Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

[expat_panama]

Why? I've studied the data. It's ridiculous to blame a natural warming trend to a weak GHG.

fwiw, it's also ill-advised to blame airplane crashes on gravity considering the fact that most planes don't crash even while all are exposed to the same gravity.

 

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fwiw, it's also ill-advised to blame airplane crashes on gravity considering the fact that most planes don't crash even while all are exposed to the same gravity.

That would be reasonable. Every situation should be judged on its own merits.

 

[skye]

 

[Crick]

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But towards the middle of right side, near that blue-green bump, at least from this aspect. Oh, and, by the way, it doesn't. Our climate changes way more than does the sun. The sun is not responsible for ice ages nor glacial cycles nor D-O events nor for the warming of the last 150 years.

 

[EMH]

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How does the Sun actually CHANGE the climate?

It doesn't.

The Co2 FRAUD put out "solar cycle" for Faux "News" viewers to parrot, because it justifies the Co2 FRAUD's FUDGED data...

 

[EMH]

But towards the middle of right side, near that blue-green bump, at least from this aspect. Oh, and, by the way, it doesn't. Our climate changes way more than does the sun. The sun is not responsible for ice ages nor glacial cycles nor D-O events nor for the warming of the last 150 years.

There is no warming.

Sincerely,

Highly correlated satellite and balloon data
NO OCEAN WARMING
NO BREAKOUT in CANES
NO OCEAN RISE
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT

 

[EMH]

Everything is a debatable issue.......

Including ISRAEL

 

[EMH]

It is definitely not a fake.

Co2 is a complete hoax.

Your side has wasted $20 trillion on a non issue. The Co2 FRAUD is the GREATEST EVER CRIME against the actual environment. We could have used that money to build desalination plants and stop the fires, do clean ups etc. Instead, it is all just wasted on bullshit because left wing science invalids like you are just as stupid as SUBS are regarding Zionist Fascism.

 

[Crick]

Co2 is a complete hoax.

Your side has wasted $20 trillion on a non issue. The Co2 FRAUD is the GREATEST EVER CRIME against the actual environment. We could have used that money to build desalination plants and stop the fires, do clean ups etc. Instead, it is all just wasted on bullshit because left wing science invalids like you are just as stupid as SUBS are regarding Zionist Fascism.

Two questions to which you owe us all an answer.

1) Do you accept these data?
2) If you do not, do you have different data re the absorption spectrum of carbon dioxide

Climate Science Investigations South Florida - Energy: The Driver of Climate

The Florida Center for Environmental Studies (CES) Climate Science Investigations of South Florida.

www.ces.fau.edu

 

[EMH]

Two questions to which you owe us all an answer.

1) Do you accept these data?
2) If you do not, do you have different data re the absorption spectrum of carbon dioxide

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Climate Science Investigations South Florida - Energy: The Driver of Climate

The Florida Center for Environmental Studies (CES) Climate Science Investigations of South Florida.

www.ces.fau.edu

The simple truth of the data is as follows.

Co2 went up
Atmospheric temperatures did not (before your side FUDGED them)

ALL GAS absorbs some part of EM spectrum. O3 absorbs powerful UV. Co2 absorbs WEAK IR which is why IT DOES NOTHING.

The atmosphere expands and contracts based on the amount of ice age glacier (ice) on the planet. Jurassic's atmosphere reportedly had 50% more pressure at the surface. As the atmosphere expands, it amplifies the climate change CAUSED BY WHERE LAND IS AND HENCE HOW MUCH ICE IS ON EARTH.

Co2 does absolutely NOTHING. We could increase it 10 fold and IT WOULD STILL DO NOTHING.

 

[Crick]

The simple truth of the data is as follows.

Co2 went up
Atmospheric temperatures did not (before your side FUDGED them)

ALL GAS absorbs some part of EM spectrum. O3 absorbs powerful UV. Co2 absorbs WEAK IR which is why IT DOES NOTHING.

The atmosphere expands and contracts based on the amount of ice age glacier (ice) on the planet. Jurassic's atmosphere reportedly had 50% more pressure at the surface. As the atmosphere expands, it amplifies the climate change CAUSED BY WHERE LAND IS AND HENCE HOW MUCH ICE IS ON EARTH.

Co2 does absolutely NOTHING. We could increase it 10 fold and IT WOULD STILL DO NOTHING.

You're dodging the question. Do you or do you not accept the absorption spectrum data in the graph on post #149 above? It's a YES or NO question.

 

[EMH]

You're dodging the question. Do you or do you not accept the absorption spectrum data in the graph on post #149 above? It's a YES or NO question.

I don't question it, I simply point out the truth that

IR is weak
increasing Co2 in the atmosphere did NOT warm the atmosphere
All gas absorbs some part of EM

THEORY REJECTED

 

[Crick]

I don't question it, I simply point out the truth that

IR is weak
increasing Co2 in the atmosphere did NOT warm the atmosphere
All gas absorbs some part of EM

THEORY REJECTED

Still dodging. Do you or do you not accept the absorption spectrum data displayed in post #149, YES or NO?

 

[Crick]

Still dodging. Do you or do you not accept the absorption spectrum data displayed in post #149, YES or NO?

A QUESTION FOR ALL

Does ANYONE here believe any of the claims made by EMH?

 

[EMH]

A QUESTION FOR ALL

Does ANYONE here believe any of the claims made by EMH?

Your theory is that atmospheric Co2 drives Earth climate change.

You have NO EVIDENCE to support that...

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

" satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling"


And then there is the truth of Earth climate.

In the past 20k years, Greenland froze while North America thawed. How did Co2 do both at the same time?

Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?

Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?


There is NO EVIDENCE that either Co2 or the atmosphere drives Earth climate change = ZERO.

When you can answer any of the above, which you cannot, then you might climb over zero credibility....

 

[EMH]

Arguing against climate change, is as stupid as saying gravity plays no role in plane crashes.

This is what is known as WORDSMITHING.

Your theory is GLOBAL WARMING, that increasing atmospheric Co2 warms the atmosphere and hence Earth. That THEORY never had any evidence to support it.

Climate change is a science. Science is a platform to facilitate debate.

Whenever these sick anti environment types get busted for supporting a $20 trillion fraud that does nothing but enrich liars and harm America, they WORDSMITH...

 

[skye]

 

[expat_panama]

How does the Sun actually CHANGE the climate?

It doesn't.

The Co2 FRAUD put out "solar cycle" for Faux "News" viewers to parrot, because it justifies the Co2 FRAUD's FUDGED data...

Actually, the sun's changing (getting warmer) and in about a billion years the earth will be so hot all the water (oceans, lakes, etc.) will boil off. Other (shorter term) changes are affected by the precession of the earth's axis along w/ techtonic movement of the continents.

Climates change because of many factors.

 

[ding]

But towards the middle of right side, near that blue-green bump, at least from this aspect. Oh, and, by the way, it doesn't. Our climate changes way more than does the sun. The sun is not responsible for ice ages nor glacial cycles nor D-O events nor for the warming of the last 150 years.

That would be the ocean which is where the majority of heat is stored. Although, solar variability (orbital and solar output) probably does play a role in number of ways; i.e. solar radiation variability and affects on wind patterns which influence ocean currents.

 

[Crick]

Actually, the sun's changing (getting warmer) and in about a billion years the earth will be so hot all the water (oceans, lakes, etc.) will boil off. Other (shorter term) changes are affected by the precession of the earth's axis along w/ techtonic movement of the continents.

Climates change because of many factors.

Closer to 12 billion years before the next step

That would be the ocean which is where the majority of heat is stored. Although, solar variability (orbital and solar output) probably does play a role in number of ways; i.e. solar radiation variability and affects on wind patterns which influence ocean currents.

The discussion was regarding TSI, not Milankovitch cycles and actual changes in TSI, though relatively large over the last few years, are microscopic in terms of the energy required to produce the changes observed over the last century.