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I'm getting the impression you REALLY hate the notion of free speech.I’m back. This was my post. Please, everybody, go somewhere else if you want to blame race groups or political parties for criminality. It’s not like we haven’t heard all that stuff a thousand times before.Ummm, this is the CDZ. You should keep better control.
You said that you support Affirmative action until all opportunity and employment opportunity equals out, and that's what prompted my saying to you that undoubtedly you don't aspire to diversity in cultures, religions and etc. Why did I think this ? Because I don't believe in blind socialism or socialism period. To reward someone based upon their skin color is the dumbest thing this nation has ever bought into. We must return to truly honoring diversity in cultures, character, and ideologies as long as they are in tune with the law and our American cultures that live here in America. I wouldn't impose my culture on an Indian tribe, and they wouldn't do that to me. We should honor each other's culture's, and we should respect each other enough not to try and force ourselves on each other, but the left have lost this ideal, and it is ashame.I am absolutely POSITIVE that I didn't mention or allude to religion. Anywhere. I'd appreciate it if you would quote the part you thought had anything to do with me being against freedom of diversity or religious cultures in our society.Hey, if you can't stand the response then maybe you are in the wrong place. I'm on the topic or post you are presenting, so if I'm off it's because of you.WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS SHIT? YES I KNOW I'M BREAKING THE RULES AND I'LL PROBABLY GO TO USMB HELL FOR IT, BUT I'M PRETTY FED UP WITH THIS.Hmmm, so you are against the freedom of diverse or religious culture's in our society ????
AND....you're off topic.
Please.
And don't dawdle.
Sad, but it's true.99% of it
Starting with all the Uncle Tomming of their highest achievers and avoiding responsibility by externalizing the source of their failure.
They lag behind, not because of racism, but because they blame racism for every fucking thing under the sun.
It doesn't blindly support them, so they hate it.I'm getting the impression you REALLY hate the notion of free speech.I’m back. This was my post. Please, everybody, go somewhere else if you want to blame race groups or political parties for criminality. It’s not like we haven’t heard all that stuff a thousand times before.Ummm, this is the CDZ. You should keep better control.
When I was young, the left was all about free speech. Now it is all about preventing it.
Outstanding analogy, and proof of how stupid these Affirmative action schemes are.Affirmative Action gives opportunities to learn for some by taking AWAY opportunities for others. It employees inequality in opportunity to achieve equality in outcome.Affirmative Action just gives more people a chance to learn. Why would an educator be opposed to that?
And once again, dog, you are doing exactly what I said you did--turning the thread, whatever topic, to your own pet peeve against blacks. Which is Affirmative Action.
I'm not answering any more posts about it. You can, as usual, claim a win because of it.
But I haven't forgotten that I'm still waiting for you to post where I support black criminality.
You know I've been looking at the N.B.A. lately and notice it is almost all black. BY Oldlady logic that has to be because of racism as there can be no other explanation for disparity of outcome. The NBA doesn't even come close to the racial breakdown in society at large so this HAS to be rectified. We need to stamp out this racism!!
With this in mind here is what I suggest by way of affirmative action and copying the sorts of schemes you endorse: starting in high school, all basketball players will have various weights placed on their ankles. Blacks will have the heaviest weights so they cannot run so fast and jump so high, the white devils will have lighter weights that will only encumber them a little while the Jewish and Asian players will have weights so light it will hardly hinder them at all. Now we might have to tinker with the weights a bit to find the right balance as we punish the blacks for their athleticism so we can advantage the Asians and Jews but you have to agree that this is a simple and brilliant plan for achieving an outcome similar to your beloved Affirmative action.
Hey if the shoe fits, oh well.I’m back. This was my post. Please, everybody, go somewhere else if you want to blame race groups or political parties for criminality. It’s not like we haven’t heard all that stuff a thousand times before.Ummm, this is the CDZ. You should keep better control.
Thank you for explaining where your comments came from. I don't understand how AA is socialist or how it keeps cultures, character and ideologies from being diverse. I honestly don't. But like I told dog, I'm not gonna tussle over Affirmative Action with him OR with you. See, if this had been an Affirmative Action thread, I would have stayed out of it because I've argued for it and heard all the arguments against it a million times.You said that you support Affirmative action until all opportunity and employment opportunity equals out, and that's what prompted my saying to you that undoubtedly you don't aspire to diversity in cultures, religions and etc. Why did I think this ? Because I don't believe in blind socialism or socialism period. To reward someone based upon their skin color is the dumbest thing this nation has ever bought into. We must return to truly honoring diversity in cultures, character, and ideologies as long as they are in tune with the law and our American cultures that live here in America. I wouldn't impose my culture on an Indian tribe, and they wouldn't do that to me. We should honor each other's culture's, and we should respect each other enough not to try and force ourselves on each other, but the left have lost this ideal, and it is ashame.I am absolutely POSITIVE that I didn't mention or allude to religion. Anywhere. I'd appreciate it if you would quote the part you thought had anything to do with me being against freedom of diversity or religious cultures in our society.Hey, if you can't stand the response then maybe you are in the wrong place. I'm on the topic or post you are presenting, so if I'm off it's because of you.WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS SHIT? YES I KNOW I'M BREAKING THE RULES AND I'LL PROBABLY GO TO USMB HELL FOR IT, BUT I'M PRETTY FED UP WITH THIS.Hmmm, so you are against the freedom of diverse or religious culture's in our society ????
AND....you're off topic.
Please.
And don't dawdle.
We must use the merit system, and not this bullcrap socialist system being imposed or this nation will fall. Enough of the blame game, and enough with every thing being racist, because that's bullcrap.
None that I know of. Racism in our society is not a "law." It's an attitude.Please tell me which laws in our country discriminate against black people?
And I am going to continue to support Affirmative Action until black and white unemployment and income numbers are equal.You support laws that punish Asians and Jewish people,
So, you wish to punish Asians and JewsYour support of black criminality
Please show me where I support black criminality. Quote me.
More complete dismissiveness.all they need to do is throw a tantrum.yes, you wish to punish Asians and Jews for as long as it takes.After all, they value education. You need to hurt them because they have the wrong skin color, and you wish to reward those with the right skin color despite their disdain for education.None that I know of. Racism in our society is not a "law." It's an attitude.Please tell me which laws in our country discriminate against black people?
And I am going to continue to support Affirmative Action until black and white unemployment and income numbers are equal.You support laws that punish Asians and Jewish people,
Please show me where I support black criminality. Quote me.Your support of black criminality
More complete dismissiveness.all they need to do is throw a tantrum.
I don't know what is more messed up about all of this - that you are claiming that those who reject you wanting to punish the wrong skin colors are the actual racists, or that this is all coming from a self-professed EDUCATOR.
Yeah, but it depends on what that means to you. A good part of it is a class issue at this point. Poverty begets poverty. Inner city schools apparently suck. Or the kids aren't going, I don't know which. So the problem gets worse. Kids join gangs either out of peer pressure or for self protection. Lots of drug abuse. Kids fighting and shooting each other over some cockamamie conception of "respect." They are that desperate for it.That's part of it.So why, as a group, have blacks always been poorer than whites and still are?
In the past it was because of racism. Today it's because of cultural rot in their communities.
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Picaro, you're not listening.Well, there's nothing stopping you from going in there, then, and correcting it, is there? So why haven't you, if you know so much more of the story?OldLady —
I will try to do a separate thread on English language Wikipedia. To me it is one of the most valuable tools to come out of the internet revolution, the most comprehensive and useful Encyclopedia the world has ever known.
And the least accurate. Just so you know, no legitimate college class allows wiki to be used as a source.
She has never bothered to click on the rest of the page links, like the ones discussing why something is included and why somethng is not, which is a whole story in itself, especially as the articles are constantly being edited to reflect the latest editor's biases and political fantasies.
Why should I? Why haven't you bothered to just do basic fact checking on your sources? Oh yeah, as long they feed you what you want to hear, you don't mind lying to your students with fake 'facts' and questionable sources. that seems to be the typical mentality among those claiming to be 'teachers' on this board.
It doesn't blindly support them, so they hate it.
Kids join gangs because they are looking for respect and admiration from other men.Yeah, but it depends on what that means to you. A good part of it is a class issue at this point. Poverty begets poverty. Inner city schools apparently suck. Or the kids aren't going, I don't know which. So the problem gets worse. Kids join gangs either out of peer pressure or for self protection. Lots of drug abuse. Kids fighting and shooting each other over some cockamamie conception of "respect." They are that desperate for it.That's part of it.So why, as a group, have blacks always been poorer than whites and still are?
In the past it was because of racism. Today it's because of cultural rot in their communities.
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So I look at all that, thinking what on earth would fix that? Because I'm a natural born fixer. See someone in trouble, I always got a suggestion. I'm annoying that way. But it's because I care. So it depends on how you look at it. If you say they are poorer than whites because of community rot and you therefore say to hell with them, they deserve to be poor, I don't agree with that.
Thank you for explaining where your comments came from. I don't understand how AA is socialist or how it keeps cultures, character and ideologies from being diverse. I honestly don't. But like I told dog, I'm not gonna tussle over Affirmative Action with him OR with you. See, if this had been an Affirmative Action thread, I would have stayed out of it because I've argued for it and heard all the arguments against it a million times.You said that you support Affirmative action until all opportunity and employment opportunity equals out, and that's what prompted my saying to you that undoubtedly you don't aspire to diversity in cultures, religions and etc. Why did I think this ? Because I don't believe in blind socialism or socialism period. To reward someone based upon their skin color is the dumbest thing this nation has ever bought into. We must return to truly honoring diversity in cultures, character, and ideologies as long as they are in tune with the law and our American cultures that live here in America. I wouldn't impose my culture on an Indian tribe, and they wouldn't do that to me. We should honor each other's culture's, and we should respect each other enough not to try and force ourselves on each other, but the left have lost this ideal, and it is ashame.I am absolutely POSITIVE that I didn't mention or allude to religion. Anywhere. I'd appreciate it if you would quote the part you thought had anything to do with me being against freedom of diversity or religious cultures in our society.Hey, if you can't stand the response then maybe you are in the wrong place. I'm on the topic or post you are presenting, so if I'm off it's because of you.WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE COME UP WITH THIS SHIT? YES I KNOW I'M BREAKING THE RULES AND I'LL PROBABLY GO TO USMB HELL FOR IT, BUT I'M PRETTY FED UP WITH THIS.Hmmm, so you are against the freedom of diverse or religious culture's in our society ????
AND....you're off topic.
Please.
And don't dawdle.
We must use the merit system, and not this bullcrap socialist system being imposed or this nation will fall. Enough of the blame game, and enough with every thing being racist, because that's bullcrap.
Exactly, they only celebrate what fits their agenda, and if it don't because all people aren't sheeple, then they hate it.It doesn't blindly support them, so they hate it.
The one thing I have found the "celebrate diversity" crowd hates above all else, it has to be diversity.
I repeat: This was my post. Please go somewhere else if you only want to blame race groups or political parties for criminality. It’s not like we haven’t heard all that stuff a thousand times before. It is not related to my thread.I'm getting the impression you REALLY hate the notion of free speech. When I was young, the left was all about free speech. Now it is all about preventing it.I’m back. This was my post. Please, everybody, go somewhere else if you want to blame race groups or political parties for criminality. It’s not like we haven’t heard all that stuff a thousand times before.Ummm, this is the CDZ. You should keep better control.
We have all seen media coverage of criminal looting and of statues being torn down, and maybe the much larger, peaceful, but less photogenic marches of hundreds of thousands in large cities. People mostly see and pay attention to what confirms their biases.
Yet looting, arson and violence today are nothing like on the scale of the 1960s, when Civil Rights leaders and liberal politicians were assassinated, and anger boiled over. Party partisanship and conspiracy thinking, however, certainly seem higher than ever. While the screamers are more emboldened today, I believe race relations in general have improved.
I watched recently some videos about black and white and integrated gun clubs, and how many organized to act if needed ... without overt racism and without lunatics starting trouble. In rural areas where gun ownership is most prevalent, where voters are much more conservative and “white,” and in areas where police, demonstrators and guns sometimes mixed on the streets, we seem to have gotten through this period — thank heaven — without any serious disasters.
The number of white demonstrators peacefully joining protests against racism and police violence, the increasing recognition among the young that racism is indeed a problem in American society — not just among police, whose jobs are difficult in the best of times — these are encouraging to me. I excerpt below from an article about largely white “Black Lives Matter” demonstrations in small communities in America:
On TV and on social media, the protest movement sweeping the country often looks grim and explosive, a montage of rubber bullets and teargas, activists facing off with police, low-flying military helicopters, broken store windows. When protests first started popping up in small towns across the country, some residents could only imagine they were the work of interlopers. Rumors whipped through dozens of rural and suburban communities about busloads of anti-fascist activists on their way to wreak havoc....
For people living in small towns, the dissonance between the dark fantasy of antifa marauders and the actual nature of local protests—many of which have included kids, dogs, and elderly people—has been hard to miss.... [Soon] armed counter-demonstrators largely disappeared. “They have been made to look kind of silly. You should have seen how they showed up. It was like a war—these people showed up for an enemy that was never there,” said [one black musician in almost all white Klamath Falls, Oregon]. Meanwhile, people continued to gather in town for Black Lives Matter rallies during the first two weeks of June. “I think it’s very important because it shows people, you know, a different side of things? It’s happening in these smaller towns with little to no black population. That shows people this is a human thing, and that there’s a lot of us out there who care about each other and want to stand up for each other. And you know, change can happen from anywhere”....
Some protests offered at least a temporary reclamation of public space in communities long defined by segregation and legacies of brutal racism—places like Vidor, Texas, a former Ku Klux Klan haven that Texas Monthly described as the state’s “most hate-filled town” during a struggle over court-ordered desegregation of public housing in the early 1990s....
“I’ve never seen so many white people give a darn about black people,” said Mildred Henderson, a 78-year-old woman and veteran activist who was interviewed by The Southern Illinoisan at a June 4 rally in Anna, Ill. In 1909, mobs drove black residents out of Anna after a lynching in a nearby town; for decades, Anna was known as a sundown town, where black people were not welcome after dark. Although Anna was originally named for a woman, the town’s racist history has given it an unofficial acronym: “Ain’t No [N-words] Allowed.” Kevin Jackson, who also attended the protest in Anna, told the Belleville News-Democrat that it was the first time he’d ever walked down the town’s Main Street... “I probably wouldn’t do it again without my white brothers and sisters,” Jackson said.
Black Lives Matter Protests Are Everywhere, Even in the Unlikeliest Places
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