So, you say you would let us keep 10 round magazines? You are liars...

[candycorn]

Also...most revolvers hold 6 bullets....this now scoops them up......it would also end concealed carry, since almost all of the compact and sub compact guns hold more than 5 bullets........

this is a back door gun ban...and it needs to be stopped.....

This is exactly what the Judge in California pointed out when he put a stay on the California magazine ban...

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content...rra_Order-Granting-Preliminary-Injunction.pdf

(n) a slippery slope
What is clear from the preliminary evidence presented is that individuals who intend to engage in mass gun violence typically make plans. They use multiple weapons and come loaded with extra ammunition.
They pick the place and the time and do much harm before police can intervene. Persons with violent intentions have used large capacity magazines, machine guns, hand grenades and pipe bombs, notwithstanding laws criminalizing their possession or use.
Trying to legislatively outlaw the commonly possessed weapon de jour is like wearing flip flops on a slippery slope.
A downhill slide is not hard to foresee.
Tragically, when 30-round magazines are banned, attackers will use 15 or 17- round magazines.
If magazines holding more than 10 rounds are banned they will use multiple 10-round magazines.


If all semi-automatic weapons are banned they will use shotguns and revolvers.


All of these scenarios already occur.

Because revolvers and handguns are the quintessential home defense weapon protected by the Second Amendment and specifically approved in Heller, and because the average defensive gun use involves firing 2.2 rounds (according to the State’s experts), states could rationalize a ban on possession of rounds in excess of three per weapon.

Criminals intent on 13 violence would then equip themselves with multiple weapons.
The State could then rationalize a one-weapon-per-individual law.

Since “merely” brandishing a firearm is usually effective as a defense to criminal attack (according to the State’s experts), it could be argued that a one-revolver-with-one-round-per-individual ban is a reasonable experiment in state police power as a means to protect citizens and law enforcement officers from gun violence.


Statutes disarming law-abiding responsible citizen gun owners reflect an opinion on gun policy.

Courts are not free to impose their own policy choices on sovereign states.

But as Heller explains, the Second Amendment takes certain policy choices and removes them beyond the realm of debate. Disarming California’s law-abiding citizenry is not a constitutionally-permissible policy choice.

And you can keep what you have we just aren’t making them anymore.

Because when 6 blacks home invade you, all you need is 5 bullets, amirite? Sorry, I was just watching this documentary about a home invasion gang in Detroit. Not only did they come 6 deep, they had automatic weapons ..machine guns and body armor.

Outlawing the good weapons for citizens doesn't stop criminals from getting them.

If they come that deep you’re dead.

And you are wrong because most criminals find these weapons and steal them from your homes. If we don’t sell you ten round clips then criminals won’t get their hands on your shit.

These idjits think their arguments are original. Actually, these same arguments were done in 1933 and 1934 over the Thompson SMG. This is why that law looked so peculiar. They didn't go out and actively seek the Thompsons. They Grandfathered them in. It made it illegal to manufacture them, make replacement parts for them, sell them, trade them, bequeath them. But if you had one, you didn't have to go turn it in. But in the event of a crime, they did gather those weapons up and destroy them. Like many other Fully Auto Weapons, the Thompson required quite a bit of maintenance but without replacement parts as the broke, the became wall hangars. For awhile, the ones in the homes were prime targets for criminals to steal. But after a period of time, that supply dried up since no replacements were forthcoming. It took about 10 years before the problem was finally taken care of. And even today, that same law deals with the same problem the same way is is quite effective.

I’m sure someone said the same thing about seat belts when they were made mandatory. “What’s next?”

 

[danielpalos]

Here we have a bill from Oregon...banning all magazines that hold more than 5 bullets. The anti gunners can't help themeselves...they can lie all day long that they only want "common sense" gun laws, but their irrational fear of guns will drive them to ban them when they get the power. Here we see the lie that is the "we will let you keep your 10 round magazines." By banning anything over 5, they are banning all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.....a back door ban without having to expose themselves to a ban against the actual guns...

Instead of making a law that would actually impact criminals...this law is directed at law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, they have not used their gun to harm anyone...but they will become criminals for mere possession of a piece of equipment that has been in existence since the creation of guns capable of semi auto fire.......

We know what you want, we know who you are......lie all you want, your lies are known to us....

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

Prohibits possession of magazine with capacity to hold more than five rounds of ammunition. Provides that person in possession of such magazine must sell or otherwise dispose of magazine within 180 days of effective date of Act. Punishes unlawful possession of magazine capable of holding more than five rounds by maximum of 364 days’ imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both

Why condone sloth in Government. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[2aguy]

Here we have a bill from Oregon...banning all magazines that hold more than 5 bullets. The anti gunners can't help themeselves...they can lie all day long that they only want "common sense" gun laws, but their irrational fear of guns will drive them to ban them when they get the power. Here we see the lie that is the "we will let you keep your 10 round magazines." By banning anything over 5, they are banning all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.....a back door ban without having to expose themselves to a ban against the actual guns...

Instead of making a law that would actually impact criminals...this law is directed at law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, they have not used their gun to harm anyone...but they will become criminals for mere possession of a piece of equipment that has been in existence since the creation of guns capable of semi auto fire.......

We know what you want, we know who you are......lie all you want, your lies are known to us....

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

Prohibits possession of magazine with capacity to hold more than five rounds of ammunition. Provides that person in possession of such magazine must sell or otherwise dispose of magazine within 180 days of effective date of Act. Punishes unlawful possession of magazine capable of holding more than five rounds by maximum of 364 days’ imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both

Learn to shoot.

I just had a great idea. When you are in your teens you get a muzzleloader and that's it. Shotgun and handguns at 21. You can buy a clip type gun when you are 40. If we can say you can't buy a gun till 21 who says we can't raise the age on when you can buy a semi auto? I say at 50 you can own one of these.

Yes....you are a fascist...we get it...you don't have to keep reminding us....

 

[2aguy]

None of these gun “control” measures are aimed at reducing crime. It serves only to criminalize gun owners, and render the populace incapable of resisting government henchmen...

Why would they/we want to criminalize gun owners? I myself am a gun owner you fucking fool. I have a muzzleloader, a 4 shot powerful ruger 450 american made bushmaster, a handgun with 5 shots and a 410 one shot shotgun.

You may not believe these measures will accomplish the goal but to question what our aim is makes you look like a fucking tool.

Your such a right wing retard you've gone from thinking these things won't work to thinking we are pushing these things for sinister reasons. You're mad. Mad I tell you.

We know what your aim is, ending private gun ownership. Yes...you will lie about it...but we know who you are and we know what you want.....

 

[sealybobo]

None of these gun “control” measures are aimed at reducing crime. It serves only to criminalize gun owners, and render the populace incapable of resisting government henchmen...

Why would they/we want to criminalize gun owners? I myself am a gun owner you fucking fool. I have a muzzleloader, a 4 shot powerful ruger 450 american made bushmaster, a handgun with 5 shots and a 410 one shot shotgun.

You may not believe these measures will accomplish the goal but to question what our aim is makes you look like a fucking tool.

Your such a right wing retard you've gone from thinking these things won't work to thinking we are pushing these things for sinister reasons. You're mad. Mad I tell you.

We know what your aim is, ending private gun ownership. Yes...you will lie about it...but we know who you are and we know what you want.....

Well you are talking to a gun owner so since you can't have a rational conversation about this maybe I should just tell you to fuck off then?

Yes, I want to take away your guns. I'm coming bitch!

 

[sealybobo]

Here we have a bill from Oregon...banning all magazines that hold more than 5 bullets. The anti gunners can't help themeselves...they can lie all day long that they only want "common sense" gun laws, but their irrational fear of guns will drive them to ban them when they get the power. Here we see the lie that is the "we will let you keep your 10 round magazines." By banning anything over 5, they are banning all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.....a back door ban without having to expose themselves to a ban against the actual guns...

Instead of making a law that would actually impact criminals...this law is directed at law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, they have not used their gun to harm anyone...but they will become criminals for mere possession of a piece of equipment that has been in existence since the creation of guns capable of semi auto fire.......

We know what you want, we know who you are......lie all you want, your lies are known to us....

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

Prohibits possession of magazine with capacity to hold more than five rounds of ammunition. Provides that person in possession of such magazine must sell or otherwise dispose of magazine within 180 days of effective date of Act. Punishes unlawful possession of magazine capable of holding more than five rounds by maximum of 364 days’ imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both

Learn to shoot.

I just had a great idea. When you are in your teens you get a muzzleloader and that's it. Shotgun and handguns at 21. You can buy a clip type gun when you are 40. If we can say you can't buy a gun till 21 who says we can't raise the age on when you can buy a semi auto? I say at 50 you can own one of these.

Yes....you are a fascist...we get it...you don't have to keep reminding us....

Gimme your gun you pussy mother fucker!

 

[2aguy]

Here we have a bill from Oregon...banning all magazines that hold more than 5 bullets. The anti gunners can't help themeselves...they can lie all day long that they only want "common sense" gun laws, but their irrational fear of guns will drive them to ban them when they get the power. Here we see the lie that is the "we will let you keep your 10 round magazines." By banning anything over 5, they are banning all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.....a back door ban without having to expose themselves to a ban against the actual guns...

Instead of making a law that would actually impact criminals...this law is directed at law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, they have not used their gun to harm anyone...but they will become criminals for mere possession of a piece of equipment that has been in existence since the creation of guns capable of semi auto fire.......

We know what you want, we know who you are......lie all you want, your lies are known to us....

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

Prohibits possession of magazine with capacity to hold more than five rounds of ammunition. Provides that person in possession of such magazine must sell or otherwise dispose of magazine within 180 days of effective date of Act. Punishes unlawful possession of magazine capable of holding more than five rounds by maximum of 364 days’ imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both

Learn to shoot.

I just had a great idea. When you are in your teens you get a muzzleloader and that's it. Shotgun and handguns at 21. You can buy a clip type gun when you are 40. If we can say you can't buy a gun till 21 who says we can't raise the age on when you can buy a semi auto? I say at 50 you can own one of these.

Yes....you are a fascist...we get it...you don't have to keep reminding us....

Gimme your gun you pussy mother fucker!

So...you were saying about a rational conversation?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

None of these gun “control” measures are aimed at reducing crime. It serves only to criminalize gun owners, and render the populace incapable of resisting government henchmen...

Why would they/we want to criminalize gun owners? I myself am a gun owner you fucking fool. I have a muzzleloader, a 4 shot powerful ruger 450 american made bushmaster, a handgun with 5 shots and a 410 one shot shotgun.

You may not believe these measures will accomplish the goal but to question what our aim is makes you look like a fucking tool.

Your such a right wing retard you've gone from thinking these things won't work to thinking we are pushing these things for sinister reasons. You're mad. Mad I tell you.

We know what your aim is, ending private gun ownership. Yes...you will lie about it...but we know who you are and we know what you want.....

Well you are talking to a gun owner so since you can't have a rational conversation about this maybe I should just tell you to fuck off then?

Yes, I want to take away your guns. I'm coming bitch!

You want to borrow my black chopper and black panel van?

 

[sealybobo]

Here we have a bill from Oregon...banning all magazines that hold more than 5 bullets. The anti gunners can't help themeselves...they can lie all day long that they only want "common sense" gun laws, but their irrational fear of guns will drive them to ban them when they get the power. Here we see the lie that is the "we will let you keep your 10 round magazines." By banning anything over 5, they are banning all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.....a back door ban without having to expose themselves to a ban against the actual guns...

Instead of making a law that would actually impact criminals...this law is directed at law abiding gun owners who have committed no crime, they have not used their gun to harm anyone...but they will become criminals for mere possession of a piece of equipment that has been in existence since the creation of guns capable of semi auto fire.......

We know what you want, we know who you are......lie all you want, your lies are known to us....

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced

Prohibits possession of magazine with capacity to hold more than five rounds of ammunition. Provides that person in possession of such magazine must sell or otherwise dispose of magazine within 180 days of effective date of Act. Punishes unlawful possession of magazine capable of holding more than five rounds by maximum of 364 days’ imprisonment, $6,250 fine, or both

Learn to shoot.

I just had a great idea. When you are in your teens you get a muzzleloader and that's it. Shotgun and handguns at 21. You can buy a clip type gun when you are 40. If we can say you can't buy a gun till 21 who says we can't raise the age on when you can buy a semi auto? I say at 50 you can own one of these.

Yes....you are a fascist...we get it...you don't have to keep reminding us....

Gimme your gun you pussy mother fucker!

So...you were saying about a rational conversation?

You called me a fascist what did you expect?