Socialist Power in America

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    1. "The DSA [Democratic Socialists of America] is a political action committee and bills itself as the heir to the defunct Socialist Party of America. It's chief organizing objective is to work within the Democratic Party as the primary, but not sole, method of achieving public ownership of private property and the means of production.
    "Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an internal organizing document obtained by WND.

    "Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an internal organizing document obtained by WND. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals." In October 2009, the DSA newsletter reported that 70 congressional Democrats are active members.

    2. ... links include Mother Jones magazine, Moveon.org, OneWorld, The Nation magazine, ACORN and the Institute for Policy Studies.
    "Many socialists have seen the Democratic Party, since at least the New Deal, as the key political arena in which to consolidate this coalition, because the Democratic Party held the allegiance of our natural allies," the group states in the "Where we stand" section of its website.

    "Through control of the government by the Democratic Party coalition, led by anti-corporate forces, a progressive program regulating the corporations, redistributing income, fostering economic growth and expanding social programs could be realized."
    In addition to a national program of "massive redistribution of income from corporations and the wealthy to wage earners and the poor and the public sector," the DSA also calls for a breaking down the American-style notions of nationalism and national sovereignty.

    a. Democratic socialists are dedicated to building truly international social movements – of unionists, environmentalists, feminists, and people of color – that together can elevate global justice over brutalizing global competition."

    b. While the DSA tries to paint distinctions between its brand of socialism and communism, before scrubbing its website following the WND expose 12 years ago, the site included a song list that included:

    "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of Communism and socialism.
    "Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin," with these lyrics: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..."

    "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" Lyrics included: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a longtime member of the Progressive Caucus and served on the executive committee. She was not, however, listed last year as a member of the DSA.
    How many socialists sit in Congress today? How many socialists sit in Congress today?

    3. Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was founded in 1991 by Bernie Sanders-the openly socialist then Congressman from Vermont, Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and the radical Washington DC based "think tank" Institute for Policy Studies (IPS). Many members were and continue to be linked to DSA and/or the Communist Party USA, IPS or other radical organizations.
    From small beginnings the CPC has grown to embrace more than 80 members of Congress and three in the Senate. Congressional Progressive Caucus - KeyWiki

    4. In more recent years, the Congressional Progressive Caucus has gone underground in respect to their connection to the Democratic Socialists of America. Their roster is no longer published on the DSA website and they no longer publicly acknowledge their loyalty to the socialist organization. In the DSA document, "Electoral Politics As Tactic — Elections Statement 2000," it states:

    "DSA recognizes that some insurgent politicians representing labor, environmentalists, gays and lesbians, and communities of color may choose to run under Democratic auspices... and the 59 Democratic members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, one-half of whom are Black and Latino and all of whom possess strong labor backing and operative social democratic politics."
    In the simplest of terms, Socialists at every level of government are calling for the federal government takeover of the management of American business, health care, education and the American family.

    a. Ludwig von Mises wrote: "On the other hand the application of the basic ideas of collectivism cannot result in anything but social disintegration and the perpetuation of armed conflict. It is true that every variety of collectivism promises eternal peace starting with the day of its own decisive victory and the final overthrow and extermination of all other ideologies and their supporters. ... As soon as a faction has succeeded in winning the support of the majority of citizens and thereby attained control of the government machine, it is free to deny to the minority all those democratic rights by means of which it itself has previously carried on its own struggle for supremacy." [The Fallacy of Collectivism] Socialists in the House: the Progressive Caucus

    Thus, the Left in America is the combination of socialists, communists, progressives and the Democratic Party.

    While there are many, I am sure, who subscribe to some aspects of the programs and agendas of these groups, it is essential that all recognize that giving power to even parts of this collective will empower all of their programs.
     
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    blah, blah, blah....more rw kook nonsense from you.

    Socialism is when workers own the means of production. Please enlighten us on:

    1. Why this is bad.

    2. Why this is not occurring.
     
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    they somehow think it illegal in this country.
     
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    Yawn.

    And thus the right in America is the combination of fascists, reactionaries, conservatives, and the Republican Party.

    You’ve got Skin Heads/Aryan Nation, the KKK, and a wide assortment of nitwit militia groups whose members belong to the GOP and/or vote republican – none of that is representative of the party as a whole, however.
     
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    1.Socialism is a method of achieving public ownership of private property and the means of production.
    I believe in free markets and capitalism as the proven method of improving the condition of individuals and of nations.

    2. From the OP: "Through control of the government by the Democratic Party coalition, led by anti-corporate forces, a progressive program regulating the corporations, redistributing income, fostering economic growth and expanding social programs could be realized."
    This command-and-control form of economy has been shown to produce shortages, poor quality and poverty.

    3. From the OP: " DSA also calls for a breaking down the American-style notions of nationalism and national sovereignty."
    For myself, and for most Americans, nationalism and the concomitant sovereignty are superior to one-world-government.

    4. "... international social movements..." See item #3.

    5. Socialism is closely allied with communism, as seen in the following:
    "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of Communism and socialism.
    "Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin," with these lyrics: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..."

    "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" Lyrics included: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

    If you were otherwise involved, and missed the fact that over one hundred million of our fellow human beings were slaughtered by communist movements in the previous century, I strongly suggest Courtois, et. al.'s scholarly work, "The Black Book of Communism."

    If you hurry, the copy that I returned to the library on Friday might still be available.

    6. Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was founded in 1991 by Bernie Sanders, a socialist, and has some 83 members in Congress. That information, while useless to you, would be useful to folks who believe in the America of the Constitution and the Founders.

    7. Clearly there are many who find socialism and communism inimical to the principles of the United States of America...and so the Left goes to great extents to hide their true goals. That can be seen in the statement: "Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals."
    The link is in the OP.
    Seems a plan, to use the youth and inexperience of the young against them, eh?

    8. In summary, "Socialists at every level of government are calling for the federal government takeover of the management of American business, health care, education and the American family."
    I believe in individual liberty.


    And, a conjecture on style, I note that those on the Left are fearful of standing alone in support of their beliefs.
    Therefore, they, you, regularly write as though spokesperson for some large group of ubiquitious thinkers....using "us" or "we" as both a technique and a shield.

    From your post: "Please enlighten us on..."

    Speak for yourself.
     
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    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


    Im sceeerrrrddd of soicialists


    I just did my best political chick impression
     
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    Welcome to the board.

    Let me correct your statement.
    The totalists, that would be the Leftists, as defined by a belief in government power over individual rights includes socialists, communists, progressives, liberals, as well as fascists.


    "Skin Heads/Aryan Nation, the KKK, and a wide assortment of nitwit militia groups whose members belong to the GOP and/or vote republican –..."
    Link?


    "...none of that is representative of the party as a whole, however."
    Reasonable.
     
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    Imitation is said to be the sincerest form of flattery.
    Thanks so much.
     
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    Indeed. And as to lumping into groups? Completely against the Individual as they think NO man is an Island...but then I would contend that No MAN is a WOMAN either...

    It's idiotic thinking on the part of the left. Every human is unique unto themselves, and part of the Doctrine of The Declaration, and the Constitution, that was fought for and won the day courtesy of the Forefathers of this Republic.
     
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    Socialism is not statism. There are many socialists who are anarchists (go read Proudhon).

    Anyways, you never answered my question. Why is worker ownership over the means of production a bad thing?

    However, you are just a dumbass rw kook who comes up with moronic arguments based off of ignorance who negs people who disagrees with their worldview. I really don't expect an honest answer from you. In fact, I expect a hostile attack based off of ignorance.
     
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