Solar rooftop bubble, when will it burst?

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    I have to admit I hadn't thought of this.


    Freakonomics » Is There a Rooftop Solar Bubble? And Is It About to Burst?
     
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    German rooftop solar price *averages* less than $4 per watt | Grist

    http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/ems/reports/lbnl-4121e.pdf

    This is why Republicans will ruin this country. They have no understanding of neither Economics nor Science.

    http://www.earthtechling.com/2011/05/new-rooftop-solar-to-be-germanys-largest/

    http://www.gaccny.com/fileadmin/ahk...ting/Greenteam/Thomas_Chrometzka_-_BSW_01.pdf

    http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/resea...-that-will-make-solar-power-cheaper-than-coal

    The problem is you have this giant political party that is 90% white and spends far too much time trying to limit education in this country. They don't know anything are are proud of that fact. In fact, they believe "ignorance" gives them both "insight and strength".
     
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    Didn't even read what I posted, or the article, did you?

    This is why people ignore you, this thread has nothing to do with the cost of the solar panels, it is about the government mandating that utility companies buy electricity back from home owners at the same rate they charge. That is unsustainable, and at least one company has filed for, and will probably get, an exemption to this requirement. Once that happens the price of solar power for homeowners will suddenly increase because they will not be receiving a government subsidized rate on the energy they produce.

    Come back when you learn to read.
     
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    When the petrodollar standard collapses and hyperinflated $USDs from foreign reserve banks replace the import flow of oil, domestically produced alternate energy -- as long as it's traded in dollars -- will become the most economically efficient and primary source of energy for Americans. At least that's what I hope the plan is.
     
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    All net-metering that I've seen requires the utilities to give credit for energy produced at a 1/1 comparison, but not to pay cash at the same rate. What this means is that if you have a rooftop solar system with net metering, the utility takes your electricity during the day and gives you a credit for the same amount of power to use in the evening when your solar system isn't generating much, or at night when it's generating nothing. The utility gives you back your electricity free. If your credit runs out, then you pay standard electric rates. If at the end of the year you've produced more than you've earned, then the utility pays you cash for the difference, but NOT at its standard rate -- at a very steep discount.

    Seems to me that's quite sustainable, as it actually works. I agree it wouldn't be if it worked the way you seem to think it does.
     
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    Bursting solar rooftop bubbles reminds me of sunburn blisters on the top of a bald guy's head.
     
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    As EV's become more common, demand for solar roofs will increase dramatically. For with an EV you have a home battery system. In case of a power outage you could power the absolutely neccessary functions in your home for a long period with kwh's in a automotive battery. Not only this, you could recharge on a daily basis with the solar panels.

    Solar panels are becoming cheaper on a daily basis and more efficient, also. There is coming a time when one cannot afford not to have solar if your home has the right roof configuration for it.
     
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    In general, I don't see a solar "bubble" happening. Solar is benefiting from a combination of improved solar tech and dropping solar prices together with rising oil prices. I do a lot of writing for one of my clients for a renewable energy blog, so I do a fair amount of research into that sort of thing. We're just about at the crossover point where solar and wind both become cost-competitive with fossil fuels. That's a different mechanism than a "bubble."
     
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    It works because the utility companies could pass on the loss to other customers when only a small percentage of customers were feeding into the grid, as the percentage of homes doing this increases the cost to utilities goes up, and they need to recoup that by either reducing what they pay to customers who have rooftop solar or charging more to everyone for the electricity they use.

    That might be sustainable in a world where the government waves magic wands and prints money, but in a world where the government does not have access to unlimited funds, which includes every state in the US, it is unsustainable. The first state that will drop the requirement will be California, but it will spread to other state rapidly after that.
     
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    Which will, in turn, dramatically increase the costs to utility companies to store the extra power supplied to their grid, and make the bubble even worse if we do not take action to prevent it.

    Or are you assuming you know what the thread is about without actually reading the OP?
     

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