Should We Be Excusing Evil?

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    1. While there may not be a debate over how to recognize 'evil,' there appears to be a huge degree of evil itself in attempting to excuse evil.
    There are apologists for evil whose motives need be questioned.


    2. Case in point:

    a. "The Wendy's massacre was a mass murder that took place in a Wendy's fast-food restaurant at 40-12 Main Street in Flushing, Queens, New York City, New York, on May 24, 2000. Seven employees were shot in the head and five of them died."
    Wendy's massacre - Wikipedia

    b. "....Jaquione Johnson, was the second survivor to take the witness stand and recount, in harrowing detail, the hellish events in the basement of the Wendy's in Flushing on May 24, 2000.

    Mr. Johnson, 20, who was shot in the top of his head and spent months recovering in a rehabilitation facility, testified to seeing much more than the other survivor, Patrick Castro, who said during his testimony on Wednesday that the gunmen covered his eyes with duct tape. Mr. Castro said he could hear screams and gunshots, but was unable to see what was happening inside a walk-in refrigerator where the gunmen held seven bound and gagged employees before shooting them." Second Survivor of Wendy's Massacre Tells of Seeing Killings


    3. "A writer on the World Socialist website...[claimed] the Wendy's murders were neither gratuitous nor evil,...but rather reflected the poverty, injustice, and frustration of American society....
    Here is the moral mirror-work that yields relativism.
    An Unjust society's poverty (supposedly) clears the Wendy's killers, or mitigates their guilt. Society is responsible, not the individual criminals.


    ...a misguided ideological effort to explain away acts that originate not in the injustices of a social system but elsewhere- in viciousness and stupidity and indifference to life..." Lance Morrow, "Evil: An Investigation," p. 91-92




    4. There are two possible sources that may qualify as able to judge 'misguided ideological' worldviews: one is the Founder's view, the Judeo-Christian faith, ...and the other is the faiths of Marx and Hegel, Communism, and Liberalism.


    Ned Ryun:
    "Liberals are acting horrified at "the end result of the conditioning that they have received for years....this is a culture that the Left created....some of us [conservatives] have rejected that culture, we actually believe in self-discipline, we actually believe in virtue, ...

    ...now they want to bestow (?) that sort of behavior on all men...it didn't come from the Right, it was created by the Left....."



    Snippet from 11/27/2017 Tucker Carlson Tonight where he interviews Ned Ryun. Discussing his article "In Defense of Masculinity"




    Those that excuse evil, facilitate it......


    ....and make certain that it continues.
     
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    No,we should not be excusing evil, but you have a constitutional right to keep spouting your evil crap anyway.
     
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    To a liberal, as long as it isn't in their back yard...
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    Hard to call the president and gun nuts in congress good men, but they are doing nothing about the NRA ownership of congress.
     
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    For purposes of clarity, and, as the issue of guns has been brought into the conversation, it is essential to note in the context of evil that it was Hussein Obama who made it possible for Nikolas Cruz to obtain guns.

    The following is indisputable:


    a. "The [Obama] Justice Department already has sued school districts in Florida, South Carolina and Mississippi for implementing allegedly racist disciplinary policies."
    Holder's Anti-Discipline Push May Threaten Students | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD


    b. "The Obama-era Departments of Education and Justice – under education secretary Arne Duncan and Attorney General Eric Holder –issued school guidelines in 2014 that claimed students of color are “disproportionately impacted” by suspensions and expulsions, a situation they said leads to a “school-to-prison pipeline” that discriminates against minority and low-income students.

    According to the Obama administration’s 2014 “Dear Colleague” guidance, any school district whose disciplinary measures showed “disparate impact” – meaning a disproportionately greater number of minority students are affected – is open to investigation by [Obama] the Departments of Justice and Education, regardless of whether the behavior leading to the discipline is unacceptable."
    Broward County Likely ‘Inspiration’ for Obama School Discipline Policy to Report Fewer Arrests, Suspensions | Breitbart


    c. "Cruz assaulted students, cursed out teachers, kicked in classroom doors, started fist fights, threw chairs, threatened to kill other students, mutilated small animals, pulled a rifle on his mother, drank gasoline and cut himself, among other "red flags."
    Threatening to kill someone is a felony. In addition to locking Cruz away for a while, having a felony record would have prevented him from purchasing a gun.
    Cruz was never arrested. He wasn't referred to law enforcement. He wasn't even expelled."

    The School-To-Mass-Murder Pipeline


    d. Obama warned schools not to discipline school children, no matter their actions, if they were members of an authorized minority....meaning, the group voted Democrat.
    As a result, Nikolas Cruz was given a pass....multiple passes.....and that unblemished record allowed him to avoid being identified as a possible homicidal maniac.



    e. Liberals are responsible for
    creating Gun Free Zones
    prescribing psychotropic medicines to children
    and for the moronic idea behind the "school-to-prison pipeline" policy that allowed Nikolas Cruz to remain free and obtain a weapon.


    f. "The new policy resulted from an Obama administration effort begun in 2011 to keep students in school and improve racial outcomes (timeline here)..."
    https://www.realclearinvestigations...cipline_policy_and_the_parkland_shooting.html





    Gun control folks regularly bring up background checks.

    Why?

    Obama’s Promise Program resulted in Nikolas Cruz not having an arrest record…..nothing that a background check would reveal.

    So…..he could buy weapons legally.


    Obama, Liberal policies that favor criminals, was responsible for the massacre....not the NRA.
     
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    5. "A writer on the World Socialist website...[claimed] the Wendy's murders were neither gratuitous nor evil,...but rather reflected the poverty, injustice, and frustration of American society....



    To subscribe to this view, one must imagine that all poor people are evil, that they cannot have what we call 'human decency, and that any of us in the position of having the power to do so, would simply snuff out the lives of any who stand in our way.

    And, to believe that implies that wealth makes people virtuous.
    Really?
    This is what passes for thinking among Liberals.




    6. When I hear apologists for evil, when providing the explanation for all sorts of criminal behavior, say...."....he needed to put food on the table for his children (both of the murderers in the Wendy's Massacre had children)....what else could he do?"....and I have heard that even from talking heads on TV.....my blood boils.


    This is nothing but the acceptance of evil by its facilitators.
    Either they are evil themselves, or the worst sort of moral cowards.
     
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    give us a link:

    3. "A writer on the World Socialist website...[claimed] the Wendy's murders were neither gratuitous nor evil,...but rather reflected the poverty, injustice, and frustration of American society....
    Here is the moral mirror-work that yields relativism.
    An Unjust society's poverty (supposedly) clears the Wendy's killers, or mitigates their guilt. Society is responsible, not the individual criminals.


    ...a misguided ideological effort to explain away acts that originate not in the injustices of a social system but elsewhere- in viciousness and stupidity and indifference to life..." Lance Morrow, "Evil: An Investigation," p. 91-92
     
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    Oh I see where you are going with this, trying to blame mass murders on liberals and Obama. Nicolaus Cruz was not in the Promise Program. Do you even know anything about the Promise Program except for what the right wing talks about it. I doubt you do.
     
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    Here read about it. I am against suspending and expelling kids from schools , they need a alt ed program.

    Wonder how many mass shootings have been stopped since implementing the programs.

    Broward Prevention

    and PBIS
    PBIS.org Home Page
     
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    "give us a link:"

    WHAT???????

    No one who hasn't seen your opuses before would be able to interpret this post.
    The link is right there in the passage you quoted, you dunce.



    Unfortunately for you, it will be useless, as refers to a book.

    Here....let me help:

    book
    bo͝ok/
    noun
    1. 1.
      a written or printed work consisting of pages glued or sewn together along one side and bound in covers.
     
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