know-nothing children, staging a months-long squat-in on private property....Doesn't get more self-indulgent and me-first than that.

Rosie is right in general. The destruction of civil liberties and a free society depends on changing the culture of America. As long as the nation was one of honor, which valued individual achievement and excellence, the revocation of liberty and establishment of authoritarianism was impossible. The left engaged in a culture war to end the values of America, replacing integrity and honor with dependance and obedience.

The basic message of Occupy Wall Street is "Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee." But underlying this is the rejection of ethics, values, and integrity.

When America lost the culture war, America was lost. What little liberty we retain is fleeting. A free society depends on honor, once the left succeeded in defining deviancy down, liberty was lost.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If Dudball wasn't such a hypocrite, he'd embrace his own notion of altruism.

Fact, not opinion.

If Rati wasn't such a fucktard


She wouldn't be Rati


True story.

 

[Koios]

Jesus. Niether misquoting, incorrectly attributing, nor misinterpretting is a "strawman," the righties' new fave retort, which makes me think it popular on Fox News or the Limbaugh radio show. I merely speculate.

Strawman is making up the person, from thin air. Ergo, made of straw, metaphorically speaking.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Nothing more comical than a leftist trying to "teach" others. As a 13 year old, you have yet to be introduced to the fallacies.

A straw man fallacy is a easily defeated argument that is not that posed by ones opponent.

Example;

John: Cars are a beneficial form of transportation.

Moonflower: Your wrong, oil spills harm water foul and other marine life.

The issue is that Moonflower addressed something John never posited. She created a straw man argument that she could defeat, but that was not what her opponent claimed.

Logical Fallacies

Example:

Some say (no one did, actually) Motherhood, Baseball, Hotdogs and Apple Pie are totally Communist!!! But they (folks made of straw, since they don't really exist) are wrong, and I'm here to tell you they're as American as me!!!

Thank you for your demonstration of your abysmal ignorance.

I think you're confusing informal fallacies, which too often are grouped under "straw man," and not the more specific X fallcious argument, spurrious correlation, etc.

It's simply overused, and wanders substantially from the classical strawman argument, i.e, "There are those who say your freedoms should be taken away, and if you elect me, I'll make it my mission to stop them from doing that."

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sometimes I let strangers bum ciggies from me. Am I being altruistic or evil?

You smoking is altruism in that you are looking to remove a bad influence from this world....

A car in a closed garage would be a lot faster, but both are altruistic....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Might want to get checked for an ear infection.

I had one a long time ago and could not stand up straight.

Ahem, that joke has already been used!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/265808-starting-to-lean-left-6.html#post6439875



I'll take a royalty payment in the form of rep....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your posts are so great! I wonder why you have 0 rep.. Hmmm

Only del is a more worthless poster than Mr. Shithead.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think you're confusing informal fallacies, which too often are grouped under "straw man," and not the more specific X fallcious argument, spurrious correlation, etc.

I think you're confusing "I just got my ass handed to me" with "I can bullshit my way out of this."

 

[del]

Your posts are so great! I wonder why you have 0 rep.. Hmmm

Only del is a more worthless poster than Mr. Shithead.

unscented can't quit it

 

[mal]

Your posts are so great! I wonder why you have 0 rep.. Hmmm

Only del is a more worthless poster than Mr. Shithead.

unscented can't quit it

My LegHumper is gone...



peace...

 

[Koios]

I think you're confusing informal fallacies, which too often are grouped under "straw man," and not the more specific X fallcious argument, spurrious correlation, etc.

I think you're confusing "I just got my ass handed to me" with "I can bullshit my way out of this."

Perhaps. Here's my peeve: Rush, or maybe Glenn, or whoever, has a new favorite characterization, and rest assured, it's poured out onto these forums, instantaneously and gratuitiously, to the point of tedium.

So when someone dares not quote verbatim, responding to the essence of what was said, out comes the numbskull, "STRAWMAN!!! When did I ever say that???" Thus is gets stupid, as opposed to how grownups respond, i.e., 'I believe you're reading into what I said; my intent was to suggest X.'

In short, just can the fucking cliches and communicate your thoughts, clarifying if need be any that may have been misread. Easy as pie.

 

[kwc57]

I think you're confusing informal fallacies, which too often are grouped under "straw man," and not the more specific X fallcious argument, spurrious correlation, etc.

I think you're confusing "I just got my ass handed to me" with "I can bullshit my way out of this."

Perhaps. Here's my peeve: Rush, or maybe Glenn, or whoever, has a new favorite characterization, and rest assured, it's poured out onto these forums, instantaneously and gratuitiously, to the point of tedium.

So when someone dares not quote verbatim, responding to the essence of what was said, out comes the numbskull, "STRAWMAN!!! When did I ever say that???" Thus is gets stupid, as opposed to how grownups respond, i.e., 'I believe you're reading into what I said; my intent was to suggest X.'

In short, just can the fucking cliches and communicate your thoughts, clarifying if need be any that may have been misread. Easy as pie.

Since you are new here, you might want to do a search on the term "strawman" here at USMB. I'd venture a guess that you'll find far more liberals using it over the last x number of years than the conservatives. Actually, it is probably about even. What I can tell you is this, it isn't a new buzzword coming from talk radio. In short, if you have as thin of skin as it appears, you might want to hang out in the General Discussion forum.

 

[boilermaker55]

You are right. Whoever this is they have a lousy job. Must be non-union. Those people take all the shit that drips from the corporate asses. And they feel they are duly compensated.
What a loser.

Pretty shitty job you got there if you can make more in government freebies than working.

 

[Koios]

I think you're confusing "I just got my ass handed to me" with "I can bullshit my way out of this."

Perhaps. Here's my peeve: Rush, or maybe Glenn, or whoever, has a new favorite characterization, and rest assured, it's poured out onto these forums, instantaneously and gratuitiously, to the point of tedium.

So when someone dares not quote verbatim, responding to the essence of what was said, out comes the numbskull, "STRAWMAN!!! When did I ever say that???" Thus is gets stupid, as opposed to how grownups respond, i.e., 'I believe you're reading into what I said; my intent was to suggest X.'

In short, just can the fucking cliches and communicate your thoughts, clarifying if need be any that may have been misread. Easy as pie.

Since you are new here, you might want to do a search on the term "strawman" here at USMB. I'd venture a guess that you'll find far more liberals using it over the last x number of years than the conservatives. Actually, it is probably about even. What I can tell you is this, it isn't a new buzzword coming from talk radio. In short, if you have as thin of skin as it appears, you might want to hang out in the General Discussion forum.

Good idea. BRB ...

 

[Si modo]

I think you're confusing informal fallacies, which too often are grouped under "straw man," and not the more specific X fallcious argument, spurrious correlation, etc.

I think you're confusing "I just got my ass handed to me" with "I can bullshit my way out of this."

Perhaps. Here's my peeve: Rush, or maybe Glenn, or whoever, has a new favorite characterization, and rest assured, it's poured out onto these forums, instantaneously and gratuitiously, to the point of tedium.

So when someone dares not quote verbatim, responding to the essence of what was said, out comes the numbskull, "STRAWMAN!!! When did I ever say that???" Thus is gets stupid, as opposed to how grownups respond, i.e., 'I believe you're reading into what I said; my intent was to suggest X.'

In short, just can the fucking cliches and communicate your thoughts, clarifying if need be any that may have been misread. Easy as pie.

Did you know that when Pol Pot says 2+2=4, it is still true?

The strawman logical fallacy existed long before any of those boogeymen were even born. Simply because they point out strawmen does not mean strawmen do not exist.

 

[Koios]

Where is began ...

10/31/2008 19:11
by Zoomie1980

10/27/2008 14:42
by Bass v 2.0

10/17/2008 11:12
by glockmail

10/12/2008 18:34
by xsited1

10/12/2008 0:07
by DiveCon

9/26/2008 17:36
by HoleInTheVoid

9/25/2008 11:29
by busara

8/11/2008 8:57
by editec

8/4/2008 8:06
by Shogun

7/4/2008 12:18
by GasolineBlues

5/11/2008 13:21
by Anguille

5/10/2008 15:42
by Ravi

4/10/2008 11:06
by Ravi

3/7/2008 17:08
by Larkinn

1/4/2008 9:55
by Waterrescuedude

11/20/2007 16:35
by RetiredGySgt

8/17/2007 21:22
by Ruby

11/15/2006 12:28
by OCA

10/17/2006 3:47
by glockmail

6/21/2006 10:39
by LOki

1/19/2006 19:50
by Annie

1/9/2006 8:36
by Annie

12/10/2005 1:25
by Powerman

10/24/2005 20:02
by LuvRPgrl

Once every coupla months ...

 

[Koios]

Nowadays ....


Today 11:56 AM
by Hollie

Today 08:26 AM
by Koios

11/29/2012 9:23
by BreezeWood

11/28/2012 5:15
by Harry Dresden

11/27/2012 22:57
by OKTexas

11/27/2012 19:59
by HUGGY

11/16/2012 9:39
by Jos

11/13/2012 12:15
by Avatar4321

11/13/2012 8:02
by Toro

11/9/2012 15:29
by Toro

10/28/2012 7:30
by GoneBezerk

10/18/2012 8:41
by bitterlyclingin

10/11/2012 14:10
by Vast LWC

10/10/2012 16:02
by Uncensored2008

10/10/2012 6:39
by CMike

10/6/2012 9:50
by AmyNation

10/5/2012 15:41
by NYcarbineer

10/4/2012 20:49
by Amelia

10/4/2012 9:50
by Plasmaball

9/26/2012 13:38
by LOki

9/25/2012 19:55
by Misty

9/23/2012 15:18
by Matthew

9/23/2012 7:46
by Dot Com

More frequent, by orders of magnitude. But as to: 'Is it used by Libs v Cons, ad nasseum?', I defer to you, kwc57, since as you've noted, I'm the noob.

Whadaya think?

 

[Si modo]

Where is began ...

10/31/2008 19:11
by Zoomie1980

10/27/2008 14:42
by Bass v 2.0

10/17/2008 11:12
by glockmail

10/12/2008 18:34
by xsited1

10/12/2008 0:07
by DiveCon

9/26/2008 17:36
by HoleInTheVoid

9/25/2008 11:29
by busara

8/11/2008 8:57
by editec

8/4/2008 8:06
by Shogun

7/4/2008 12:18
by GasolineBlues

5/11/2008 13:21
by Anguille

5/10/2008 15:42
by Ravi

4/10/2008 11:06
by Ravi

3/7/2008 17:08
by Larkinn

1/4/2008 9:55
by Waterrescuedude

11/20/2007 16:35
by RetiredGySgt

8/17/2007 21:22
by Ruby

11/15/2006 12:28
by OCA

10/17/2006 3:47
by glockmail

6/21/2006 10:39
by LOki

1/19/2006 19:50
by Annie

1/9/2006 8:36
by Annie

12/10/2005 1:25
by Powerman

10/24/2005 20:02
by LuvRPgrl

Once every coupla months ...

Yup, that looks about 50/50.

Now, what is your "issue" again?

 

[Koios]

Where is began ...

10/31/2008 19:11
by Zoomie1980

10/27/2008 14:42
by Bass v 2.0

10/17/2008 11:12
by glockmail

10/12/2008 18:34
by xsited1

10/12/2008 0:07
by DiveCon

9/26/2008 17:36
by HoleInTheVoid

9/25/2008 11:29
by busara

8/11/2008 8:57
by editec

8/4/2008 8:06
by Shogun

7/4/2008 12:18
by GasolineBlues

5/11/2008 13:21
by Anguille

5/10/2008 15:42
by Ravi

4/10/2008 11:06
by Ravi

3/7/2008 17:08
by Larkinn

1/4/2008 9:55
by Waterrescuedude

11/20/2007 16:35
by RetiredGySgt

8/17/2007 21:22
by Ruby

11/15/2006 12:28
by OCA

10/17/2006 3:47
by glockmail

6/21/2006 10:39
by LOki

1/19/2006 19:50
by Annie

1/9/2006 8:36
by Annie

12/10/2005 1:25
by Powerman

10/24/2005 20:02
by LuvRPgrl

Once every coupla months ...

Yup, that looks about 50/50.

Now, what is your "issue" again?

Cool. Which are which? If it's easier, just bold the Libs.

TIA,
-K