Discussion in 'Congress' started by CrimsonWhite, Oct 27, 2008.
The problem with bureacracy.
Unfortunately that's not the only case....
www.dcexaminer.com >> Local News
Fairfax County elections officials are rejecting about 200 overseas ballots, many of them from members of the military, saying the voters failed to observe a minor technicality in filling out their absentee forms.
The decision to invalidate the ballots has angered local and federal Republican officials, who say the county is disenfranchising a group most deserving of the right to vote. The countys registrar argues he has no choice but to obey a law he recognizes as flawed.
Im not the guy disenfranchising people, said Fairfax County Registrar Rokey Suleman. The commonwealth of Virginia is disenfranchising people.Under the 2002 law, overseas voters sending in their absentee applications and ballots simultaneously must have a witness sign the form. That witness is required to provide an address.
But the federal government changed the form three years later to cut out the space for the address, officials said. Many voters who got a witness to sign their ballot left off the address, for which there was no clear space. That rendered their forms officially invalid, under a strict reading of the law. The State Board of Elections last week instructed county officials to adhere to the letter of the law.
But several Virginia localities, including Alexandria and the military-heavy Hampton Roads region, said Thursday they will ignore the glitch and count the overseas ballots.
The problem is especially sensitive because the turnout of armed forces voters in Virginia could help determine whether Sen. John McCain can win a swing state thats critical to his presidential campaign.
Suleman brought the problem last month before the Fairfax County Electoral Board, which saw no other recourse and told him to work with the State Board of Elections to seek a change in the law, according to the Sept. 16 meetings minutes.
Fairfax County Supervisor Pat Herrity, a Republican, announced the ballot problems at a news conference Thursday.
We need to be sure that we can count the ballots of the men and women overseas defending our right to vote, he said.
Suleman took heat earlier this month for sending his staff, at the request of defense attorneys, to the county jail to sign up nonfelon inmates to vote, which was first reported in The Examiner. It was the first such visit to the jail in at least 30 years.
Our fighting soldiers ought to get at least the consideration that the prisoners in the jail get, said District 11 Rep. Tom Davis, a Republican, who said the disparate treatment of overseas voters violates federal law.
Suleman was active in Ohio Democratic politics at his previous job with the Trumbull County Board of Elections, and ran for office earlier this year before taking the job at Fairfax. The office he holds in Virginia is officially nonpartisan.
The ballots in Fairfax wont officially be rejected until the election. Suleman said hes checking records to see if some of the about 200 voters had sent in absentee applications separately, which would allow their votes to be counted.
So according to this election official inmates deserve a right to vote but not our troops that have served this nation.
and thus the set up for the claim of "stolen election" "disenfranchised voters"
The precedent has been set. Voter fraud is going to be the "whine du jour" following the election no matter what.
Seems to me the thing to do if you're all that concerned about being registered properly is to check and see that you are and correct any discrepancies/clear up any misinformation.
Whining about it AFTER the election is weak.
if you have a registeration problem...arent you allowed to vote on a "provisional" ballot?
A provisional ballot is used to record a vote when there is some question in regards to a given voter's eligibility. A provisional ballot would be cast when:
The voter refuses to show a photo ID (in regions that require one)
The voter's name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct.
The voter's registration contains inaccurate or out-dated information such as the wrong address or a misspelled name.
The voter's ballot has already been recorded
Whether a provisional ballot is counted is contingent upon the verification of that voter's eligibility.
A guarantee that a voter could cast a provisional ballot if he or she believes that they are entitled to vote was one of the guarantees of the Help America Vote Act of 2002.
Provisional ballot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is why voting early is important too. IF there is a problem you can find out and fix it.
I do laugh at the idea that the Republicans are whining about voter suppression when it's usually THEIR party that carries it out.
I bet the world thinks we're a bunch of fucking idiots
strolling, the problem with a provisional ballot is that it's up the board of elections as to whether or not to count them.
That is if the individual states all use provisional ballots. I'm sorry, but I have little to no sympathy for improperly registered voters. They have 4 years between Presidential elections to do it right and it isn't like it's a college-level exam. Spell your name right. Get your address right. Provide proof of residency and birth.
It's just not all that hard.
one of the major changes i have seen in my life....if the distrust of the elections and balloting. that is one issue the next president must address...restoring voter confidence in the system. it was much better when we all casted our votes then the next day united behind the man the country elected....without all this recount bullshit.
unfortunately many people do not understand the concept of voter registration drives and what it entails. you must turn in all filled out forms regardless of the names on them...i.e. mickey mouse...but you are to separate out all the b/s forms and turn them in separately. people forget that mccain spoke before acorn and told them what a good job they were doing..i would like to see the intergity of elections restored. i would go to some form of voting that gave the voters a receipt showing who their vote dcounted for. take out all questions right up front. but they you look like you are tracking the voter...hard call to make.
i have to agree with you....i have voted in every election i could since i was 18. i never have had any problems at the polls. they have made it too easy to register imho but still people complain....
but you do realize that many times it's actually not the voters' error but rather an error in the data entry by the person who imput their information into the system. One wrong number can throw the entire registration off.
It's human error. and IMO it's always better to err on the side of giving people their RIGHT to vote rather than taking it away from them.
Robert F. Kennedy gave the example that if he registered to vote as Robert Francis Kennedy Jr but his drivers licenese said Robert F. Kennedy instead he'd be flagged as ineligible to vote.
Are you saying that's legitimate Gunny?
Separate names with a comma.