So the Oceans are rising are they?

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    Recent Climate Change - Temperature Changes | Science | Climate Change | U.S. EPA

    Records from land stations and ships indicate that the global mean surface temperature warmed by about 0.9°F since 1880 (see Figure 1). These records indicate a near level trend in temperatures from 1880 to about 1910, a rise to 1945, a slight decline to about 1975, and a rise to present (NRC, 2006). The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded in 2007 that warming of the climate system is now “unequivocal,” based on observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level (IPCC, 2007).

    Even more important than the numbers, are the effects of the rise. That rise in uneven, actually cooling in some places, and rising rapidly, like Alaska, indeed, the whole Arctic, in others.

    At present, we are seeing the North Polar Ice Cap rapidly decreasing both in volume and extant.


    https://www.e-education.psu.edu/meteo469/node/130

    Another effect is the movement of climatic zones.

    What Might Man-Induced Climate Change Mean? | Foreign Affairs

    The whole point is that we are presently engaged in a worldwide experiment in which we will have to live with the results for many generations. With no real idea of how much change we are creating. A point of fact, we have not seen the present level of CO2 in the atmosphere for at least 15 million years. Nor the present level of Ch4 for at least that long, maybe a good deal longer.
     
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    Oh yes, let's use the EPA's website which is still showing all the info from the totally discredited IPCC report. Get real, this is crap and you know it. Come up with something relevent and accurate. These links are usable for papering the bird cage and nothing else.
     
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    Sure, Walleyes, the like of Watts is far better than the scientists at the EPA, IPCC, and the AGU.

    Why don't you just admit it. No matter what evidence is presented, you will not admit that you are completely wrong. A real scientist does not post from the people that you do for evidence.
     
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    freezing ass off in Portland oregon....brrr
     
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    Watts is far more accurate then the bloody IPCC! Even THEY ADMITTED THEY WERE FULL OF CRAP!:lol::lol::lol:

    And you are completely wrong. Show me compelling empirical evidence that has not been screwed with by the climate mafia and I will happily climb back on board. You forget, I was a "believer" at one time. So far though, no empirical data supports the alarmist camp.
     
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    Tuvulu in the south Pacific is also being lost to rising sea levels...
    :eek:
    Global warming sinks disputed island in Bay of Bengal
    Thursday 25th March, 2010 - Reports indicate that global warming has claimed its latest victim, namely, a low-lying island in a sprawling mangrove delta in the Bay of Bengal, which has been disputed by India and Bangladesh for almost 30 years.
     
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    And the dingbat deniers fail again as they make up more lies and distortions. Look at the title of this thread: "So the Oceans are rising are they?" The denier who started the thread clearly imagines that the study cited means that sea levels aren't rising. But of course, he's wrong again, as usual. Sea levels are rising, as the authors of this study affirm.

    An editorial about this study was published in that fruitcake Mooney rag called the Washington Post. It was certainly and inevitably parroted on all of the denier cult blogs and disinformation sites as more "proof" that sea levels aren't rising as the IPCC and numerous scientists around the world claim, based on a variety of measurements including satellite altimeters and direct measurements of the amount of ice melting off of Greenland, Antarctica and the world's glaciers. Here's what the authors of the study had to say about sea level rise.

    Sea Level Researchers Debunk Wash. Times' Distortion Of Their Work
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    A Washington Times editorial falsely claims that a recent sea level study "shows oceans are not rising." In fact, the study does not dispute that sea levels are rising, and the study's author calls the Washington Times' claim "a mischaracterization of our work." Study Author James R. Houston, Director Emeritus of the Corps of Engineers' Engineer Research and Development Center and an author of the study cited by the Washington Times, stated in an email: "Latest report shows oceans are not rising" is a mischaracterization of our work. Sea levels are rising...". ...Media Matters asked Houston about the Wash. Times' statement that "The result did suggest the sea level was increasing in the western Pacific, but this was offset by a drop in the level near the Alaskan coast." Houston replied that this was a reference to satellite measurements, not the tide gauge measurements that his study analyzed. Houston also stated: "Basically, from 1993 to 2010, sea level rise measured by satellite altimeters has been remarkably spatially variable over the planet. But if you add up all the ups and downs, the net effect has been a rise measured by the altimeters of about 3.1 millimeters per year from 1993 to 2010. The newspaper article implies that the net effect has been no rise. This is not the case." ...Responding to the Washington Times' claim that his study "shows oceans are not rising," Robert Dean, Professor Emeritus at the Department of Civil and Coastal Engineering of the University of Florida, stated via email: "There is a difference between "rising" and "accelerating". Accelerating means that the rate of rise is increasing. Sea level in the 20th Century was (and is) rising, it wasn't accelerating taking the entire century as a whole. Because the satellite altimetry has concluded that since 1992, the rate of rise has been more rapid than in the 20th Century (which would imply a recent acceleration), we are now examining more than 400 gauge records over the last 20 years or so."

    © 2011 Media Matters for America. All rights reserved.

    (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)
     
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    Oh look! TrollingBlunder has returned. damn. Gonna have to put that ignore back up.

    But note his 'news source'

    BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

    Flush! Credibility go down the hoooooole!
     
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    from the OP
    since the 80's we have been told over and over that catastrophe is just around the corner. temps are going to increase in ever accelerating increments, sea levels are going to rise in large amounts, extreme weather will be the norm. all because of a trace gas that acts logarithmically. but it hasnt happened. sure, we have warmed up since the Little Ice Age but not in any way that couldnt easily be due to natural variation. are glaciers retreating and sea levels rising? yes, that's what happens when it gets warmer. are the rates of these things happening spiralling out of control? no. are we being warned that they are? yes, in many, many studies they model the climate to parameters that are inconsistent with what is actually happening, and then tell us what might happen in the extreme case scenario.
     
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    obviously I disagree with your first link. I think the globe has warmed up more than 0.9F since 1880. of course the real question is how much of the increase is attributable to the increase of atmospheric CO2
     

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