Something important that we are losing....

[WillowTree]

I generally ignore posts like that. It takes two to tango you know.

Your example of name calling posts are right-calling-left-names. That is unbalanced, the left reciprocates all the time. Cue the music.

Nice try.

MY QUOTE: All sides have guilty parties – it’s not just one or the other.

I don't like it from anyone, ESPECIALLY those I generally agree with. The quotes posted were from only 1 person and were the proverbial straw for me. This person fired back from every counterpoint with name-calling and it was not only redundant, but juvenile and lazy, in my opinion. It was boring to read and I learned more about that person than I wanted to know.

We will never have a one-sided conversation here (hopefully), but it would be nice to be able to have discussions instead of playground insults. That was my point.

The very nature of the topics are going to bring emotions and frustrations to our posts - that is a given. I don't want to inhibit anyone's freedom to express themselves, or I would not have been unable to create this thread.

I truly appreciate this board for the forums for the opportunity to connect everyone and allow me a place to try to learn and understand the differing viewpoints, that's all.

"or I would not have been unable to create this thread."



this is a most curious phrase, what does it mean?

 

[onthedl]

Have you visited the Clean Zone lately?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Whether you believe I am a Republican means nothing, Meister. I voted for Romney. If you can't believe that, child, then that is your problem, not mine, not anyone else. We lost the election because the far right could not talk about the economy and shut up about everything else. We lost because of the social values crowd and the extremists. That will not happen again, ever.

You need to grow up.

How? I am willing to listen, Meister.

The bill to extend those cuts will happen, either as part of a deal during lame duck, or the Dems will introduce in the new term and make all of us GOP look real bad.

Who did you vote for, Meister? Show me yours, I will show you mine. Show faith here.

Impeach the president....really?
Who did you vote for in this last election, Jake?
I say lets "compromise" with taxing and spending...not one now, and later maybe the other one. We all know how that will work out...we saw it in 1986 with the amnesty bill, huh? You act like the GOP has momentum in the next election, Jake.
We have a problem that needs to be fixed now....both sides of the equation, not just one side.

When it comes to politics I have no faith, and you're being silly acting like a conservative Jake, it didn't work a year ago and it's not working now. You don't know how to think like a conservative, so don't try.
My asking about how you voted was a rhetorical question, Jake....we all know who you voted for.
The GOP is asking for a serious talk about spending cuts and Obama wants to kick it down the road, why? He's not serious about it....just like the dems weren't serious about controlling the border back in '86.
The media will play it as GOP obstruction when they are trying to compromise, but, Obama doesn't want to compromise, he doesn't have to when he can dupe the public.

 

[onthedl]

I'd take this thread a lot more seriously if I saw any of the insane bullshit spewed by lefty spouters like pballs, jake, barb, seawytch, ravi or jillian.

It's that leftist filter that alters reality, and makes the op laughable.

koshergirl,

I'm going to repaste my response to someone else who hastily responded before reading my post thoroughly........
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom-boing
I generally ignore posts like that. It takes two to tango you know.

Your example of name calling posts are right-calling-left-names. That is unbalanced, the left reciprocates all the time. Cue the music.[/I]
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Nice try.

MY QUOTE: All sides have guilty parties – it’s not just one or the other.

I don't like it from anyone, ESPECIALLY those I generally agree with. The quotes posted were from only 1 person and were the proverbial straw for me. This person fired back from every counterpoint with name-calling and it was not only redundant, but juvenile and lazy, in my opinion. It was boring to read and I learned more about that person than I wanted to know.

We will never have a one-sided conversation here (hopefully), but it would be nice to be able to have discussions instead of playground insults. That was my point.

The very nature of the topics are going to bring emotions and frustrations to our posts - that is a given. I don't want to inhibit anyone's freedom to express themselves, or I would not have been unable to create this thread.

I truly appreciate this board for the forums for the opportunity to connect everyone and allow me a place to try to learn and understand the differing viewpoints, that's all.
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[JakeStarkey]

onthedl is unreal, so easy to oppose.

 

[onthedl]

…the ability to engage in adult conversations. Below are actual posts that were made by one person over the past 5 or 6 days. Whether we disagree or are angered by different viewpoints, we should be able to have spirited discussions.

Has anyone else grown tired of the escalation in name-calling and vitriol replacing civility, mature discussion, disagreements or disputes? All sides have guilty parties – it’s not just one or the other.

It would make this board much more enjoyable if we could retire the exhausted labels of idiot, moron, stupid, retard, ____tard, etc. For those who must resort to childish insults regarding mental capacity, you may want to use a spelling and grammar check first because most of those judgmental responses are fraught with errors, making them hilariously ironic.

Here are some prime examples of one person’s disregard for meaningful comments[, basic English and proper writing. Please note, these statements have not been altered and are oh-so-funny . Enjoy.

If you dimwits think you are so smart, why do you guys always sound so stupid and do stupid things?

This just in. Everyone but you know you are a big lefty commie retard. Shut Up fool.

No. Someone smarter then you libtards.

Yet you guys put in office their puppet. Idiots.

Libtards hate it when the truth comes out, they do not know how to deal with it.

An idiot stating what other idiots think.

Because smart people know the truth. Idiots follow the idiot in chief.

They are too stupid to realize how they have been played.

T he first useful idiot shows up. Hey there puke.

The idiot has spoken.

You are an idiot of the first degree.

The three stooges: obamaturd, clinton, and rice should not have lied for two weeks if they did not want to be held accountable. The three stooges need to pay the price.

We all know the alphabets mainstream media are obamaturd butt kissers. Story there.

And obamaturds cushy arse.

You are the fuckwit, fuckwit. Obamaturd is a pos and you idiots kiss his arse.

I told you, google it. I did. You do some work and see for yourself instead of hiding behind obamaturds big ears.

Obamaturd is a disgrace, and you, idiot.

Obamacare is a perfect example. If you are too stupid to see that, you have NO credibility. Google socialism, obamacare fits the definition to a tee. Your response is typical of a libtard..

JIt is their fault, any intelligent person knows it. Obviously the idiot left doesn't because they are retarded.[ust like obamaturd to appoint a coward of a traitor.
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By the way, I am not claiming to be error-free, but I am not insulting other poster’s intelligence.

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I can't compromise my values for shit stain liberals agenda I will not so kiss my ass

Charming comment, and no thanks. If you had not been so quick to post your error-filled sentence and make an assumption, you may have read the key comment: "All sides have guilty parties – it’s not just one or the other."

I will also repost my response that applies to Zoom-boing and koshergirl - they jumped to conclusions as well.

BTW, I LOVE the dog in your picture? Yours? If so, what is the breed?

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Nice try.

MY QUOTE: All sides have guilty parties – it’s not just one or the other.

I don't like it from anyone, ESPECIALLY those I generally agree with. The quotes posted were from only 1 person and were the proverbial straw for me. This person fired back from every counterpoint with name-calling and it was not only redundant, but juvenile and lazy, in my opinion. It was boring to read and I learned more about that person than I wanted to know.

We will never have a one-sided conversation here (hopefully), but it would be nice to be able to have discussions instead of playground insults. That was my point.

The very nature of the topics are going to bring emotions and frustrations to our posts - that is a given. I don't want to inhibit anyone's freedom to express themselves, or I would not have been unable to create this thread.

I truly appreciate this board for the forums for the opportunity to connect everyone and allow me a place to try to learn and understand the differing viewpoints, that's all.

 

[onthedl]

Today 05:54 PM
WillowTree
Quote: Originally Posted by onthedl
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom-boing
I generally ignore posts like that. It takes two to tango you know.

Your example of name calling posts are right-calling-left-names. That is unbalanced, the left reciprocates all the time. Cue the music.
Nice try.

MY QUOTE: All sides have guilty parties – it’s not just one or the other.

I don't like it from anyone, ESPECIALLY those I generally agree with. The quotes posted were from only 1 person and were the proverbial straw for me. This person fired back from every counterpoint with name-calling and it was not only redundant, but juvenile and lazy, in my opinion. It was boring to read and I learned more about that person than I wanted to know.

We will never have a one-sided conversation here (hopefully), but it would be nice to be able to have discussions instead of playground insults. That was my point.

The very nature of the topics are going to bring emotions and frustrations to our posts - that is a given. I don't want to inhibit anyone's freedom to express themselves, or I would not have been unable to create this thread.

I truly appreciate this board for the forums for the opportunity to connect everyone and allow me a place to try to learn and understand the differing viewpoints, that's all.
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"or I would not have been unable to create this thread."

this is a most curious phrase, what does it mean?
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Willowtree,

It was poorly written and I understand your question. I was attempting to convey that I am not suggesting any type of filtering or exclusion of ANY posts because I feel fortunate for the freedom to express myself (here and anywhere else). I was hoping nobody would think I wanted to put any type of restriction on posts and appreciate the opportunity to give my opinion in forums such as USMESSAGEBOARD. I hope that better explains it.

Thank you for reading carefully.

 

[onthedl]

onthedl is unreal, so easy to oppose.

What are you referring to, please? Easy to oppose my opinion? That I am weary of lazy name-calling instead of actual adult conversation?

Please explain. Here's something that I feel:

When a person is name-calling, they have abandoned intelligent conversation in favor of emotional outburst. In an indirect way they are informing you that they are not immediately interested in problem solving, compromise, personal improvement, meaningful debate or mutually beneficial conversation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

When you start talking about reality, you open yourself to questions about your hold on it.

Name calling, unfortunately, is one of the characteristics of this Board, which will never change.

When you are ready to talk instead of pontificate, go for it.

onthedl is unreal, so easy to oppose.

What are you referring to, please? Easy to oppose my opinion? That I am weary of lazy name-calling instead of actual adult conversation? Please explain. Here's something that I feel: When a person is name-calling, they have abandoned intelligent conversation in favor of emotional outburst. In an indirect way they are informing you that they are not immediately interested in problem solving, compromise, personal improvement, meaningful debate or mutually beneficial conversation.

 

[Harry Dresden]

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I would love to see a significant improvement in the civility and maturity of our conversations, but I've long since resigned myself to the fact that it just ain't gonna happen.

Definitely appreciate the sentiment, though!

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Mac, I have seen you have some pretty good threads, however any decent conversations contained therein have been conversations with those that identify themselves as Indy or Liberal.

How you gonna have a meaningful discussion with the likes of a stephanie or a rottweiler, matthew? or any of the other half brained people on this board?

There is nothing good that comes with the attitude of; it's my way or the highway. And that is the attitude the right wingers seem to have.

hey Zeke you left out the Asswipe Lefties here that are like that......since your not allowed too..... let me mention them.....you have that phony LaKota who calls anyone who doesnt agree with him.....a Nazi.....Dudley considers those who dont agree with him....Anti-American.....Dean doesnt care for ANYONE to his right....Black Label always has some nice things to say..... i think it is more than just Right Wingers.......

 

[J.E.D]

I can't be the only one interested in better discussions, am I? Anybody?

negged

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hey new poster,


are you on the down low or the disabled list?


seriously though heres the gist of how I see it.

When I first started out in this internets world (series of tubes) I insulted no one.

I tried very hard to be civil yet state the facts.

I was lumped right in with everyone who called names.


The poster Immie like ten years ago acused me of being uncivil and I told him to go check my every post for an insult.

He could find none.


Of course ten years later he says he doesnt remember the incident but that is jsut the continuation of the problem.


I at that point realised cussing and calling names was part of the deal oif no one is willing to give credit for civility.


I love to make up insult names so its fun.

I have since spent two seperate years using no invective.


The forst time was at a site that is owned by Gunnys brother( gunny was a ficture here once).

They banned me because it drove them bat shit insane and they are full of hate.


Then after the Dem in Arizona got a bullet injected into her head after the republicans called for "second amendment remedies" to not winning elections I did a civility experiment for nearly a full year.


Guess what those years of civility got me?




Not one fucking thing.


I was treated WORSE by people on the right because I was seen as weak.

They thought calling me things lile twat would scare me.


The people on the FAR right in this country are not sane.


They are not fair.

they are not civil


they are not smart


they are not trustable


they are not an asset


they are a anchor dragging the bottom of the ocean trying to stop the world from changing for the better.


and they dont like anyone on board the ship which sails above them.

Hell they hate the fucking ship.


They hate government and say its evil.

they hate the people with the wrong colors of skin.

they hate the people on the ship who love each other if they are the wrong sex.


They hate the kids on the ship who have nothing to eat.

They hate the sick people on the ship.


They hate the ships library.

they hate the ships schools.


they hate the teachers on the ship.

They hate the ships logs because they cant change them.

They hate the sceince that created a ship that can float and sail and defy the oceans powers.


Now why am I supposed to stay civil with people like that when its proven they will NEVER be civil themselves.


I spent YEARS trying to get them to be civil.

It is not going to happen.


No con Ive met in my entire life ever respected me in any way whe I was civil to them.

have you ever read such a concoction of shit in your life..........Mother Fuck....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Zeke, pull the beam out of your eye.

Harry is 100% right. We got some people on both of the far wings that are not helping this country out in the slightest, far left to far right. And then some of the liberatarians and authoritarians are stone crazy.

Stay balanced.

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I would love to see a significant improvement in the civility and maturity of our conversations, but I've long since resigned myself to the fact that it just ain't gonna happen.

Definitely appreciate the sentiment, though!

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Mac, I have seen you have some pretty good threads, however any decent conversations contained therein have been conversations with those that identify themselves as Indy or Liberal.

How you gonna have a meaningful discussion with the likes of a stephanie or a rottweiler, matthew? or any of the other half brained people on this board?

There is nothing good that comes with the attitude of; it's my way or the highway. And that is the attitude the right wingers seem to have.

hey Zeke you left out the Asswipe Lefties here that are like that......since your not allowed too..... let me mention them.....you have that phony LaKota who calls anyone who doesnt agree with him.....a Nazi.....Dudley considers those who dont agree with him....Anti-American.....Dean doesnt care for ANYONE to his right....Black Label always has some nice things to say..... i think it is more than just Right Wingers.......

 

[Harry Dresden]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-rubber-room/150282-the-experiment-in-civility.html


take a gander


Its an interesting primer in just how insane the far right is.

gee....i wonder why posters like you and Dean get zero respect....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Negged for negging, JoseK.

Come on, folks, don't keep me in suspense. Bring it on.

 

[onthedl]

I can't be the only one interested in better discussions, am I? Anybody?

Yeah, how about you worry about raising your level of discourse? Because this sure as heck isn't a partisan problem.

cant lose what some people never had.

Would you please clarify what you are trying to say here? Thank you.

 

[J.E.D]

Negged for negging, JoseK.

Come on, folks, don't keep me in suspense. Bring it on.

I didn't actually neg him. Don't ever let anybody tell you that you don't have a sense of humor. (that was sarcasm)

 

[JakeStarkey]

That wasn't humor on your part, JoseK. Don't back down, man.

 

[J.E.D]

That wasn't humor on your part, JoseK. Don't back down, man.

If you don't get it, then you never will; so, I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you.

 

[onthedl]

I'd take this thread a lot more seriously if I saw any of the insane bullshit spewed by lefty spouters like pballs, jake, barb, seawytch, ravi or jillian.

It's that leftist filter that alters reality, and makes the op laughable.

Exactly.

To save myself repeating the key sentence you overlooked and my response to the others that did too (Zoom-Boing and koshergirl), read my response and further comments to help you understand your misinterpretation.