Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

[Billo_Really]

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice.

What are the parameters of climate that can change?

Ocean levels
Atmospheric thickness
Temperature
Humidity


What controls those?

The amount of ice on the planet. Period. Ocean level is 100% inversely correlated to Earth ice content (on land, not sea ice, which is pathetically small) - duh. Trapped in ice age glacier is compressed gas. When it snows 10 feet, you can compress that into a few inches of ice, and the rest is air, which also gets compressed, when it is under 100k years of ice layers on top of it. When that ice melts, that compressed air is released back into the atmosphere, making it denser. Clearly more ice makes things colder, but it is the discrepancy between the polar circles today that is key to understanding Earth climate change and how it occurs.

90% of Earth Ice is on Antarctica
7% is on Greenland

97% of Earth ice is on the two land masses closest to the poles.... and land moves.

Air that passes over the Antarctic Circle cools 50F (58F from the above image) more than air that passes over Arctic.

Antarctica also puts 9 times the ice into the oceans, some 46 times the H2O the Mississippi River puts in the Gulf, and that ice is colder than Arctic ice.


The Antarctic Circle cools Earth much more than the Arctic Circle does.


All about land near the poles. And land moves.

Arguing against climate change, is as stupid as arguing gravity plays no roll in plane crashes.

 

[expat_panama]

Here's the unbiased data, you tell me.


"...In the global climate models (GCMs) most of the warming that has taken place since 1950 is attributed to human activity. Historically, however, there have been large climatic variations. Temperature reconstructions indicate that there is a ‘warming’ trend that seems to have been going on for as long as approximately 400 years. Prior to the last 250 years or so, such a trend could only be due to natural causes..."

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"...Kobashi et al. (2011) have reconstructed Greenland surface snow temperature variability over the past 4,000 years (until 1993) at the GISP2 site (near the Summit of the Greenland ice sheet) with a new method that utilizes argon and nitrogen isotopic ratios from occluded air bubbles (Figure B4, Appendix B). These data indicate that warmer temperatures were the norm in the earlier part of the past 4,000 years, including century-long intervals nearly 1°C warmer than the decade (2001-2010). Therefore, it appears that the current decadal mean temperature in Greenland has not exceeded the envelope of natural variability over the past 4,000 years. Schönwiese (1995)has reconstructed temperatures from ice cores in Greenland for the last 11,000 years (Figure B5,Appendix B). These reconstructions show that during the past 10,000 years temperatures over long periods were higher than they are today. The warmest phase occurred 4,000 to 8,000 years ago and is known as the Holocene Climate Optimum or the Atlantic Period..."
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"...The preceding four interglacial periods are seen at about 125,000, 280,000, 325,000 and 415,000 years before now, with much longer glacial periods in between. All four previous interglacial periods are seen to be warmer than the present. The typical length of a glacial period is about 100,000 years, while an interglacial period typically lasts for about 10-15,000 years. The present inter-glacial period has now lasted about 11,600 years..."

https://www.ssb.no/en/natur-og-milj...594b9225f9d7dc458b0b70a646baec3339/DP1007.pdf

thank u very much ding for the info. What I'm seeing here is that the data suggest that there has in fact been a warming trend, and there've also been cooling trends along w/ dozens of times over the past 1/2 M years when temps were as they are now.

Thanks again!

 

[ding]

Arguing against climate change, is as stupid as arguing gravity plays no roll in plane crashes.

Sure, but arguing that CO2 will trap 450% of its theoretical GHG effect is idiotic. Which is probably why they don't advertise it that way. Because if they did even fools such as yourself would start to question them.

 

[EMH]

Arguing against climate change, is as stupid as arguing gravity plays no roll in plane crashes.

No, the question is what causes Earth climate change, and the answer is the position of the tectonic plates and the movement of the plates. Co2 does nothing. Your "heroes" have bilked us for $20 trillion on this. They are also misdiagnosing the fires. The fires are due to too many humans sucking too much fresh water from nature.

A warmer Earth is a wetter Earth = less fires.

 

[Billo_Really]

Sure, but arguing that CO2 will trap 450% of its theoretical GHG effect is idiotic. Which is probably why they don't advertise it that way. Because if they did even fools such as yourself would start to question them.

Another fossil fuel whore, spews out his nonsense!

 

[Billo_Really]

No, the question is what causes Earth climate change, and the answer is the position of the tectonic plates and the movement of the plates. Co2 does nothing. Your "heroes" have bilked us for $20 trillion on this. They are also misdiagnosing the fires. The fires are due to too many humans sucking too much fresh water from nature.

A warmer Earth is a wetter Earth = less fires.

And a fossil fuel whore, is a fossil fuel whore!

There is a mountain of evidence pointing to man-made climate change, as well as 95% of climate scientists on the planet saying so.

The only ones not, are paid shills for the fossil fuel industry.

 

[EMH]

There is a mountain of evidence pointing to man-made climate change

Bullshit. We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps, satellites and balloons.

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.


Translation - the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, the two and only two measures we have of atmospheric temps, showed NO WARMING during a period of rising Co2.

Your side says increasing Co2 in the atmosphere warms the atmosphere. Your side has NO EVIDENCE of that, instead resorting to laughable excuses to fudge the data.


Man made climate change, to date, consists of Urban Heat Island Effect, that urban areas are 1 to 10 degrees warmer than surrounding undeveloped land. Even with that, you have NO WARMING in the atmosphere according to the DATA not the FUDGE.


Your side is to Global Warming what SUBS are to Israel, it is religion, not real....

 

[Billo_Really]

Bullshit. We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps, satellites and balloons.

Key claim against global warming evaporates

Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.

www.nbcnews.com

satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.


Translation - the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, the two and only two measures we have of atmospheric temps, showed NO WARMING during a period of rising Co2.

Your side says increasing Co2 in the atmosphere warms the atmosphere. Your side has NO EVIDENCE of that, instead resorting to laughable excuses to fudge the data.


Man made climate change, to date, consists of Urban Heat Island Effect, that urban areas are 1 to 10 degrees warmer than surrounding undeveloped land. Even with that, you have NO WARMING in the atmosphere according to the DATA not the FUDGE.


Your side is to Global Warming what SUBS are to Israel, it is religion, not real....

I'm sorry, I disagree.

 

[EMH]

I'm sorry, I disagree.

Because it is religion to you. Nobody you know can refute one word of this topic...

and Earth is NOT WARMING.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because it is religion to you. Nobody you know can refute one word of this topic...

and Earth is NOT WARMING.

Not according to NOAA, you fossil fuel whore!

 

[Captain Caveman]

And a fossil fuel whore, is a fossil fuel whore!

There is a mountain of evidence pointing to man-made climate change, as well as 95% of climate scientists on the planet saying so.

The only ones not, are paid shills for the fossil fuel industry.

You use fossil fuels, you fossil fuel whore!!

 

[irosie91]

Leftwing Globalist politicians looking to cement a power-base over the planet.

there is nothing that does nothing

 

[Billo_Really]

You use fossil fuels, you fossil fuel whore!!

Yes I do. But I support the sustainable energy industry.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Yes I do. But I support the sustainable energy industry.

So you're a fossil fuel whore too, like 99.999999999999999% of the people on the planet. Probably the lost tribes in the Amazon are the exception. Alarmists are welcome to go live with them.

 

[EMH]

Not according to NOAA, you fossil fuel whore!

You clearly have no understanding of basic science, and do not understand data vs fudge.

Here is some data from NASA about 90% of Earth ice on land mass Antarctica...

Study: Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses â Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

climate.nasa.gov

"the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."


and that explains why the oceans are not rising...


if the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some

serious fudgebaking fraud ongoing at IPCC...


the CO2 FRAUD is the worst ever disaster for the real environment. With the $trillions we've wasted, we could have built desalination plants on the coasts, and left fresh water in nature instead of overconsuming it....



One final question - do you believe "Global Warming" caused tires to melt on Maui???

 

[Billo_Really]

So you're a fossil fuel whore too, like 99.999999999999999% of the people on the planet. Probably the lost tribes in the Amazon are the exception. Alarmists are welcome to go live with them.

A fossil fuel whore, is someone who does the bidding for the fossil fuel industry. I definitely do not do that. You apparently do.

 

[Captain Caveman]

A fossil fuel whore, is someone who does the bidding for the fossil fuel industry. I definitely do not do that. You apparently do.

What do you mean by bidding for the fossil fuel industry?

 

[Billo_Really]

You clearly have no understanding of basic science, and do not understand data vs fudge.

Here is some data from NASA about 90% of Earth ice on land mass Antarctica...

Study: Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses â Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

climate.nasa.gov

"the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."


and that explains why the oceans are not rising...


if the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some

serious fudgebaking fraud ongoing at IPCC...


the CO2 FRAUD is the worst ever disaster for the real environment. With the $trillions we've wasted, we could have built desalination plants on the coasts, and left fresh water in nature instead of overconsuming it....



One final question - do you believe "Global Warming" caused tires to melt on Maui???

Spare me your fossil fuel nonsense.

Volcanic activity melts tires on Maui.

 

[Billo_Really]

What do you mean by bidding for the fossil fuel industry?

People that say climate change is not man-made.

 

[EMH]

Spare me your fossil fuel nonsense.

Volcanic activity melts tires on Maui.

Here you are content that many natives in Hawaii were deliberately mass murdered right in front of us, the official reason was a "fire" caused by "Global Warming" and a downed power line.

Tires melt at 1100F.

It takes a science invalid of your caliber to fall for the "official version," and once again allow the DEMOCRAT PARTY to mass murder people of color they claim to care about...