Sowell: Obama Win Would Be Historic Tragedy

[Bass v 2.0]

No shortage of field hand Whites out here who recognize the same propensity in members of our own race, either, Bass.

This board is loaded with happy Whites who are happy house boys.

Mr. Bass agrees with you on this and those whom the rich prey on on the poor, under-privileged whites and fill their heads with fear and hate of non-whites. These people are essentially field slaves for the rich. Remember back in history before slavery in the US, both black and white indentured servants and labourers who worked the plantations of the rich rose up in unison against the rich planters who exploited them and what did those rich white planters do? They injected the notion of white superiority and gave the poor whites a little bit of land to make them think they were more privileged and better than those blacks but in reality they were still getting exploited. The same scenario is being played out today against Obama, the rightwinger nutjobs are smearing with him with lies about him being a Muslim[but if he was so what?], terrorist, Arab, making fear him of because of his name and the people the rightwing nutjobs target are those poor whites with not much education or knowledge of whats really going on in the world. Thats why it pays to read history and know one's self.

 

[dilloduck]

Mr. Bass agrees with you on this and those whom the rich prey on on the poor, under-privileged whites and fill their heads with fear and hate of non-whites. These people are essentially field slaves for the rich. Remember back in history before slavery in the US, both black and white indentured servants and labourers who worked the plantations of the rich rose up in unison against the rich planters who exploited them and what did those rich white planters do? They injected the notion of white superiority and gave the poor whites a little bit of land to make them think they were more privileged and better than those blacks but in reality they were still getting exploited. The same scenario is being played out today against Obama, the rightwinger nutjobs are smearing with him with lies about him being a Muslim[but if he was so what?], terrorist, Arab, making fear him of because of his name and the people the rightwing nutjobs target are those poor whites with not much education or knowledge of whats really going on in the world. Thats why it pays to read history and know one's self.

You really wanna drag out that "black power" avatar and make this more about race than it already is ?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

You really wanna drag out that "black power" avatar and make this more about race than it already is ?

The problem is that this really isn't about race, its about the rich and powerful using race as a way of keeping people from realising that it is the rich and powerful *CORRUPT* people that are the problem. The avatar is Mr. Bass' personal favourite, it symbolises being a rebel and standing up for what you believe no matter what anyone thinks.

 

[WhiteLion]

Gunny...you'd best get this off this site, amigo.

Disney is damned serious about protecting their claim of Winnie.

The winnie the poo cartoon came from a Hillary Clinton website lmao Im just the messenger amigo.... Obama Cartoons We Like

 

[WhiteLion]

What does church have to do with Obama's political decisions? John McCain has some really disturbing character traits that make him a dangerous person to be in office. Obama has none of the above character traits that make him a danger. Whether you disagree with his policy or not. Oh by the way, open up your knowledge basket, cause here it comes... Just because you have the middle name "Hussein," does not make you automatically a terrorist! Now go convey that to your little buddies!

The good ole Rev Wrights church... want me to post the video???

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The good ole Rev Wrights church... want me to post the video???

For the last damn time, there is nothing wrong with Trinity United Church of Christ, how many services have you been to and how many of its members do you know personally?

 

[Chris]

Thomas Sowell
Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, California Thomas Sowell | Home or Thomas Sowell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
had this to say to the public pryor to the upcoming elections....

By: Thomas Sowell
Some elections are routine, some are important, and some are historic. If Sen. John McCain wins this election, it probably will go down in history as routine. But if Sen. Barack Obama wins, it is more likely to be historic — and catastrophic.

Once the election is over, the glittering generalities of rhetoric and style will mean nothing. Everything will depend on performance in facing huge challenges, domestic and foreign.

Performance is where Obama has nothing to show for his political career, either in Illinois or in Washington.

Policies he proposes under the change banner are almost all policies that have been tried repeatedly in other countries — and failed repeatedly in other countries.

Politicians telling businesses how to operate? That's been tried in countries around the world, especially during the second half of the 20th century. It has failed so often and so badly that even socialist and communist governments were freeing up their markets by the end of the century.

The economies of China and India began to take off into high rates of growth when they got rid of precisely the kinds of policies that Obama is advocating for the United States under the magic mantra of change.

Putting restrictions on international trade in order to save jobs at home? That was tried here with the Hawley-Smoot tariff during the Great Depression.

Unemployment was 9 percent when that tariff was passed to save jobs, but unemployment went up instead of down and reached 25 percent before the decade was over.

Higher taxes to "spread the wealth around," as Obama puts it? The idea of redistributing wealth has turned into the reality of redistributing poverty, in countries where wealth has fled and a lack of incentives has stifled the production of new wealth.

Economic disasters, however, may pale by comparison with the catastrophe of Iran with nuclear weapons. Glib rhetoric about Iran’s being "a small country," as Obama called it, will be a bitter irony for Americans who will have to live in the shadow of a nuclear threat that cannot be deterred, as that of the Soviet Union could be, by the threat of a nuclear counterattack.

Suicidal fanatics cannot be deterred. If they are willing to die and we are not, then we are at their mercy — and they have no mercy. Moreover, once they get nuclear weapons, that situation cannot be reversed.

Is this the legacy we wish to leave our children and grandchildren, by voting on the basis of style and symbolism, rather than substance?

If Barack Obama thinks that such a catastrophe can be avoided by sitting down and talking with the leaders of Iran, then he is repeating a fallacy that helped bring on World War II.

In a nuclear age, one country does not have to send troops to occupy another country to conquer it. A country is conquered if another country can dictate who rules it, as the Mongols once did with Russia, and as Osama bin Laden tried to do when he threatened retaliation against places in the United States that voted for President Bush. But he didn't have nuclear weapons to back up that threat — yet.

America has never been a conquered country, so it may be very hard for most Americans even to conceive what that can mean. After France was conquered in 1940, it was reduced to turning over some of its own innocent citizens to the Nazis to kill, just because those citizens were Jewish.

Do you think our leaders wouldn't do that? Not even if the alternative was to see New York and Los Angeles go up in mushroom clouds? If I were Jewish, I wouldn't bet my life on that.

What the Middle East fanatics want is not just our resources or even our lives, but our humiliation first, in whatever sadistic ways they can think of. Their lust for humiliation has been demonstrated repeatedly in their videotaped beheadings that find such an eager market in the Middle East.

None of this can be prevented by glib talk, but only by character, courage, and decisive actions, none of which Obama has ever demonstrated.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, Calif. 94305. To find out more about Sowell, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at Creators Syndicate - Celebrating 20 Years as a World-Class Syndicate Of Talent. His Web site is Thomas Sowell | Home.

If this man had of ran for president he'd had my vote hands down... You have been WARNED now go VOTE!!!!!!!

Seems appropriate that you would quote someone from the Hoover Institution.

 

[jschuck12001]

For the last damn time, there is nothing wrong with Trinity United Church of Christ, how many services have you been to and how many of its members do you know personally?

Its not the members, its the pastor. Look I bet Rev Wright is a decent man down deep. He served his country in WWII and was pastor of a church that does alot in the local community but somewhere he forgot where he came from and all that money got to his head. It happens to all kinds of people but you have to see why people dont like the fact he says "GD America". America has made many mistakes throughout history but many people cant relate as to why someone would be mad at the U.S. about certain parts of history, they pin them as un-American and attack their patriotism.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

What is it blacks want ?

Justice in the criminal JUST-US system for one .. a BIG one.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

The problem is that this really isn't about race, its about the rich and powerful using race as a way of keeping people from realising that it is the rich and powerful *CORRUPT* people that are the problem. The avatar is Mr. Bass' personal favourite, it symbolises being a rebel and standing up for what you believe no matter what anyone thinks.

It's also one of my all-time favorite moments in life.

 

[editec]

Justice in the criminal JUST-US system for one .. a BIG one.

I happen to know a whole lotta Whites who would like that, too.

Course it's even worse if you're Black, no doubt about that.

Bottom line?

American justice is available for those who can afford it.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I happen to know a whole lotta Whites who would like that, too.

Course it's even worse if you're Black, no doubt about that.

Bottom line?

American justice is available for those who can afford it.

Absolutely correct brother.

America is the greatest prison nation in human history.

How much does it cost to be the greatest prison nation in human history?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Its not the members, its the pastor. Look I bet Rev Wright is a decent man down deep. He served his country in WWII and was pastor of a church that does alot in the local community but somewhere he forgot where he came from and all that money got to his head. It happens to all kinds of people but you have to see why people dont like the fact he says "GD America". America has made many mistakes throughout history but many people cant relate as to why someone would be mad at the U.S. about certain parts of history, they pin them as un-American and attack their patriotism.

When Wright said GD America he's about specific actions done by certain Americans, not all Americans or America itself.

 

[Vel]

Hmm.. I found it interesting that greenpartyaz was using these RFK quotes,

"Some men see things as they are and say 'why'; I dream things that never were and say "why not?" -Robert F. Kennedy

"Too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of other human beings" - Robert F. Kennedy

"But we can perhaps remember, even if only for a time, that those who live with us, are our brothers. They share with us the same short moment of life. They seek as we do, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and happiness. Winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can. Surely this bond of common fate, this bond of common goal; can begin to teach us something. Surely we can learn, at least to look at those around us, as fellow men. Surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us, and to become in our own heart's brothers and countrymen once again." - Robert F. Kennedy

as his tag line in light of the fact that Barack's buddy Bill Ayer's dedicated his book the RFK's murderer Sirhan Sirhan.

 

[WhiteLion]

Thomas Sowell
Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, California Thomas Sowell | Home or Thomas Sowell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
had this to say to the public pryor to the upcoming elections....

By: Thomas Sowell
Some elections are routine, some are important, and some are historic. If Sen. John McCain wins this election, it probably will go down in history as routine. But if Sen. Barack Obama wins, it is more likely to be historic — and catastrophic.

Once the election is over, the glittering generalities of rhetoric and style will mean nothing. Everything will depend on performance in facing huge challenges, domestic and foreign.

Performance is where Obama has nothing to show for his political career, either in Illinois or in Washington.

Policies he proposes under the change banner are almost all policies that have been tried repeatedly in other countries — and failed repeatedly in other countries.

Politicians telling businesses how to operate? That's been tried in countries around the world, especially during the second half of the 20th century. It has failed so often and so badly that even socialist and communist governments were freeing up their markets by the end of the century.

The economies of China and India began to take off into high rates of growth when they got rid of precisely the kinds of policies that Obama is advocating for the United States under the magic mantra of change.

Putting restrictions on international trade in order to save jobs at home? That was tried here with the Hawley-Smoot tariff during the Great Depression.

Unemployment was 9 percent when that tariff was passed to save jobs, but unemployment went up instead of down and reached 25 percent before the decade was over.

Higher taxes to "spread the wealth around," as Obama puts it? The idea of redistributing wealth has turned into the reality of redistributing poverty, in countries where wealth has fled and a lack of incentives has stifled the production of new wealth.

Economic disasters, however, may pale by comparison with the catastrophe of Iran with nuclear weapons. Glib rhetoric about Iran’s being "a small country," as Obama called it, will be a bitter irony for Americans who will have to live in the shadow of a nuclear threat that cannot be deterred, as that of the Soviet Union could be, by the threat of a nuclear counterattack.

Suicidal fanatics cannot be deterred. If they are willing to die and we are not, then we are at their mercy — and they have no mercy. Moreover, once they get nuclear weapons, that situation cannot be reversed.

Is this the legacy we wish to leave our children and grandchildren, by voting on the basis of style and symbolism, rather than substance?

If Barack Obama thinks that such a catastrophe can be avoided by sitting down and talking with the leaders of Iran, then he is repeating a fallacy that helped bring on World War II.

In a nuclear age, one country does not have to send troops to occupy another country to conquer it. A country is conquered if another country can dictate who rules it, as the Mongols once did with Russia, and as Osama bin Laden tried to do when he threatened retaliation against places in the United States that voted for President Bush. But he didn't have nuclear weapons to back up that threat — yet.

America has never been a conquered country, so it may be very hard for most Americans even to conceive what that can mean. After France was conquered in 1940, it was reduced to turning over some of its own innocent citizens to the Nazis to kill, just because those citizens were Jewish.

Do you think our leaders wouldn't do that? Not even if the alternative was to see New York and Los Angeles go up in mushroom clouds? If I were Jewish, I wouldn't bet my life on that.

What the Middle East fanatics want is not just our resources or even our lives, but our humiliation first, in whatever sadistic ways they can think of. Their lust for humiliation has been demonstrated repeatedly in their videotaped beheadings that find such an eager market in the Middle East.

None of this can be prevented by glib talk, but only by character, courage, and decisive actions, none of which Obama has ever demonstrated.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, Calif. 94305. To find out more about Sowell, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at Creators Syndicate - Celebrating 20 Years as a World-Class Syndicate Of Talent. His Web site is Thomas Sowell | Home.

If this man had of ran for president he'd had my vote hands down... You have been WARNED now go VOTE!!!!!!!

Any closing arguments on the original post are welcome, as i stand resolute on Mr Sowells behalf thanx again one an all.......

 

[WhiteLion]

By: Thomas Sowell
Some elections are routine, some are important, and some are historic. If Sen. John McCain wins this election, it probably will go down in history as routine. But if Sen. Barack Obama wins, it is more likely to be historic — and catastrophic.

Once the election is over, the glittering generalities of rhetoric and style will mean nothing. Everything will depend on performance in facing huge challenges, domestic and foreign.

Performance is where Obama has nothing to show for his political career, either in Illinois or in Washington.

Policies he proposes under the change banner are almost all policies that have been tried repeatedly in other countries — and failed repeatedly in other countries.

Politicians telling businesses how to operate? That's been tried in countries around the world, especially during the second half of the 20th century. It has failed so often and so badly that even socialist and communist governments were freeing up their markets by the end of the century.

The economies of China and India began to take off into high rates of growth when they got rid of precisely the kinds of policies that Obama is advocating for the United States under the magic mantra of change.

Putting restrictions on international trade in order to save jobs at home? That was tried here with the Hawley-Smoot tariff during the Great Depression.

Unemployment was 9 percent when that tariff was passed to save jobs, but unemployment went up instead of down and reached 25 percent before the decade was over.

Higher taxes to "spread the wealth around," as Obama puts it? The idea of redistributing wealth has turned into the reality of redistributing poverty, in countries where wealth has fled and a lack of incentives has stifled the production of new wealth.

Economic disasters, however, may pale by comparison with the catastrophe of Iran with nuclear weapons. Glib rhetoric about Iran’s being "a small country," as Obama called it, will be a bitter irony for Americans who will have to live in the shadow of a nuclear threat that cannot be deterred, as that of the Soviet Union could be, by the threat of a nuclear counterattack.

Suicidal fanatics cannot be deterred. If they are willing to die and we are not, then we are at their mercy — and they have no mercy. Moreover, once they get nuclear weapons, that situation cannot be reversed.

Is this the legacy we wish to leave our children and grandchildren, by voting on the basis of style and symbolism, rather than substance?

If Barack Obama thinks that such a catastrophe can be avoided by sitting down and talking with the leaders of Iran, then he is repeating a fallacy that helped bring on World War II.

In a nuclear age, one country does not have to send troops to occupy another country to conquer it. A country is conquered if another country can dictate who rules it, as the Mongols once did with Russia, and as Osama bin Laden tried to do when he threatened retaliation against places in the United States that voted for President Bush. But he didn't have nuclear weapons to back up that threat — yet.

America has never been a conquered country, so it may be very hard for most Americans even to conceive what that can mean. After France was conquered in 1940, it was reduced to turning over some of its own innocent citizens to the Nazis to kill, just because those citizens were Jewish.

Do you think our leaders wouldn't do that? Not even if the alternative was to see New York and Los Angeles go up in mushroom clouds? If I were Jewish, I wouldn't bet my life on that.

What the Middle East fanatics want is not just our resources or even our lives, but our humiliation first, in whatever sadistic ways they can think of. Their lust for humiliation has been demonstrated repeatedly in their videotaped beheadings that find such an eager market in the Middle East.

None of this can be prevented by glib talk, but only by character, courage, and decisive actions, none of which Obama has ever demonstrated.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, Calif. 94305. To find out more about Sowell, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at Creators Syndicate - Celebrating 20 Years as a World-Class Syndicate Of Talent. His Web site is Thomas Sowell | Home.

If this man had of ran for president he'd had my vote hands down... You have been WARNED now go VOTE!!!!!!![/quote]

I would like to take the time to thank all for replying to this thread and agree to disagree or vice versa. Your closing arguments are most welcome as i stand resolute on behalf of Mr Sowells article... Thanx again was most interesting and intelligent comments, well most all

Compassion is no substitute for justice.
Rush Limbaugh

The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry.
William F. Buckley, Jr.

"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.”
Thomas Sowell quote

 

[BlackAsCoal]

He closes quoting Limbaugh and Buckley ..

truly amazing

 

[WhiteLion]

He closes quoting Limbaugh and Buckley ..

truly amazing

yeh so i could hear more of your moronic BS thats whats truely amazing.....

 

[BlackAsCoal]

yeh so i could hear more of your moronic BS thats whats truely amazing.....

"moronic BS" .. this from a guy who quotes Limbaugh, Buckley, and Sowell .. one would have to look long and hard to find 3 people who have been more wrong about every damn thing they've said over the last 8 years than these buffoons.

FACTS are a troubling thing .. they tend to get in the way of braindead ideology.

 

[WhiteLion]

"moronic BS" .. this from a guy who quotes Limbaugh, Buckley, and Sowell .. one would have to look long and hard to find 3 people who have been more wrong about every damn thing they've said over the last 8 years than these buffoons.

FACTS are a troubling thing .. they tend to get in the way of braindead ideology.

Your facts are facts as you precieve them plain and simple, thank GOD they're not the THE FACTS... If you had half the brain power of any of these guys you wouldnt be on this message board sobbing and whinning about BS that no one else gives a shit about?!?!?!?!?!