Socialism and the purpose of government

[progressive hunter]

you do what you want,,,I will stand and fight for it till I cant,,,

not sure about yours but my children deserve better

The fight (at least the political one) is over, the statists won....I suggest stocking up on non-perishable foodstuffs and ammunition.


‘America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.’

lets just say I am a little more optimistic than you are,,,thats why I dont vote for dems or repubes

 

[Oddball]

you do what you want,,,I will stand and fight for it till I cant,,,

not sure about yours but my children deserve better

The fight (at least the political one) is over, the statists won....I suggest stocking up on non-perishable foodstuffs and ammunition.


‘America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.’

lets just say I am a little more optimistic than you are,,,thats why I dont vote for dems or repubes

I haven't voted at all since 2000....Even the outsider Trump is steeped in the myth of the omniscient and omnipotent State....I predict that the collapse will either happen as a matter of course during his reign, or be engineered so that the blame is put upon him.

Much the optimist that I am in general, there's no easy way out, and the ruling class will need a scapegoat.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

you do what you want,,,I will stand and fight for it till I cant,,,
not sure about yours but my children deserve better

Define what YOU mean by "Fight for it"..............

Does that mean joining forums and telling Progs how dumb they are, or is there more?

Do you......

1). Vote in EVERY national election?
2). Join protests?
3). Avoid supporting Prog deep pockets by working to not spend money on their revenue sources?
4). Actively vote to remove senators and Representatives in your districts who fail to uphold the Constitution? (are there any that still do?)
5). Put chewing gum on the soles of all Progressives shoes?
6). Know (off the top of your head) at least 5 businesses in your community that are in full support of Progressive ideals, and avoid them faithfully?

If you don't do at least 2 of the above, you may not be the "fighter" you claim to be.

 

[Moonglow]

Why did the referee give farmers 32 billion dollars last year?


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Are you really still confused by this?
Government is supposed to invest the people’s money back into the shit that matters, the shit the people agree with investing in....NOBODY contributing agrees with paying ShaQuita and Guadalupe to increase the size of their litters but everybody contributing agrees with investing in our food sources...Sucks huh?

Who else is gonna pay for your social security payments?

 

[progressive hunter]

you do what you want,,,I will stand and fight for it till I cant,,,
not sure about yours but my children deserve better

Define what YOU mean by "Fight for it"..............

Does that mean joining forums and telling Progs how dumb they are, or is there more?

Do you......

1). Vote in EVERY national election?
2). Join protests?
3). Avoid supporting Prog deep pockets by working to not spend money on their revenue sources?
4). Actively vote to remove senators and Representatives in your districts who fail to uphold the Constitution? (are there any that still do?)
5). Put chewing gum on the soles of all Progressives shoes?
6). Know (off the top of your head) at least 5 businesses in your community that are in full support of Progressive ideals, and avoid them faithfully?

If you don't do at least 2 of the above 5, you may not be the "fighter" you claim to be.

all of them except the chewing gum,,,and more


I talk to every person I see, and ask those that dont vote to at least register and vote 3rd party just to get counted as not voting for the 2 monster partys,,,

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I haven't voted at all since 2000....Even the outsider Trump is steeped in the myth of the omniscient and omnipotent State....I predict that the collapse will either happen as a matter of course during his reign, or be engineered so that the blame is put upon him.

Much the optimist that I am in general, there's no easy way out, and the ruling class will need a scapegoat.

I can understand why you don't vote.
I'm just not totally sure yet if you're right.

With all the corruption seen at voting places....I tend to believe that they have not yet fully compromised the voting process.
We see Senators and Representatives win by very few votes. So I think voting still has some value.

For now.

Let Dems get the WH and the senate again and that ends imo.

 

[progressive hunter]

you do what you want,,,I will stand and fight for it till I cant,,,
not sure about yours but my children deserve better

Define what YOU mean by "Fight for it"..............

Does that mean joining forums and telling Progs how dumb they are, or is there more?

Do you......

1). Vote in EVERY national election?
2). Join protests?
3). Avoid supporting Prog deep pockets by working to not spend money on their revenue sources?
4). Actively vote to remove senators and Representatives in your districts who fail to uphold the Constitution? (are there any that still do?)
5). Put chewing gum on the soles of all Progressives shoes?
6). Know (off the top of your head) at least 5 businesses in your community that are in full support of Progressive ideals, and avoid them faithfully?

If you don't do at least 2 of the above, you may not be the "fighter" you claim to be.

and as a contractor have not taken work from certain people and once walked off a 20K job after the person tried preaching about Obamacare to me

 

[Oddball]

I haven't voted at all since 2000....Even the outsider Trump is steeped in the myth of the omniscient and omnipotent State....I predict that the collapse will either happen as a matter of course during his reign, or be engineered so that the blame is put upon him.

Much the optimist that I am in general, there's no easy way out, and the ruling class will need a scapegoat.

I can understand why you don't vote.
I'm just not totally sure yet if you're right.

With all the corruption seen at voting places....I tend to believe that they have not yet fully compromised the voting process.
We see Senators and Representatives win by very few votes. So I think voting still has some value.

For now.

Let Dems get the WH and the senate again and that ends imo.

If your vote had any value, you wouldn't have it at all.....The republicans -the long time ruling class variety- have been as much an obstacle to Trump's agenda as have been democrats...Not that his relatively timid agenda has been great shakes to begin with....Couple this with the fact that he is surrounded with swamp reptiles (Bolton & Haspel are prime examples and I don't even trust Pence), and it's pretty easy to see that some in the ruling class are willing to bide their time and monkey wrench the designs he has on "draining the swamp".

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

If your vote had any value, you wouldn't have it at all.....The republicans -the long time ruling class variety- have been as much an obstacle to Trump's agenda as have been democrats...Not that his relatively timid agenda has been great shakes to begin with....Couple this with the fact that he is surrounded with swamp reptiles (Bolton & Haspel are prime examples and I don't even trust Pence), and it's pretty easy to see that some in the ruling class are willing to bide their time and monkey wrench the designs he has on "draining the swamp".

Ok, if you're not gonna vote then make a difference and at LEAST do number 5 in post #23 above.

In all seriousness, the ONLY way left that the swamp will ever get "drained" was long ago stated by Thomas Jefferson.....

"Occasionally The Tree of Liberty Must be refreshed by the Blood of Tyrants and Patriots.................."

We got PLENTY Tyrants !!!!
The number of true patriots remaining could all fit in a donut shop

 

[Oddball]

If your vote had any value, you wouldn't have it at all.....The republicans -the long time ruling class variety- have been as much an obstacle to Trump's agenda as have been democrats...Not that his relatively timid agenda has been great shakes to begin with....Couple this with the fact that he is surrounded with swamp reptiles (Bolton & Haspel are prime examples and I don't even trust Pence), and it's pretty easy to see that some in the ruling class are willing to bide their time and monkey wrench the designs he has on "draining the swamp".

Ok, if you're not gonna vote then make a difference and at LEAST do number 5 in post #23 above.

Meh...I'll just continue stocking up my bolt hole and cultivating beneficial relationships with like-minded neighbors.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I haven't voted at all since 2000....Even the outsider Trump is steeped in the myth of the omniscient and omnipotent State....I predict that the collapse will either happen as a matter of course during his reign, or be engineered so that the blame is put upon him.

Much the optimist that I am in general, there's no easy way out, and the ruling class will need a scapegoat.

I can understand why you don't vote.
I'm just not totally sure yet if you're right.

With all the corruption seen at voting places....I tend to believe that they have not yet fully compromised the voting process.
We see Senators and Representatives win by very few votes. So I think voting still has some value.

For now.

Let Dems get the WH and the senate again and that ends imo.

If your vote had any value, you wouldn't have it at all.....The republicans -the long time ruling class variety- have been as much an obstacle to Trump's agenda as have been democrats...Not that his relatively timid agenda has been great shakes to begin with....Couple this with the fact that he is surrounded with swamp reptiles (Bolton & Haspel are prime examples and I don't even trust Pence), and it's pretty easy to see that some in the ruling class are willing to bide their time and monkey wrench the designs he has on "draining the swamp".

Did it occur to you he never had any real desire to drain the swamp and it was just campaign talk to garner votes?



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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why did the referee give farmers 32 billion dollars last year?

Because the referee needs to be kicked in the fucking balls.

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[BasicHumanUnit]

Did it occur to you he never had any real desire to drain the swamp and it was just campaign talk to garner votes?

I've said that here many times.
If ONLY Americans weren't so manipulated and we ALL would vote 3rd party just ONE time.
Then we'd get proof positive of the extent of the corruption.

I vote for senators and Representatives and locals as well.

The Establishment is savvy at pitting Americans against Americans, so we never focus on the REAL problem.....THEM !

Many of us know the game is rigged...but we're stuck in it and beholden to it.
They've got us ALL by the private parts and are laughing all the way to the banks.

Wachovia = "Watch-Ova-Ya"
CitiBank = Shitty Bank
Chase = "Chase the crumbs, suckers"
Bank America = "Shank America"

The US government has used the banks against We The People for a LONG time now.
Which is why we're subjected to $35 to $40 for an overdraft that costs the banks next to nothing.(banks rake in billions annually on just that)
And why when things get bad for Americans, they bail out THE BANKS!

 

[Edgetho]

The debate over whether we should have more, or less, socialism in US government is largely a debate over the purpose of government. Socialists "believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically". That might sound relatively innocuous. But it's a radical claim, one we should consider seriously before indulging a more socialistic government.

The libertarian roots of the United States contradict this belief. In the US, neither society, nor the economy, is run democratically. Each is run collaboratively, voluntarily, by the individuals who make up society. Government merely serves as a "referee". Socialists want government to be the "coach".

dimocraps are scum

 

[Edgetho]

Did it occur to you he never had any real desire to drain the swamp and it was just campaign talk to garner votes?

I've said that here many times.
If ONLY Americans weren't so manipulated and we ALL would vote 3rd party just ONE time.
Then we'd get proof positive of the extent of the corruption.

I vote for senators and Representatives and locals as well.

The Establishment is savvy at pitting Americans against Americans, so we never focus on the REAL problem.....THEM !

Many of us know the game is rigged...but we're stuck in it and beholden to it.
They've got us ALL by the private parts and are laughing all the way to the banks.

Wachovia = "Watch-Ova-Ya"
CitiBank = Shitty Bank
Chase = "Chase the crumbs, suckers"
Bank America = "Shank America"

The US government has used the banks against We The People for a LONG time now.
Which is why we're subjected to $35 to $40 for an overdraft that costs the banks next to nothing.
And why when things get bad for Americans, they bail out THE BANKS!

We DID vote Third Party.

Anybody that thinks Trump is a typical Republican is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.

And, OBTW, Trump is proving you to be correct re the corruption. Open your eyes.

The problem is, you, like so many others, are being lead around by your nose by the DISGUSTING FILTH in the Media.

Wake up.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Meh...I'll just continue stocking up my bolt hole and cultivating beneficial relationships with like-minded neighbors.

That's a very "isolationists" ideal.
"It's not bothering me personally so I'm gonna just look the other way." WW2 was a result of that idealism.
Hitler banked on the US remaining out of it until Germany had subdued all it's allies....and it might have worked....till Japan bombed Pearl harbor.

You can do that, but remember, when enough people do exactly that same thing, you get what we're getting and it's gonna get MUCH worse.
With between 100,000 - 500,000 illegals entering the US each month, and Progs and the establishment killing the Constitution, the clock is running out and you WILL NOT be able to shoot your way out of the mess or hide from it. Eventually they will come for your guns, then your stash, and you'll hand them over quietly.

But ok.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

We DID vote Third Party.
Anybody that thinks Trump is a typical Republican is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
And, OBTW, Trump is proving you to be correct re the corruption. Open your eyes.
The problem is, you, like so many others, are being lead around by your nose by the DISGUSTING FILTH in the Media.
Wake up.

Prove that.....or move along.
You make blanket statements without any idea why. And you're wrong.

But ok. If you say so.

 

[Edgetho]

Meh...I'll just continue stocking up my bolt hole and cultivating beneficial relationships with like-minded neighbors.

That's a very "isolationists" ideal.
"It's not bothering me personally so I'm gonna just look the other way." WW2 was a result of that idealism.
Hitler banked on the US remaining out of it until Germany had subdued all it's allies....and it might have worked....till Japan bombed Pearl harbor.

You can do that, but remember, when enough people do exactly that same thing, you get what we're getting and it's gonna get MUCH worse.
With between 100,000 - 500,000 illegals entering the US each month, and Progs and the establishment killing the Constitution, the clock is running out and you WILL NOT be able to shoot your way out of the mess or hide from it. Eventually they will come for your guns, then your stash, and you'll hand them over quietly.

But ok.

Hitler wasn't the least bit worried about the US.

By the time we had any real impact on the Wehrmacht, Russia had already won the war in Europe. The Luftwaffe was another story. We kinda messed them up. But not nearly as badly as the Russians did.

The US defeated Japan, Britain defeated the Italians and Russia defeated Germany.

We didn't even get to Northern Europe until about 6 Months before the War was all but over.

Hitler lost WWII in Russia

dimocraps are scum

 

[Oddball]

Meh...I'll just continue stocking up my bolt hole and cultivating beneficial relationships with like-minded neighbors.

That's a very "isolationists" ideal.
"It's not bothering me personally so I'm gonna just look the other way." WW2 was a result of that idealism.
Hitler banked on the US remaining out of it until Germany had subdued all it's allies....and it might have worked....till Japan bombed Pearl harbor.

You can do that, but remember, when enough people do exactly that same thing, you get what we're getting and it's gonna get MUCH worse.
With between 100,000 - 500,000 illegals entering the US each month, and Progs and the establishment killing the Constitution, the clock is running out and you WILL NOT be able to shoot your way out of the mess or hide from it. Eventually they will come for your guns, then your stash, and you'll hand them over quietly.

But ok.

Now you're just scaremongering like a statist...."Isolationist" is a pejorative invented by Wilsonians, in order to demonize those who wanted Murica to mind its own business....I've already stated that I believe the Constitution is a dead letter, so that tactic has no emotional power whatsoever to move me.

Things aren't going to get better via the political process, because there's no incentive for them to do so...Solve a problem and you remove your power base...This is as certain a cause-effect relationship as are the laws of inertia....Things are going to get worse and there's not a goddamned thing that the political process is going to do to stop it.

 

[Edgetho]

We DID vote Third Party.
Anybody that thinks Trump is a typical Republican is too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
And, OBTW, Trump is proving you to be correct re the corruption. Open your eyes.
The problem is, you, like so many others, are being lead around by your nose by the DISGUSTING FILTH in the Media.
Wake up.

Prove that.....or move along.
You make blanket statements without any idea why. And you're wrong.

But ok. If you say so.

I am under no obligation to prove anything to you, fuckboy.

You can believe it or you can pass it by.

Now go make your bed and think about what you're gonna make for dinner tonight as you watch daytime TV.