So, Kerry presents ceasefire terms, that we knew they would reject.

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Israel and US openly at odds over Gaza ceasefire terms | The Times of Israel

Israeli ministers unanimously reject Kerry proposal, and government sources say it leans heavily toward Hamas, wouldn’t enable Israel to keep tackling Hamas tunnels
BY TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF July 25, 2014, 11:04 pm


Israel and its key ally the United States were in open disagreement Friday night, after the Israeli cabinet unanimously rejected a ceasefire offer drawn up by Secretary of State John Kerry to halt 18 days of Israeli-Hamas conflict

Kerry, speaking in Cairo, vowed to keep working on a ceasefire, and said Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was “committed” to working to narrow the gaps that were preventing a seven-day humanitarian ceasefire intended to lead to a longer-term deal. He also said Netanyahu had accepted an idea, proposed by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, of a 12-hour humanitarian time out. Israeli sources said the idea was under consideration.

But Israeli government sources told Army Radio the ceasefire terms proposed by Kerry were “completely unreasonable.” An unnamed senior Israeli government official flatly disputed Kerry’s assertion that his offer was “built on the Egyptian initiative” – which Israel accepted last week and Hamas rejected. In fact, the official was quoted saying, the Kerry offer is not built on the Egyptian proposal and tilts heavily toward Hamas.

The Army Radio report highlighted that the US on Monday signed an $11 billion arms deal with Qatar, and noted that Qatar is championing Hamas’s demands in the ceasefire negotiations, and is also alleged by Israel to be financing Hamas’s rocket production, tunnel digging infrastructure, and other elements of its military infrastructure. The radio report also claimed that Ban Ki-moon “is flying around the region on a Qatari plane.”

Indications from the lengthy Israeli cabinet meeting that rejected Kerry’s offer Friday are that the ministers were incensed that the terms of the deal would not have enabled Israel to continue to locate and demolish a network of dozens of tunnels that Hamas has dug, up to a mile or more long, from under Gaza residential areas all the way beneath the Israeli border.



Israel’s relations with Kerry, strained for a long time, were not helped when he was caught on a hot-mic earlier this week apparently sneering at Israel’s insistence that it is trying to tackle Hamas terror targets in Gaza with “pinpoint” accuracy. Comments made by the secretary in the same incident also indicated that Israel had not invited him to embark on this ceasefire mission, presumably because Israel wanted more time to tackle the Hamas tunnels.

The Israeli army’s southern commander, who is overseeing Israel’s ground offensive in Gaza, confirmed earlier Friday that he felt the army needed more time, although it had located what it believes are most of the tunnels.

The formal text of the ceasefire proposal offered by Kerry and rejected by Israel had not been released as of Friday evening. Earlier, though, The Times of Israel reported on what Arab sources said were its key elements.

The Kerry proposal, they said, provides for an immediate halt to hostilities to be followed 48 hours later by the start of five to-seven days of contacts between Israel, Palestinian and Egyptian delegations in Cairo, with the Palestinian delegation including Hamas officials. The talks in Egypt would include discussion of Hamas’s call for the lifting of the so-called siege of the Gaza Strip, and other demands.

In his comments on Friday in Cairo, Kerry said that Egypt had indeed offered to bring the “Palestinian factions,” and other interested parties, and Israel, to Cairo for such talks. “We still have some terminology” to work through, Kerry said. “But we are confident that we have a fundamental framework” that can work.

The Arab sources said the Kerry terms would provide for all military activity by the sides to halt immediately. On the Palestinian side, this provision was interpreted as meaning that Israel’s activities to find and destroy Hamas’s cross-border tunnels would also immediately be halted. But Israel has reportedly pushed for terms that would enable it to continue tackling the Hamas tunnels after a halt to hostilities.

The Arab sources said the discussions in Cairo would cover Hamas demands relating to: opening border crossings between Gaza and Israel; opening the Rafah crossing between Gaza and Egypt; the release of recently rearrested prisoners from the Shalit deal; the release of some 30 convicted terrorists, including Israeli Arabs, who were set to go free under the collapsed Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in late March; widening Palestinian fishing rights off the Gaza coast, and the establishment of a Gaza seaport.



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I would like to congratulate the American Jews for voting in Israel's worst nightmare. The obama administration.

Things, are about to get really fucked up.
 
Kerry's arrogance is breathtaking, typical of the leftist mindset. "Israel['s] . . . key ally the United States" doesn't even bother to consult with Israel before unilaterally declaring the necessity of a ceasefire to the world.

"How does that work for your security, Israel?"

Oh, wait, Kerry forget to ask. . . .

Look, we all know damn well that this administration is of the likes of Mustang, et. al.
 
My understanding is rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel during this agreed to cease fire.
If I were Israel, I'd stop playing the PC game and just level the place once and for all.

You truly want peace ? You'll only get a long term one when one side has a decisive victory. Until then, there will only be temporary halts to the violence, and year after year it will be the same thing for decades to come.
 
Kerry's arrogance is breathtaking, typical of the leftist mindset. "Israel['s] . . . key ally the United States" doesn't even bother to consult with Israel before unilaterally declaring the necessity of a ceasefire to the world.

"How does that work for your security, Israel?"

Oh, wait, Kerry forget to ask. . . .

Look, we all know damn well that this administration is of the likes of Mustang, et. al.

Yeah, he is a left winger. He is acting on behest of the administration. This administration who has totally fucked up all of our allies.

Our most important allies around the world, this piece of shit in chief, along with every cocksucking socialist anti-Semitic democrat, and every last piece of shit anti-Semitic left liberal.

We all know for sure that NAZI stands for national socialist party, and we all see who they are now. It has been and always will be the left wingers of this country and left liberal pieces of godless shit around the world.
 
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Kerry's arrogance is breathtaking, typical of the leftist mindset. "Israel['s] . . . key ally the United States" doesn't even bother to consult with Israel before unilaterally declaring the necessity of a ceasefire to the world.

"How does that work for your security, Israel?"

Oh, wait, Kerry forget to ask. . . .

Look, we all know damn well that this administration is of the likes of Mustang, et. al.

Yeah, he is a left winger. He is acting on behest of the administration. This administration who has totally fucked up all of our allies.

Our most important allies around the world, this piece of shit in chief, along with every cocksucking socialist anti-Semitic democrat, and every last piece of shit anti-Semitic left liberal.

We all know for sure that NAZI stands for national socialist party, and we all see who they are now. It has been and always will be the left wingers of this country and left liberal pieces of godless shit around the world.


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Tell us how you really feel.......:lol:.
 
My understanding is rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel during this agreed to cease fire.
If I were Israel, I'd stop playing the PC game and just level the place once and for all.

You truly want peace ? You'll only get a long term one when one side has a decisive victory. Until then, there will only be temporary halts to the violence, and year after year it will be the same thing for decades to come.

And it's precisely because Israel is ensnarled in this decades-long, artificially sustained "peace" process, which has only served to systematically erode its strategic and territorial interests, it finds itself cast as the villain by the Jew-hating, leftist ideologues of the world.
 
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Kerry's arrogance is breathtaking, typical of the leftist mindset. "Israel['s] . . . key ally the United States" doesn't even bother to consult with Israel before unilaterally declaring the necessity of a ceasefire to the world.

"How does that work for your security, Israel?"

Oh, wait, Kerry forget to ask. . . .

Look, we all know damn well that this administration is of the likes of Mustang, et. al.

Yeah, he is a left winger. He is acting on behest of the administration. This administration who has totally fucked up all of our allies.

Our most important allies around the world, this piece of shit in chief, along with every cocksucking socialist anti-Semitic democrat, and every last piece of shit anti-Semitic left liberal.

We all know for sure that NAZI stands for national socialist party, and we all see who they are now. It has been and always will be the left wingers of this country and left liberal pieces of godless shit around the world.


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Tell us how you really feel.......:lol:.

:fu: you and your "FEEEEEEEEL" bullshit.., THAT is what he BELIEVES !!

swamp slime evolved liberal pieces of godless shit<-------------<<<<< THAT is what i BELIVE

why do libertards always "FEEEEL" ???

don't they have a belief system in anything ???

liberliars........ :fu:
 
Israel doesn't want peace.......they never have from day one..

So of course Israel will reject any peace agreement not matter how fair it is or who presents it. .. :doubt:

Sunni, you know better than that. No sane people want perpetual war. There will never be any peace between these two peoples prefaced on a negotiated territorial model. Peace will only come with total victory.
 
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As long as the Arab world refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist there will never be peace in the Middle East.

When will the World accept this self obvious fact, do they expect Israel to roll over and die?


Accordingly Kerry's naive efforts to promote peace by harrasing Israel is stupid, he should harras Hamas to accept the reality that they will never beat Israel and their only future is accepting a permanent demilitarized ceasefire.

Unfortunately, this will never happen and therefore until Israel is allowed to militarily defeat Hamas there can be no lasting peace.

Imagine if during the Second World War, the allies had signed a ceasefire with the Nazis, this would only have prolonged the agony and the war even further.

Wars like this must be fought until there is a final resounding victory for one side, and that side will be Israel!
 
As long as the Arab world refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist there will never be peace in the Middle East.

When will the World accept this self obvious fact, do they expect Israel to roll over and die?


Accordingly Kerry's naive efforts to promote peace by harrasing Israel is stupid, he should harras Hamas to accept the reality that they will never beat Israel and their only future is accepting a permanent demilitarized ceasefire.

Unfortunately, this will never happen and therefore until Israel is allowed to militarily defeat Hamas there can be no lasting peace.

Imagine if during the Second World War, the allies had signed a ceasefire with the Nazis, this would only have prolonged the agony and the war even further.

Wars like this must be fought until there is a final resounding victory for one side, and that side will be Israel!

I'd be perfectly good with Israel rolling over and dying.

And it will be a wonderful day when it does.

We need to stop funding this stupidity.
 

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