Speak Only For Yourself, McCain

[forkup]

It is good to know that you are anti-free trade.

I am for equitable trade. What we have and have had for some time is not free trade.

I am anti-globalist.

70 years of "shared values" guarantees nothing. Europe in particular has changed, and we no longer share some values.

Europe has changed? Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I'd checked there is only one country that keeps on breaking agreements made and it's not Europe. Isn't it more likely that the country that's doing that is changing it's values? For instance on freedom of the press, religious freedom (Muslim ban), Immigration? For Gods sake trump openly favors autocratic regimes now, (Russia, China). At this point a poll is saying that Trump could postpone the 2020 election and still have the support of half the Republican voter base.Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election. What does that say about the state of values in the US today?

Their socialist bent cannot hold, and unless they take action immediately, the nations of the EU will be Islamist dominant with 15 years.

We've been successful at it for over 70 years. My standard of living is higher then most Americans. And unlike you I can compare since my wife is American. As for Muslims taking over. My country is one of the most secular societies in the world. Religion of any type has little or no influence in public life, so no Islam or any other religion for that matter won't get a foothold. None of this btw is an actual counterargument to my assertion that it's the US that's changing its values. It's a deflection and a pretty uninspiring one at that.

What naivete. Europe has not been socialist for 70 years.

Your society may now be secular, but once you are outnumbered ypu'll have no choice.

Depends on how you look at it. The first organised social reforms that focused on the working class, the precursors of the socialist parties were formed as early as 1813. The first socialist party was formed in 1885. They gradually got more and more rights for the workers including pensions, paid vacation, disability, universal suffrage etc, etc. Geschiedenis van de sociale wetgeving in België - Wikipedia. I put Universal suffrage as the start of what you call socialist bent. But for instance in 1921 Belgium started a monthly compensation to help with the raising of kids. Just to say the line is not only arbitrary but also has been proven as a resilient and stable way to have a country. Atm about 5 percent of my country is Muslim, 20000 people asked for asylum in 2017, not all of them are Muslim btw.Statistics - Belgium | Asylum Information Database Our Population is in excess of 11 million. So forgive me that I'm not panicking.
And I see you are still refusing to acknowledge that the US is waging war on Democratic values, not Europe.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

And who are you, exactly?

"I am Kinetta, The Great and Powerful!"

 

[forkup]

Wow McCain is a traitor holy crap. McCain does NOT speak for me. You people in AZ WTF do you agree with this back stabbing asshole?

McCain is a traitor because he doesn't agree with POTUS thanks for making the point that American values are shifting. Gone are the days of checks and balances, Judicial independence, free press and even Democracy itself. Everybody needs to bow down to the opinion of the great leader and his minions.

 

[BluesLegend]

McCain has sour grapes because he lost his bid to become president twice. He back stabbed president Bush for years and now he's back stabbing president Trump.

 

[BluesLegend]

Wow McCain is a traitor holy crap. McCain does NOT speak for me. You people in AZ WTF do you agree with this back stabbing asshole?

McCain is a traitor because he doesn't agree with POTUS thanks for making the point that American values are shifting. Gone are the days of checks and balances, Judicial independence, free press and even Democracy itself. Everybody needs to bow down to the opinion of the great leader and his minions.

McCain has attempted to undermine 3 U.S. presidents, Bush, Obama, and now Trump.

 

[forkup]

Wow McCain is a traitor holy crap. McCain does NOT speak for me. You people in AZ WTF do you agree with this back stabbing asshole?

McCain is a traitor because he doesn't agree with POTUS thanks for making the point that American values are shifting. Gone are the days of checks and balances, Judicial independence, free press and even Democracy itself. Everybody needs to bow down to the opinion of the great leader and his minions.

McCain has attempted to undermine 3 U.S. presidents, Bush, Obama, and now Trump.

Disagreeing with a sitting president is not being a traitor, at worst it's being an asshole. As a lawmaker something that McCain has been for decades it's part of the job description.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I am for equitable trade. What we have and have had for some time is not free trade.

I am anti-globalist.

70 years of "shared values" guarantees nothing. Europe in particular has changed, and we no longer share some values.

Europe has changed? Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I'd checked there is only one country that keeps on breaking agreements made and it's not Europe. Isn't it more likely that the country that's doing that is changing it's values? For instance on freedom of the press, religious freedom (Muslim ban), Immigration? For Gods sake trump openly favors autocratic regimes now, (Russia, China). At this point a poll is saying that Trump could postpone the 2020 election and still have the support of half the Republican voter base.Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election. What does that say about the state of values in the US today?

Their socialist bent cannot hold, and unless they take action immediately, the nations of the EU will be Islamist dominant with 15 years.

We've been successful at it for over 70 years. My standard of living is higher then most Americans. And unlike you I can compare since my wife is American. As for Muslims taking over. My country is one of the most secular societies in the world. Religion of any type has little or no influence in public life, so no Islam or any other religion for that matter won't get a foothold. None of this btw is an actual counterargument to my assertion that it's the US that's changing its values. It's a deflection and a pretty uninspiring one at that.

What naivete. Europe has not been socialist for 70 years.

Your society may now be secular, but once you are outnumbered ypu'll have no choice.

Depends on how you look at it. The first organised social reforms that focused on the working class, the precursors of the socialist parties were formed as early as 1813. The first socialist party was formed in 1885. They gradually got more and more rights for the workers including pensions, paid vacation, disability, universal suffrage etc, etc. Geschiedenis van de sociale wetgeving in België - Wikipedia. I put Universal suffrage as the start of what you call socialist bent. But for instance in 1921 Belgium started a monthly compensation to help with the raising of kids. Just to say the line is not only arbitrary but also has been proven as a resilient and stable way to have a country. Atm about 5 percent of my country is Muslim, 20000 people asked for asylum in 2017, not all of them are Muslim btw.Statistics - Belgium | Asylum Information Database Our Population is in excess of 11 million. So forgive me that I'm not panicking.
And I see you are still refusing to acknowledge that the US is waging war on Democratic values, not Europe.

It does not depend on "how I look at it." Once you're outnumbered, you're done. You natives are not punching out progeny. The "guests" are.

And certainly, I will not acknowledge fiction as reality.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What is it with Progressives and their habitual proceeding from false assumptions?

/——/ It’s called wishful thinking

 

[forkup]

Europe has changed? Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I'd checked there is only one country that keeps on breaking agreements made and it's not Europe. Isn't it more likely that the country that's doing that is changing it's values? For instance on freedom of the press, religious freedom (Muslim ban), Immigration? For Gods sake trump openly favors autocratic regimes now, (Russia, China). At this point a poll is saying that Trump could postpone the 2020 election and still have the support of half the Republican voter base.Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election. What does that say about the state of values in the US today?

Their socialist bent cannot hold, and unless they take action immediately, the nations of the EU will be Islamist dominant with 15 years.

We've been successful at it for over 70 years. My standard of living is higher then most Americans. And unlike you I can compare since my wife is American. As for Muslims taking over. My country is one of the most secular societies in the world. Religion of any type has little or no influence in public life, so no Islam or any other religion for that matter won't get a foothold. None of this btw is an actual counterargument to my assertion that it's the US that's changing its values. It's a deflection and a pretty uninspiring one at that.

What naivete. Europe has not been socialist for 70 years.

Your society may now be secular, but once you are outnumbered ypu'll have no choice.

Depends on how you look at it. The first organised social reforms that focused on the working class, the precursors of the socialist parties were formed as early as 1813. The first socialist party was formed in 1885. They gradually got more and more rights for the workers including pensions, paid vacation, disability, universal suffrage etc, etc. Geschiedenis van de sociale wetgeving in België - Wikipedia. I put Universal suffrage as the start of what you call socialist bent. But for instance in 1921 Belgium started a monthly compensation to help with the raising of kids. Just to say the line is not only arbitrary but also has been proven as a resilient and stable way to have a country. Atm about 5 percent of my country is Muslim, 20000 people asked for asylum in 2017, not all of them are Muslim btw.Statistics - Belgium | Asylum Information Database Our Population is in excess of 11 million. So forgive me that I'm not panicking.
And I see you are still refusing to acknowledge that the US is waging war on Democratic values, not Europe.

It does not depend on "how I look at it." Once you're outnumbered, you're done. You natives are not punching out progeny. The "guests" are.

And certainly, I will not acknowledge fiction as reality.

So Trump isn't calling everything that doesn't fit in his narrative fake news? He isn't promoting the interests of Russia and China? Republican voters wouldn't support Trump postponing the 2020 elections? Trump didn't call for a Muslim ban? Trump didn't break the Iran deal, the Paris accords, TTP?
What values you feel the EU changed? cause I just gave you five the US seems to have forgotten. religious freedom, freedom of the press,not openly supporting autocratic governments over the interest of your own and your allies interests, a regular election cycle, not to mention the whole "my word is my bond thing."

 

[RealDave]

Wow McCain is a traitor holy crap. McCain does NOT speak for me. You people in AZ WTF do you agree with this back stabbing asshole?

When the Trumpettes get riled up, they love attacking US veterans in supporting Captain Bone Spurs.

 

[rightwinger]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

 

[pismoe]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

It is good to know that you are anti-free trade.

I am for equitable trade. What we have and have had for some time is not free trade.

I am anti-globalist.

70 years of "shared values" guarantees nothing. Europe in particular has changed, and we no longer share some values.

Europe has changed? Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I'd checked there is only one country that keeps on breaking agreements made and it's not Europe. Isn't it more likely that the country that's doing that is changing it's values? For instance on freedom of the press (fake news), religious freedom (Muslim ban), Immigration? For Gods sake trump openly favors autocratic regimes now, (Russia, China). At this point a poll is saying that Trump could postpone the 2020 election and still have the support of half the Republican voter base.Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election. What does that say about the state of values in the US today?

-------------------------------------------------------- i think that the USA is just going back to American Values as we shake off 'republicans' and their so called , Bush , Mccain style fake Conservative values Forkup .

 

[BluesLegend]

Wow McCain is a traitor holy crap. McCain does NOT speak for me. You people in AZ WTF do you agree with this back stabbing asshole?

When the Trumpettes get riled up, they love attacking US veterans in supporting Captain Bone Spurs.

Why do you lie and make shit up?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

It is good to know that you are anti-free trade.

I am for equitable trade. What we have and have had for some time is not free trade.

I am anti-globalist.

70 years of "shared values" guarantees nothing. Europe in particular has changed, and we no longer share some values.

If we are being fucked over so badly in our trade deals how is it that we are 106 months into the 2nd longest period of economic expansion in our country's history?

If we are being fucked over so badly in our trade deals how is it that there are 100 threads on this forum extolling the amazing economy we are now experiencing?

Because there is always room for improvement.

Its about principle

-Geaux

And yet when people like me suggest improvements anywhere else, we're told to fuck off to another country to find it. Funny that.

 

[forkup]

Because you sure don't speak for me.

To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.
— John McCain

John McCain Tells Allies: Americans Stand With You Even If Trump Doesn't | HuffPost

It is good to know that you are anti-free trade.

I am for equitable trade. What we have and have had for some time is not free trade.

I am anti-globalist.

70 years of "shared values" guarantees nothing. Europe in particular has changed, and we no longer share some values.

Europe has changed? Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I'd checked there is only one country that keeps on breaking agreements made and it's not Europe. Isn't it more likely that the country that's doing that is changing it's values? For instance on freedom of the press (fake news), religious freedom (Muslim ban), Immigration? For Gods sake trump openly favors autocratic regimes now, (Russia, China). At this point a poll is saying that Trump could postpone the 2020 election and still have the support of half the Republican voter base.Poll: More than half of Republicans would support postponing 2020 election. What does that say about the state of values in the US today?

-------------------------------------------------------- i think that the USA is just going back to American Values as we shake off 'republicans' and their so called , Bush , Mccain style fake Conservative values Forkup .

What values are you refering to?

 

[edward37]

It is assumed that nut bags will continue to support trump.

Getting rid of that Trump swine that AH should be highest on Americas to do list

 

[pismoe]

Values like INDEPENDENCE and Sovereignty , MAGA and America and Americans are the number one considerations in the world Forkup , American like me reject most everything that the conservatives like 'mccain' , bush's and 'dem' obamas , hilary have done for the last 40 - 50 years Forkup . [all forms of immigration and gun control being 2 examples Forkup]

 

[pismoe]

plus Free and fair trade and tariffs depending on what Trump decides to do Forkup .

 

[forkup]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

 

[pismoe]

McCain is just sending a message to be patient

The craziness will stop

My fear is that he will do so much damage before it's changed that other countries are going to realign themselves because they don't trust the US. If history has proven one thing is that whenever you introduce instability in international relations bad things happen. I'm European and from were I'm sitting Europe has to serious look at how much The US is willing to be a partner to us. China for sure and probably Russia will see it as an opportunity. The power struggle this will create makes for a dangerous situation.

------------------------------------------------ GOOD , let them realign . A shakeup and dangerous situation will be good for the USA as we will have to handle it . Fecking euros let their lands be over run by 7th century savages . Go realign with 'mecca' Forkup .