Speak Only For Yourself, McCain

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Values like INDEPENDENCE and Sovereignty , MAGA and America and Americans are the number one considerations in the world Forkup , American like me reject most everything that the conservatives like 'mccain' , bush's and 'dem' obamas , hilary have done for the last 40 - 50 years Forkup . [all forms of immigration and gun control being 2 examples Forkup]

You have been not just independent but able to exert tremendous influence on the rest of the world. Oil is traded in dollars, American businesses are some of the most important brands worldwide. Up to a point that a mortgage crisis in the US creates a GLOBAL recession. So what are you talking about??? American sovereignty is not being threatened by ANYONE. What are you talking about?? And if you read point one then you realize that the third point is ridiculous. So the only thing I can say is that you had what you claim are your values, and you are throwing it away, blindly following someone who's the anti-syntheses of Democratic values.

 

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McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .

I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

 

[pismoe]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------ whats the sense of having the supposedly finest , strongest military in the world if it can't be publicized as a big stick and used if needed Forkup ??

 

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McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------ whats the sense of having the supposedly finest , strongest military in the world if it can't be publicized as a big stick and used if needed Forkup ??

That big stick needs a strong economic base, that strong economic base requires trade, not just domestic but also international.

 

[pismoe]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .

I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

--------------------------------------------- we will see , how much do you think you will like things if you realign with 'russia' , china or 'mecca' Forkup .

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Their socialist bent cannot hold, and unless they take action immediately, the nations of the EU will be Islamist dominant with 15 years.

We've been successful at it for over 70 years. My standard of living is higher then most Americans. And unlike you I can compare since my wife is American. As for Muslims taking over. My country is one of the most secular societies in the world. Religion of any type has little or no influence in public life, so no Islam or any other religion for that matter won't get a foothold. None of this btw is an actual counterargument to my assertion that it's the US that's changing its values. It's a deflection and a pretty uninspiring one at that.

What naivete. Europe has not been socialist for 70 years.

Your society may now be secular, but once you are outnumbered ypu'll have no choice.

Depends on how you look at it. The first organised social reforms that focused on the working class, the precursors of the socialist parties were formed as early as 1813. The first socialist party was formed in 1885. They gradually got more and more rights for the workers including pensions, paid vacation, disability, universal suffrage etc, etc. Geschiedenis van de sociale wetgeving in België - Wikipedia. I put Universal suffrage as the start of what you call socialist bent. But for instance in 1921 Belgium started a monthly compensation to help with the raising of kids. Just to say the line is not only arbitrary but also has been proven as a resilient and stable way to have a country. Atm about 5 percent of my country is Muslim, 20000 people asked for asylum in 2017, not all of them are Muslim btw.Statistics - Belgium | Asylum Information Database Our Population is in excess of 11 million. So forgive me that I'm not panicking.
And I see you are still refusing to acknowledge that the US is waging war on Democratic values, not Europe.

It does not depend on "how I look at it." Once you're outnumbered, you're done. You natives are not punching out progeny. The "guests" are.

And certainly, I will not acknowledge fiction as reality.

So Trump isn't calling everything that doesn't fit in his narrative fake news?

No, just the fake news.

He isn't promoting the interests of Russia and China?

No, he is promoting American interests.

Republican voters wouldn't support Trump postponing the 2020 elections?

He cannot. Constitutionally, it would require an act of Congress.

Trump didn't call for a Muslim ban?

No, merely restrictions on certain countries.

Trump didn't break the Iran deal, the Paris accords, TTP?

The Iran deal was signed by neither the US nor Iran. The deal was between only the players and Obama.

Article 28 of the Paris Agreement enables parties to withdraw from the agreement after sending a withdrawal notification to the depositary. Formal notice will be given next year.

What values you feel the EU changed?

"You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them." After spending nearly a half century fighting Soviet Communism alongside the United States, Europe fell into "Democratic socialism" soon after the wall came down.

cause I just gave you five the US seems to have forgotten. religious freedom, freedom of the press,not supporting autocratic governments, a regular election cycle, not to mention the whole "my word is my bond thing."

That final statement makes no sense whatsoever. Whence comes your information?

 

[pismoe]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------ whats the sense of having the supposedly finest , strongest military in the world if it can't be publicized as a big stick and used if needed Forkup ??

That big stick needs a strong economic base, that strong economic base requires trade, not just domestic but also international.

------------------------------------- as The TRUMP always says --- we will see what happens Forkup .

 

[pismoe]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------ whats the sense of having the supposedly finest , strongest military in the world if it can't be publicized as a big stick and used if needed Forkup ??

That big stick needs a strong economic base, that strong economic base requires trade, not just domestic but also international.

---------------------------------------------------- USA will trade with you euros , just follow the TRUMP rules for fair trade Forkup .

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What is it with Progressives and their habitual proceeding from false assumptions?

They're a hiveminded subspecies; they think everyone works the same way

 

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McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .

I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

--------------------------------------------- we will see , how much do you think you will like things if you realign with 'russia' , china or 'mecca' Forkup .

None to much to be honest I have no illusions. The thing is atm being aligned to the US isn't exactly given us much either now is it? Unlike what you think being aligned to the US isn't been free of a prize. I gave you the 2008 crisis as an example. That little thing increased the public debt by 50 percent in Belgium, because we had to prop up our banks. We do it because the US is our historic ally and we think their values are the closest to ours from all the superpowers. That equation is changing.

 

[pismoe]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .

I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

--------------------------------------------- we will see , how much do you think you will like things if you realign with 'russia' , china or 'mecca' Forkup .

None to much to be honest I have no illusions. The thing is atm being aligned to the US isn't exactly given us much either now is it? Unlike what you think being aligned to the US isn't been free of a prize. I gave you the 2008 crisis as an example. That little thing increased the public debt by 50 percent in Belgium, because we had to prop up our banks. We do it because the US is our historic ally and we think their values are the closest to ours from all the superpowers. That equation is changing.

--------------------------------------- GOOD as the TRUMP made it so Forkup . As i said , you euros gave your lands over to 7th century savages , How smart can you guys be Forkup ??

 

[Geaux4it]

If we are being fucked over so badly in our trade deals how is it that we are 106 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in our country's history?

If we are being fucked over so badly in our trade deals how is it that there are 100 threads on this forum extolling the amazing economy we are now experiencing?

Because there is always room for improvement.

Its about principle

-Geaux

Like the principle of flying a flag of rebellion in the name of keeping slavery as an institution? You mean that kind of principle?

Non- sequitor

-Geaux

Sure it is. On the other hand citing principles when it's wildly recognized that slavery is about as immoral as it comes, yet you seem to glorify a symbol of it is relevant, because it does show questionable principles in you.

When I dive by a house flying that flag, I laugh to myself - "There's yet another ignorant bigoted racist POS".

Thanks for letting real Americans know where you assholes reside.

You should stop by and let them know how you feel about it. I'm sure they'll listen to your bigoted opinion

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

It is good to know that you are anti-free trade.

I am for equitable trade. What we have and have had for some time is not free trade.

I am anti-globalist.

70 years of "shared values" guarantees nothing. Europe in particular has changed, and we no longer share some values.

If we are being fucked over so badly in our trade deals how is it that we are 106 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in our country's history?

If we are being fucked over so badly in our trade deals how is it that there are 100 threads on this forum extolling the amazing economy we are now experiencing?

Because there is always room for improvement.

Its about principle

-Geaux

And yet when people like me suggest improvements anywhere else, we're told to fuck off to another country to find it. Funny that.

Maybe your definition of 'improvement' is off.

-Geaux

 

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My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .

I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

--------------------------------------------- we will see , how much do you think you will like things if you realign with 'russia' , china or 'mecca' Forkup .

None to much to be honest I have no illusions. The thing is atm being aligned to the US isn't exactly given us much either now is it? Unlike what you think being aligned to the US isn't been free of a prize. I gave you the 2008 crisis as an example. That little thing increased the public debt by 50 percent in Belgium, because we had to prop up our banks. We do it because the US is our historic ally and we think their values are the closest to ours from all the superpowers. That equation is changing.

--------------------------------------- GOOD as the TRUMP made it so Forkup . As i said , you euros gave your lands over to 7th century savages , How smart can you guys be Forkup ??

Again FIVE percent of my country has the ISLAMIC religion so when you say "gave over" what do you mean?

 

[pismoe]

its going to be MORE and i don't mind seeing it , you stand as a beacon or warning to the world with your muslims . And , no reason to import any of them Forkup .

 

[pismoe]

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .

I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

--------------------------------------------- we will see , how much do you think you will like things if you realign with 'russia' , china or 'mecca' Forkup .

None to much to be honest I have no illusions. The thing is atm being aligned to the US isn't exactly given us much either now is it? Unlike what you think being aligned to the US isn't been free of a prize. I gave you the 2008 crisis as an example. That little thing increased the public debt by 50 percent in Belgium, because we had to prop up our banks. We do it because the US is our historic ally and we think their values are the closest to ours from all the superpowers. That equation is changing.

--------------------------------------- GOOD as the TRUMP made it so Forkup . As i said , you euros gave your lands over to 7th century savages , How smart can you guys be Forkup ??

Again FIVE percent of my country has the ISLAMIC religion so when you say "gave over" what do you mean?

--------------------------------- WHAT country are you from . No matter i guess but if its 'euro' your Grandparents and forebears would be ashamed of YOU Forkup .

 

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I don't care how strong you think you are, without any friends you will be not just lonely but no longer able to be strong.

--------------------------------------------- we will see , how much do you think you will like things if you realign with 'russia' , china or 'mecca' Forkup .

None to much to be honest I have no illusions. The thing is atm being aligned to the US isn't exactly given us much either now is it? Unlike what you think being aligned to the US isn't been free of a prize. I gave you the 2008 crisis as an example. That little thing increased the public debt by 50 percent in Belgium, because we had to prop up our banks. We do it because the US is our historic ally and we think their values are the closest to ours from all the superpowers. That equation is changing.

--------------------------------------- GOOD as the TRUMP made it so Forkup . As i said , you euros gave your lands over to 7th century savages , How smart can you guys be Forkup ??

Again FIVE percent of my country has the ISLAMIC religion so when you say "gave over" what do you mean?

--------------------------------- WHAT country are you from . No matter i guess but if its 'euro' your Grandparents and forebears would be ashamed of YOU Forkup .

Really? You know what Pismoe? My grandfather was taken to Germany to be forced to work in the Krupp factories. He was 15 at the time. This happened because another guy who felt he could just take what he wanted just because he could, took over my country. He didn't talk about it at all, in fact my grandmother told me. He died about a decade ago, but I'd like to think he would be proud of the fact that I took the lessons of that time to heart and will fight your kind of worldview. A worldview were being the strongest gives you the right to dictate to those who are less strong.

 

[pismoe]

[chuckle] --- go ahead and fight , ok with me Forkup .

 

[pismoe]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

----------------------------------------------------- whats this thread about anyway , eh ?? [oh tariffs] yeah , go ahead and fight , i don't care . Fight those tariffs Forkup

 

[Darkwind]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

Well, seeing as the US is represented by two political parties, most people don't have anyone representing them, or speaking for them.

About time the US had some democracy, don't you think?

No. Democracy is the very worst form of government. It is even worse than a dictatorship, for it is a dictatorship of sorts.