Socialist Power in America

[The T]

why cant you counter the real arguement made.

Why do you people have to pretend some big hairy socialist is out to get you?

This is America and we are capitalists.

I am and will always be a capitalist and you would be haard pressed to find anyone more liberal democrat than me.


This whole smoke and mirrors crap proves that your positions are so weak you fear the real discussion of what your fellow Americans want to see happen in this country.

You know you will lose the real debate so you throw up this confetti in the air as if thinking people will actually buy it.


Put away your childish boogey men and face like adults the real discussion of what we should do to improve this country for Americans.

We are capitalists? Really TM? Then WHY do you support those that portend to bring it down?

 

[rdean]

1. "The DSA [Democratic Socialists of America] is a political action committee and bills itself as the heir to the defunct Socialist Party of America. It's chief organizing objective is to work within the Democratic Party as the primary, but not sole, method of achieving public ownership of private property and the means of production.
"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an internal organizing document obtained by WND.

"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an internal organizing document obtained by WND. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals." In October 2009, the DSA newsletter reported that 70 congressional Democrats are active members.

2. ... links include Mother Jones magazine, Moveon.org, OneWorld, The Nation magazine, ACORN and the Institute for Policy Studies.
"Many socialists have seen the Democratic Party, since at least the New Deal, as the key political arena in which to consolidate this coalition, because the Democratic Party held the allegiance of our natural allies," the group states in the "Where we stand" section of its website.

"Through control of the government by the Democratic Party coalition, led by anti-corporate forces, a progressive program regulating the corporations, redistributing income, fostering economic growth and expanding social programs could be realized."
In addition to a national program of "massive redistribution of income from corporations and the wealthy to wage earners and the poor and the public sector," the DSA also calls for a breaking down the American-style notions of nationalism and national sovereignty.

a. Democratic socialists are dedicated to building truly international social movements – of unionists, environmentalists, feminists, and people of color – that together can elevate global justice over brutalizing global competition."

b. While the DSA tries to paint distinctions between its brand of socialism and communism, before scrubbing its website following the WND expose 12 years ago, the site included a song list that included:

"The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of Communism and socialism.
"Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin," with these lyrics: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..."

"Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" Lyrics included: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a longtime member of the Progressive Caucus and served on the executive committee. She was not, however, listed last year as a member of the DSA.
How many socialists sit in Congress today? How many socialists sit in Congress today?

3. Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was founded in 1991 by Bernie Sanders-the openly socialist then Congressman from Vermont, Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and the radical Washington DC based "think tank" Institute for Policy Studies (IPS). Many members were and continue to be linked to DSA and/or the Communist Party USA, IPS or other radical organizations.
From small beginnings the CPC has grown to embrace more than 80 members of Congress and three in the Senate. Congressional Progressive Caucus - KeyWiki

4. In more recent years, the Congressional Progressive Caucus has gone underground in respect to their connection to the Democratic Socialists of America. Their roster is no longer published on the DSA website and they no longer publicly acknowledge their loyalty to the socialist organization. In the DSA document, "Electoral Politics As Tactic — Elections Statement 2000," it states:

"DSA recognizes that some insurgent politicians representing labor, environmentalists, gays and lesbians, and communities of color may choose to run under Democratic auspices... and the 59 Democratic members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, one-half of whom are Black and Latino and all of whom possess strong labor backing and operative social democratic politics."
In the simplest of terms, Socialists at every level of government are calling for the federal government takeover of the management of American business, health care, education and the American family.

a. Ludwig von Mises wrote: "On the other hand the application of the basic ideas of collectivism cannot result in anything but social disintegration and the perpetuation of armed conflict. It is true that every variety of collectivism promises eternal peace starting with the day of its own decisive victory and the final overthrow and extermination of all other ideologies and their supporters. ... As soon as a faction has succeeded in winning the support of the majority of citizens and thereby attained control of the government machine, it is free to deny to the minority all those democratic rights by means of which it itself has previously carried on its own struggle for supremacy." [The Fallacy of Collectivism] Socialists in the House: the Progressive Caucus

Thus, the Left in America is the combination of socialists, communists, progressives and the Democratic Party.

While there are many, I am sure, who subscribe to some aspects of the programs and agendas of these groups, it is essential that all recognize that giving power to even parts of this collective will empower all of their programs.

Thus, the Left in America is the combination of socialists, communists, progressives and the Democratic Party. Oh, really?

The right wing is a combination of kooks, uneducated Bible thumpers who don't believe in science or education and racists. Of course, can you really call a party that's 90% white a "combination"?

 

[The T]

1. "The DSA [Democratic Socialists of America] is a political action committee and bills itself as the heir to the defunct Socialist Party of America. It's chief organizing objective is to work within the Democratic Party as the primary, but not sole, method of achieving public ownership of private property and the means of production.
"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an internal organizing document obtained by WND.

"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an internal organizing document obtained by WND. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals." In October 2009, the DSA newsletter reported that 70 congressional Democrats are active members.

2. ... links include Mother Jones magazine, Moveon.org, OneWorld, The Nation magazine, ACORN and the Institute for Policy Studies.
"Many socialists have seen the Democratic Party, since at least the New Deal, as the key political arena in which to consolidate this coalition, because the Democratic Party held the allegiance of our natural allies," the group states in the "Where we stand" section of its website.

"Through control of the government by the Democratic Party coalition, led by anti-corporate forces, a progressive program regulating the corporations, redistributing income, fostering economic growth and expanding social programs could be realized."
In addition to a national program of "massive redistribution of income from corporations and the wealthy to wage earners and the poor and the public sector," the DSA also calls for a breaking down the American-style notions of nationalism and national sovereignty.

a. Democratic socialists are dedicated to building truly international social movements – of unionists, environmentalists, feminists, and people of color – that together can elevate global justice over brutalizing global competition."

b. While the DSA tries to paint distinctions between its brand of socialism and communism, before scrubbing its website following the WND expose 12 years ago, the site included a song list that included:

"The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of Communism and socialism.
"Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin," with these lyrics: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..."

"Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" Lyrics included: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a longtime member of the Progressive Caucus and served on the executive committee. She was not, however, listed last year as a member of the DSA.
How many socialists sit in Congress today? How many socialists sit in Congress today?

3. Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was founded in 1991 by Bernie Sanders-the openly socialist then Congressman from Vermont, Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and the radical Washington DC based "think tank" Institute for Policy Studies (IPS). Many members were and continue to be linked to DSA and/or the Communist Party USA, IPS or other radical organizations.
From small beginnings the CPC has grown to embrace more than 80 members of Congress and three in the Senate. Congressional Progressive Caucus - KeyWiki

4. In more recent years, the Congressional Progressive Caucus has gone underground in respect to their connection to the Democratic Socialists of America. Their roster is no longer published on the DSA website and they no longer publicly acknowledge their loyalty to the socialist organization. In the DSA document, "Electoral Politics As Tactic — Elections Statement 2000," it states:

"DSA recognizes that some insurgent politicians representing labor, environmentalists, gays and lesbians, and communities of color may choose to run under Democratic auspices... and the 59 Democratic members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, one-half of whom are Black and Latino and all of whom possess strong labor backing and operative social democratic politics."
In the simplest of terms, Socialists at every level of government are calling for the federal government takeover of the management of American business, health care, education and the American family.

a. Ludwig von Mises wrote: "On the other hand the application of the basic ideas of collectivism cannot result in anything but social disintegration and the perpetuation of armed conflict. It is true that every variety of collectivism promises eternal peace starting with the day of its own decisive victory and the final overthrow and extermination of all other ideologies and their supporters. ... As soon as a faction has succeeded in winning the support of the majority of citizens and thereby attained control of the government machine, it is free to deny to the minority all those democratic rights by means of which it itself has previously carried on its own struggle for supremacy." [The Fallacy of Collectivism] Socialists in the House: the Progressive Caucus

Thus, the Left in America is the combination of socialists, communists, progressives and the Democratic Party.

While there are many, I am sure, who subscribe to some aspects of the programs and agendas of these groups, it is essential that all recognize that giving power to even parts of this collective will empower all of their programs.

Thus, the Left in America is the combination of socialists, communists, progressives and the Democratic Party. Oh, really?

YES...really...

The right wing is a combination of kooks, uneducated Bible thumpers who don't be believe in science or education and racists. Of course, can you really call a party that's 90% white a "combination"?

And ALL of which you have YET to prove deany-bub. Our present conditions tend to side with Political Chic...

 

[Truthmatters]

why cant you counter the real arguement made.

Why do you people have to pretend some big hairy socialist is out to get you?

This is America and we are capitalists.

I am and will always be a capitalist and you would be haard pressed to find anyone more liberal democrat than me.


This whole smoke and mirrors crap proves that your positions are so weak you fear the real discussion of what your fellow Americans want to see happen in this country.

You know you will lose the real debate so you throw up this confetti in the air as if thinking people will actually buy it.


Put away your childish boogey men and face like adults the real discussion of what we should do to improve this country for Americans.

We are capitalists? Really TM? Then WHY do you support those that portend to bring it down?

I dont.

You just buy into right wing talking points which you use to keep the real discussion of what needs doing in this country at bey.


Pretending we are about to fall to communism is nothing but utter nonsense.

Its your average mind frame, nonsense.

 

[Truthmatters]

Sharp Drop in American Enthusiasm for Free Market, Poll Shows - World Public Opinion


heres some facts for you on what American think.

This may scare you a little bit but realise these numbers are down in correlation with the crash which your party presided over.

Deregulation is the biggest danger for the health of our capitalist system.

 

[The T]

Sharp Drop in American Enthusiasm for Free Market, Poll Shows - World Public Opinion


heres some facts for you on what American think.

This may scare you a little bit but realise these numbers are down in correlation with the crash which your party presided over.

Deregulation is the biggest danger for the health of our capitalist system.

Note? "World Public OPINION"

Whom gives a tinker's DAMN what the rest of the world thinks...?

 

[Antiderivative]

While you may be a moron, you certainly have me confused with someone else with whom
you lost a battle....

IOW, you cannot answer my question of why the collective means of ownership is a bad thing.


IOW, you are trolling me. Bye.

Be it known that what you pupport isn't the American WAY...It's 180 out of the Founders.

That is why I supported Bob Barr during the last election?

For fuck's sake I was happier casting votes for Nader the last two election.


I really don't think you understand "American exceptionalism" without Cheney or Palin on the GOP ticket.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Pfft!

I grew up in the birthplace of socialism in North America, where the government nationalized large tracks of the economy out of ideology, not necessity. Ain't nothing like that here.

You mean it's different up in canuckville?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Did collective ownership buy the corporation, company, business while outlaying millions for emergency contingencies? Did the state take over the corporation and allow employee ownership? You need to stipulate or elaborate on your question.

 

[The T]

IOW, you cannot answer my question of why the collective means of ownership is a bad thing.


IOW, you are trolling me. Bye.

Be it known that what you pupport isn't the American WAY...It's 180 out of the Founders.

That is why I supported Bob Barr during the last election?

AND *I* was supposed to know? ANY of us were supposed to know?

For fuck's sake I was happier casting votes for Nader the last two election

.

I really don't think you understand "American exceptionalism" without Cheney or Palin on the GOP ticket.

As a matter of course? *I DO*. Neither tickles or do my fancy.

Neither is a Reagan, or a Lincoln...there aren't many if any that do...

I am looking at Herman Cain...Allen West...virtual NEW voices...apart from what the Media decides...as they tend to do...

 

[Finnguy]

When the state is taxing you at an excessive percent rate, in essence, they do own you. I want no part of Sweden, Europe, etc.

And interesting that SOME EU 'States' are backtracking...It's become unsustainable...lest they end up as Greece? Spain?

Exactly. They dont want to become the P.I.G.S.

They aren't backtracking, they are adjusting the way they spend money. They are spending more on subsidized childcare and giving tax breaks to parents so they can afford to spend more on education, infrastructure, healthcare, and welfare in the future. Lets just face it, we will never be as nice of a place to live as Europe.

 

[Truthmatters]

Sharp Drop in American Enthusiasm for Free Market, Poll Shows - World Public Opinion


heres some facts for you on what American think.

This may scare you a little bit but realise these numbers are down in correlation with the crash which your party presided over.

Deregulation is the biggest danger for the health of our capitalist system.

Note? "World Public OPINION"

Whom gives a tinker's DAMN what the rest of the world thinks...?

Listen closely , that is the name of the organization that does these polls.

They polled only Americans about their feelings.


When GlobeScan began tracking views in 2002, four in five Americans (80%) saw the free market as the best economic system for the future--the highest level of support among tracking countries. Support started to fall away in the following years and recovered slightly after the financial crisis in 2007/8, but has plummeted since 2009, falling 15 points in a year so that fewer than three in five (59%) now see free market capitalism as the best system for the future.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

And interesting that SOME EU 'States' are backtracking...It's become unsustainable...lest they end up as Greece? Spain?

Exactly. They dont want to become the P.I.G.S.

They aren't backtracking, they are adjusting the way they spend money. They are spending more on subsidized childcare and giving tax breaks to parents so they can afford to spend more on education, infrastructure, healthcare, and welfare in the future. Lets just face it, we will never be as nice of a place to live as Europe.

They don't have the money. But let's really face it, Europe is a collectivists utopian wet dream. I'll stay here and work my ass off, thanks.

 

[Antiderivative]

I am looking at Herman Cain...Allen West...virtual NEW voices...apart from what the Media decides...as they tend to do...

Good. You are a good man.

However, most people are shitbgas. They do not understand why they are voting.

 

[Antiderivative]

They don't have the money. But let's really face it, Europe is a collectivists utopian wet dream. I'll stay here and work my ass off, thanks.

Europeans spend less on HC than we do.

 

[Truthmatters]

I find it very intersting that since the crash fewer Americans like capitalism.

The people killing our caplitalism are the ones who are insisting that we deregulate and providing the boom bust cycle that used to pervade our country Before glass steagal.

 

[Antiderivative]

Why do RW'ers hate Thomas Paine?

 

[Truthmatters]

because he was a liberal

 

[logical4u]

blah, blah, blah....more rw kook nonsense from you.

Socialism is when workers own the means of production. Please enlighten us on:

1. Why this is bad.

2. Why this is not occurring.

Socialism is "bad" because:

it puts the "rights" of the community above the "rights" of individuals

it does not recognize "private property".

Just think were that leads....

 

[logical4u]

Socialist Power in America

Yawn.

And thus the right in America is the combination of fascists, reactionaries, conservatives, and the Republican Party.

You’ve got Skin Heads/Aryan Nation, the KKK, and a wide assortment of nitwit militia groups whose members belong to the GOP and/or vote republican – none of that is representative of the party as a whole, however.

Good point! Now would you care to show where any of the above groups are "influencing" our laws? How about showing us where they are "legally", "targeting" a group of people, like the facists, socialists and communists are?