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The very essence of a "market value" is that it's not precise! I can sell you a barrel of oil at $75, but I might sell another to Jim at $65 five minutes later. Market value is not fixed, and is never fixed. It is in constant flux, and is entirely subjective
You see things in terms of Walmart shopping. You think that all things have a price tag built into them. Slap on the price tag, and presto it's a market value
Playground, that is the place for your intellectual capacityI already addressed this. Your market value is precise.
False. It is subjective and fluid.
You keep arguing the general meaning of the word "worth," which is not in contention
No. You're not paying attention apparently.
Winston Churchill: I can explain it to you, I cannot comprehend it for you.
Is that your want of saying that you'll never get it, no matter how well I explain it?
Well yes, you're absolutely right. Your thinking on this is obtuse, clumsy, and cumbersome, reminiscent of a large marble slab. Your insistence that market value must be "precise" indicates an inability to cope intellectually with fluidity and indeterminate possibilities. It is likely that you will never comprehend these things, and will only be able to achieve a limited "trained monkey" level of competency.
The very essence of a "market value" is that it's not precise! I can sell you a barrel of oil at $75, but I might sell another to Jim at $65 five minutes later. Market value is not fixed, and is never fixed. It is in constant flux, and is entirely subjective.
Do you have any kind of a point to make other than this?
No... market value is not fixed but "fixed" does not mean the same thing as "precise." Fixed means it is set and doesn't fluctuate. Precise means it is accurate and exact. Many things can certainly be accurate and exact but not fixed... the time on your watch, for instance.
So you seem to be having trouble with comprehending basic language which is making communication with you very difficult.
Can you support yourself in today's economy on the current minimum wage? And if you can, you barely get by. I've read the studies and ramifications. And sure the big boys upstairs would feel it in their checkbooks for a short while, but the long run would see great promise. So, how do you think, should the government raise the minimum wage?
Can you support yourself in today's economy on the current minimum wage? And if you can, you barely get by. I've read the studies and ramifications. And sure the big boys upstairs would feel it in their checkbooks for a short while, but the long run would see great promise. So, how do you think, should the government raise the minimum wage?
If minimum wage were increased then Walmart employees wouldn't need to be on welfare.
Once businesses paid their employees right the government could cut billions out of welfare. Our middle class would grow! The conservatives want a large working poor as they only care about the super rich by arguing against a higher minimum wage.
Can you support yourself in today's economy on the current minimum wage? And if you can, you barely get by. I've read the studies and ramifications. And sure the big boys upstairs would feel it in their checkbooks for a short while, but the long run would see great promise. So, how do you think, should the government raise the minimum wage?
If minimum wage were increased then Walmart employees wouldn't need to be on welfare.
Can you support yourself in today's economy on the current minimum wage? And if you can, you barely get by. I've read the studies and ramifications. And sure the big boys upstairs would feel it in their checkbooks for a short while, but the long run would see great promise. So, how do you think, should the government raise the minimum wage?
I think there should be a couple of "minimums" based on how big the business or corp is...Small businesses should have more flexibility with a minimum wage around 8.25 for businesses with income of less then 10 million per year,,,,9.25 for 50 million or less and 10.10 for 500 million per year. This way it doesn't harm business creation but it more fairly forces the big businesses to pay better wages...Maybe as we get to 5 and 10 billion per year corps we can demand 15 bucks per hour.
I feel this would work as most really big businesses are either piling the dollars up in some back room or paying their ceo's/board insane amounts of money.
The very essence of a "market value" is that it's not precise! I can sell you a barrel of oil at $75, but I might sell another to Jim at $65 five minutes later. Market value is not fixed, and is never fixed. It is in constant flux, and is entirely subjective.
Do you have any kind of a point to make other than this?
No... market value is not fixed but "fixed" does not mean the same thing as "precise." Fixed means it is set and doesn't fluctuate. Precise means it is accurate and exact. Many things can certainly be accurate and exact but not fixed... the time on your watch, for instance.
So you seem to be having trouble with comprehending basic language which is making communication with you very difficult.
A market value is never "precise." In order to be "accurate and exact" it would require it to be based entirely on tangible and objective metrics. However, as I have repeatedly stated, market value is subjective. Two jobs offering $40k a year may not have the same value. One might offer a series of bonuses in addition to base salary, while the other might offer no bonuses but pay on an hourly basis with the potential for overtime. One might have more favorable scheduling demands over the other. One might offer the opportunity to telecommute 90% of the time while the other might require 100% office attendance. One might be an advancement opportunity while the other might be an equivalent position as your current one.
These kind of intangible and subjective factors can factor in to a person's willingness to accept one or the other position. One company might be offering what amounts to a sweet deal for them, while the other might be offering what amounts to a very generous deal. The former might be completely unable to find another person who will accept the position for any less than $50k a year if I don't accept, with such alternates being less qualified or capable. My willingness to accept, or not, would be further influenced by my current position and circumstances. Maybe I'm so fed up with my current boss that I don't want to wait around much longer to hold out for more lucrative opportunities (or a more lucrative offer from the current companies).
You guys act like you're first year college students reading from a textbook. Maybe when you grow up and get some real world experience you'll realize that the nuances and details are far more intricate than the basic building block you learned about last week in lecture.
Yes, and those tangible and objective metrics are called "supply and demand" in a free market system.
Yes, and those tangible and objective metrics are called "supply and demand" in a free market system.
That was a really fucking stupid thing to say. "Supply and demand" are the exact opposite of precise and objective.
The best way to reduce welfare is to pay our workers right and we fucking know the super rich are having record profit.
And you think they're simply going to give up those record profits willingly? No, of course they won't. They'll simply raise prices on everything, until the new minimum wage is just as useless as the old minimum wage.
It hasn't, when the MW was raised to 7.25, prices barely moved.The best way to reduce welfare is to pay our workers right and we fucking know the super rich are having record profit.
And you think they're simply going to give up those record profits willingly? No, of course they won't. They'll simply raise prices on everything, until the new minimum wage is just as useless as the old minimum wage.
Wrong. You gotta show that has been the case with every increase in the last 75 years.
Bullshit buddy, the cost of living argument has been used against every MW increase proposal.. The cost of living goes up either way.
So....you believe the evil, greedy, corrupt rich guys at the top of the corporate ladder are simply going to volunteer to take the increase out of their own paychecks?
Plenty of wiggle room for wages.
Hey, buddy, guess what? You're wrong. "Bogus charts." Refute them.Plenty of wiggle room for wages.
But you're an idiot who doesn't understand business or capitalism, much less these bogus charts you keep throwing up. You're an emotive reactionary who thinks we can force capitalists to give up profits to satisfy your emotional needs. Number one, it doesn't work... Number two, your emotional needs can't ever be satisfied.
Wrong. You gotta show that has been the case with every increase in the last 75 years.
Show it then. Oh wait, you can't. Then again, you're ok with blowing up pregnant mothers with land mines..Wrong. You gotta show that has been the case with every increase in the last 75 years.
It has been the case for 82 years.
Wrong. You gotta show that has been the case with every increase in the last 75 years.
It has been the case for 82 years.
Hey, buddy, guess what? You're wrong. "Bogus charts." Refute them.Plenty of wiggle room for wages.
But you're an idiot who doesn't understand business or capitalism, much less these bogus charts you keep throwing up. You're an emotive reactionary who thinks we can force capitalists to give up profits to satisfy your emotional needs. Number one, it doesn't work... Number two, your emotional needs can't ever be satisfied.
Force capitalists? The MW has been around for many decades and this country once had massive tax rates while prospering.
