So will Wisconsin turn against Obama?

[JoeB131]

During the entire Scott Walker recall debacle, Obama didn't have time to stop and try to help the dem candidate. He knew the guy was going to lose, so he didn't bother. No need to be visible on a losing run.

So will the Dems in Wisconsin hold that against him?? Sure he'll have his die hard group that wouldn't think of voting against him but the Unions are kinda p*ssed at him for not showing up and scheduling the DNC in a non-union state. They aren't funneling the money his way, they are saying they're broke.

Unions hit Democratic convention where it hurts: In the wallet - Robin Bravender and Anna Palmer - POLITICO.com

I think you completely misinterpret what Wisconsin was about.

it was not that there was any great love for Scott Walker.

It's that most Wisconsin residents thought that the recall was an abuse of the system. The Recall should be there to get rid of outright malfeasence, not just because you don't like the person in the job. Otherwise, no politician would be able to do their jobs.

The unions should have gotten that message when the first batch of recalls fell flat, but because one guy got booted out for running off with the secretary, they thought there was something to be gained. Obama was probably pretty astute not to waste any political capital there.

I still think he'll take Wisconsin in November, despite Ryan.

 

[JoeB131]

What people don't get is that the conservative base is fired up about getting rid of Obama. THey understand the country cannot stand another 4 years of bad policies and gross incompetence. People will be getting up out of their hospital beds to go vote for Romney, who represents maturity, experience and common sense. Obama has no message left. It is simply "vote for me because the other side will enslave you and make you eat broccoli if you don't." That isn't a winning message.

Yawn...

The mythical "the base is fired up" meme... that one never gets old.

Guy, no one ever won an election beause they hated the guy who was in.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Bush-43 in 2004. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Clinton in 1996. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Reagan in 1984. He still won.

Tell me true, most conservatives would rather have Ryan as the nominee than Romney.

And that's never a good sign for your guy.

 

[The Rabbi]

What people don't get is that the conservative base is fired up about getting rid of Obama. THey understand the country cannot stand another 4 years of bad policies and gross incompetence. People will be getting up out of their hospital beds to go vote for Romney, who represents maturity, experience and common sense. Obama has no message left. It is simply "vote for me because the other side will enslave you and make you eat broccoli if you don't." That isn't a winning message.

They'll have to because they won't be able to afford those beds if Romney wins.

Obama has the election (and Wisconsin's electoral votes) locked up. It's just a matter of margins now.

ZOMG! IF Romney wins women will have back alley abortions and blacks will have to ride the back of the bus! ZOMG! Vote Obama to save this country!

 

[The Rabbi]

What people don't get is that the conservative base is fired up about getting rid of Obama. THey understand the country cannot stand another 4 years of bad policies and gross incompetence. People will be getting up out of their hospital beds to go vote for Romney, who represents maturity, experience and common sense. Obama has no message left. It is simply "vote for me because the other side will enslave you and make you eat broccoli if you don't." That isn't a winning message.

Yawn...

The mythical "the base is fired up" meme... that one never gets old.

Guy, no one ever won an election beause they hated the guy who was in.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Bush-43 in 2004. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Clinton in 1996. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Reagan in 1984. He still won.

Tell me true, most conservatives would rather have Ryan as the nominee than Romney.

And that's never a good sign for your guy.

Simply wrong.
What was the economy doing in 2004, 1996, and 1984? What is it doing today?
That's never a good sign for your guy.

 

[JoeB131]

What people don't get is that the conservative base is fired up about getting rid of Obama. THey understand the country cannot stand another 4 years of bad policies and gross incompetence. People will be getting up out of their hospital beds to go vote for Romney, who represents maturity, experience and common sense. Obama has no message left. It is simply "vote for me because the other side will enslave you and make you eat broccoli if you don't." That isn't a winning message.

Yawn...

The mythical "the base is fired up" meme... that one never gets old.

Guy, no one ever won an election beause they hated the guy who was in.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Bush-43 in 2004. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Clinton in 1996. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Reagan in 1984. He still won.

Tell me true, most conservatives would rather have Ryan as the nominee than Romney.

And that's never a good sign for your guy.

Simply wrong.
What was the economy doing in 2004, 1996, and 1984? What is it doing today?
That's never a good sign for your guy.

Actually, the economy kind of sucked in 1984. Unemployment was 7.6%. But it was off it's highs from the years previous...

Hate doesn't get you across the finish line.

And that's all you guys really have. Most of you don't like Romney any more than I do.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yawn...

The mythical "the base is fired up" meme... that one never gets old.

Guy, no one ever won an election beause they hated the guy who was in.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Bush-43 in 2004. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Clinton in 1996. He still won.

The base was "fired up" to get rid of Reagan in 1984. He still won.

Tell me true, most conservatives would rather have Ryan as the nominee than Romney.

And that's never a good sign for your guy.

Simply wrong.
What was the economy doing in 2004, 1996, and 1984? What is it doing today?
That's never a good sign for your guy.

Actually, the economy kind of sucked in 1984. Unemployment was 7.6%. But it was off it's highs from the years previous...

Hate doesn't get you across the finish line.

And that's all you guys really have. Most of you don't like Romney any more than I do.

Yeah, 7.6% really sucks. That's why Obama will win with 8.2%.
Romney/Ryan present the clearest choice to socialism we have seen in a long time. No wonder you hate them, you ignorant bigot.

 

[naturegirl]

I'm thinking the Right base is much more motivated this time around. Too many of them stayed home last time and look what we ended up with. Obama has to go and I'm thinking Wisconsin knows this. Ryan is a Wisconsin favorite. The people in his home state admire and respect him.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm thinking the Right base is much more motivated this time around. Too many of them stayed home last time and look what we ended up with. Obama has to go and I'm thinking Wisconsin knows this. Ryan is a Wisconsin favorite. The people in his home state admire and respect him.

Last time there was no point. McCain's policies were pretty much identical to Obama's proposals. So why bother?
This time there is a real difference between Romney/Ryan's successful ideas and Obama's failed record.

 

[DiamondDave]

Hate is all the REPs have?? Seriously??

Well. I guess you can say that if you consider that the REPs hate huge unemployment, the fact that our government spending is the worst it has ever been, and that Obama is interested in more government control over everything...

 

[candycorn]

What people don't get is that the conservative base is fired up about getting rid of Obama. THey understand the country cannot stand another 4 years of bad policies and gross incompetence. People will be getting up out of their hospital beds to go vote for Romney, who represents maturity, experience and common sense. Obama has no message left. It is simply "vote for me because the other side will enslave you and make you eat broccoli if you don't." That isn't a winning message.

They'll have to because they won't be able to afford those beds if Romney wins.

Obama has the election (and Wisconsin's electoral votes) locked up. It's just a matter of margins now.

ZOMG! IF Romney wins women will have back alley abortions and blacks will have to ride the back of the bus! ZOMG! Vote Obama to save this country!

I used your metaphor.

Romney is a kind, decent man, and by all accounts an excellent father. He'd be a great neighbor but a lousy President. Simply put, he doesn't seem to care about the middle income Americans. Which is why Obama is winning and will win.

 

[naturegirl]

They'll have to because they won't be able to afford those beds if Romney wins.

Obama has the election (and Wisconsin's electoral votes) locked up. It's just a matter of margins now.

ZOMG! IF Romney wins women will have back alley abortions and blacks will have to ride the back of the bus! ZOMG! Vote Obama to save this country!

I used your metaphor.

Romney is a kind, decent man, and by all accounts an excellent father. He'd be a great neighbor but a lousy President. Simply put, he doesn't seem to care about the middle income Americans. Which is why Obama is winning and will win.

LOL, Obama doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself and his re-election. He lies, he spews stupid stuff and you believe he cares about the middle class. If he cared so much, perhaps you should just check on those people that live on Chicago's South side and see if they're better off since he "organized" them then saved them all when he became President.

All he wants is your vote and you fall for his lies, over and over and over. Guess what, "Affordable Health Care" isn't so affordable, even after he stole 700 billion from Medicare.

 

[tererun]

Oh noes, Mittens might get Wisconsin in the biggest political move of his candidacy. Really, the guy brought out his biggest attack and he might get wisconsin from it. Not even a sure lock on wisconsin. What else does he have left that is as big as his choice for VP? This is all he could do? He maybe got a state that has a shitty number of electoral votes in comparison to a lot of other battleground states?

 

[initforme]

Well I live in Wisc and Ryan doesnt have me fired up...he had better tell me what middle class tax deductions he is going to do away with so the middle class has to pay more. Romney had better release that long before the election.

 

[naturegirl]

Oh noes, Mittens might get Wisconsin in the biggest political move of his candidacy. Really, the guy brought out his biggest attack and he might get wisconsin from it. Not even a sure lock on wisconsin. What else does he have left that is as big as his choice for VP? This is all he could do? He maybe got a state that has a shitty number of electoral votes in comparison to a lot of other battleground states?

hahahahahaha, yea keep believing everyone is like you and believes Obama's lies. He's running scared because he can't run on his record.

Ryan can run on his.

 

[candycorn]

ZOMG! IF Romney wins women will have back alley abortions and blacks will have to ride the back of the bus! ZOMG! Vote Obama to save this country!

I used your metaphor.

Romney is a kind, decent man, and by all accounts an excellent father. He'd be a great neighbor but a lousy President. Simply put, he doesn't seem to care about the middle income Americans. Which is why Obama is winning and will win.

LOL, Obama doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself and his re-election. He lies, he spews stupid stuff and you believe he cares about the middle class.

The Romney Campaign (not a super pac) was caught lying about Obama stripping away the Clinton requirement of welfare-to-work.

So says President Clinton and Politifact:

Our ruling:

Romney’s ad says, "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."

That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.

The ad tries to connect the dots to reach this zinger: "They just send you your welfare check." The HHS memo in no way advocates that practice. In fact, it says the new policy is "designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

The ad’s claim is not accurate, and it inflames old resentments about able-bodied adults sitting around collecting public assistance. Pants on Fire!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-says-barack-obamas-plan-abandons-tenet/

The governor is running a dishonest campaign. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.
As for Obama only caring about himself; he does have an outsized ego. But politically, he appears to be infinitely more engaged in in the plight of the American People than the Governor.

If he cared so much, perhaps you should just check on those people that live on Chicago's South side and see if they're better off since he "organized" them then saved them all when he became President.

All he wants is your vote and you fall for his lies, over and over and over. Guess what, "Affordable Health Care" isn't so affordable, even after he stole 700 billion from Medicare.

According to Governor Romney, the medicare "hit" was approximately $500 Billion.
Mitt Romney Statement on Supreme Court Health Care Decision - YouTube

It is the Ryan Plan to do away with Medicare as we know it. Those also are the facts and they are not in dispute.

 

[The Rabbi]

The claim was accurate. Do you really trust Bill Clinton to tell the truth? Rly?

Meanwhile Obama claims Romney is a felon and Biden claims Romney wants to enslave black people.

Which one is running a deceitful mendacious smear campaign?

 

[naturegirl]

The claim was accurate. Do you really trust Bill Clinton to tell the truth? Rly?

Meanwhile Obama claims Romney is a felon and Biden claims Romney wants to enslave black people.

Which one is running a deceitful mendacious smear campaign?

Of course Obama is going to lie about it. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and now he's denying it. Waivers to his Dem supporters actually do take away the work requirement to those receiving welfare.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Wisconsin is going to be interesting for the Presidential race. On one hand, the economy there is doing better, and Walker deserves credit for that and it seems that the people there recognize that. So that could work against Obama.

On the other hand, it undermines Romney's ability to campaign on the bad economy as a reason to unseat Obama, which could lead to apathy from those discontented with Obama. The failure of the recall could also create a backlash that energizes Obama's base in that state.

This one is impossible to predict, but is going to be quite intriguing to watch.

 

[candycorn]

The claim was accurate. Do you really trust Bill Clinton to tell the truth? Rly?

The Governor quoted Clinton's program. Oh yeah, you don't trust the Governor so I see where you're coming from. Politifact also cites Romney's blatant dishonesty. I noticed you dodged that one.

Romney is running a deceitful campaign; not his super pac; his campaign make the false charges. Very surprising too...if I may say so.

Meanwhile Obama claims Romney is a felon and Biden claims Romney wants to enslave black people.

Which one is running a deceitful mendacious smear campaign?

Clearly Romney's Campaign has told a whopper and it won't recant it. So it's the Governor.

 

[The Rabbi]

So you trust a serial womanizer and rapist to tell the truth over Romney.

Tells me all I need to know.