Socialism leads to....?

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    Lets go back to the late 1800's.

    A period in our history where it's safe we experience the greatest innovation and growth the world has ever seen. If you've been watching The Men Who Built America you'll know what I'm referring to.

    The railroad system, electric light, gasoline, the mass-produced automobile, steel, and more. All because a few men had a relentless desire to succeed, whether from good-will or greed.

    And while working conditions did get pretty bad for the workers, the fact still remains that it was the greatest period of growth and innovation we've ever seen. My question is;

    What would have happened under socialism? How would the innovation have come if the freedom of success and accumulation of wealth (or greed) that drove men like Vanderbilt, Morgan, Carnegie, Rockefeller, and Ford didn't exist?

    Is it fair to say that under socialism, where people simply work for the collective good of others, that we'd probably still be taking horses to work and lighting candles at night?
     
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    It is? Is it fair to say that?

    Is it also fair to say that the federal government played a key role in the growth of industry during that period?

    Is it fair to say that you are willing to allow poor working conditions if it leads to industrial growth?

    You assume much with your bullshit. Too bad we cannot assume that you even know what socialism is.

    Yup. That's fair.
     
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    All you have to do is look at the earth changing inovation that has come out of western Europe in the last 60 years. Personally I can't think of one.
     
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    They did. By simply allowing it to happen.

    Not to mention the government itself had to be bailed out by $65 Million from JP Morgan during that time. Which would equal a few billion in today's money.

    I never said it was fair. They just didn't know any better and there weren't any regulations set during that time. The fact is, they would have been able to achieve the same results even if they provided adequate pay and conditions to their workers. Henry Ford is the prime example.

    Now tell me, how would that have been possible under socialism?

    You seem to call my ideas BS, yet can't come up with a valid argument yourself.
     
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    Really? I wonder why THAT is? Couldn't be a complete lack of awareness of or interest in Western European culture on your part, could it?
     
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    Socialism ALWAYS fails, demand out strips supply....and then Communism kicks in because the people revolt and the Gov is forced to rule with the gun.
     
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    Your examplles would be???? Or do you need time to find something on the computer.
     
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    I figured you would have retracted that stupid statement by now. Instead, you are actually challenging me to provide examples of European innovation.
     
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    :lmao: Paraffin heaters are oh, so innovative.
     

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