Should the control of public schools be returned to the states?

[Marion Morrison]

As most should know but maybe they do not...Public Schools are under control of the Federal Government.

How did that come about? Most probably do not remember the days when most kids lived closed enough to their public school they could walk or bike there.

All that changed when the government became obsessed with forcing integration on everyone. We all know how that has big one stupdenouos failure to the tune of billions and billions of dollars....and there is no end in sight....the the Feds keep puring money into that failed concept trying to make it work. If they had spent all that money on creating quality schools for blacks as well as for whites....we would have one fantastic school system.

Does anyone know just how one program alone involved with that costs us billions of dollars....bussing......huge,huge, hugely expensive and all it has done is to transfer ghetto problems to the suburbs.

No one knows the problems of the public schools like the local officials...but what is happening of course is that bureaucrats in Washington far removed .....are creating the policies for our public schools.

Depite all the evidence that Washington is the huge problem in so many areas....some want to give more and more control to the Feds. Why is that?

Hell yes! The students tested better before Fed involvement in the schools.

Education was better before Fed involvement.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Actually all school districts are independent locals, not state run, with the exception of universities and the like, just to clear up some confusion on who is nominally in control of public schools K1-K12.

Who really runs our schools?

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

 

[Picaro]

Actually all school districts are independent locals, not state run, with the exception of universities and the like, just to clear up some confusion on who is nominally in control of public schools K1-K12.

Who really runs our schools?

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually all school districts are independent locals, not state run, with the exception of universities and the like, just to clear up some confusion on who is nominally in control of public schools K1-K12.

Who really runs our schools?

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

 

[MacTheKnife]

Common sense does not apply when it comes to our public schools.

Everything went haywire with our public schools when the powers that be decided that schools should be used for other things than getting a good education.

Not even to mention the costs of the bussing programs to insure racial balance.

• Every school day, some 450,000 school buses transport almost 24 million children to and from schools and school-related activities. This makes school buses the largest mass transit program in the U.S. (https://www.nhtsa.gov/road-safety/school-buses)
• The United States spends $21.5 billion per year on school bus transportation at an average cost of $854 per student transported. (Safe Routes to School National Partnership)

Could not that money be better spent on building new neighborhood schools, hiring quality teachers, etc.etc.

The goal of striving for racial balances in our schools has come at a very,very high cost......not even to mention all the crimes associated with mixing white children with blacks....many parents will not even let their children ride school busses because they believe it is too dangerous...kids getting beat up on school busses, school bus drivers who are really unqualified to drive....all the wrecks and death associated with bussing and on and on....now even a lot of blacks believe black kids learn better with black teachers.

Time to re-consider neighborhood schools and if black kids really want to go to school with white kids out in the suburbs then let the federal government pay for the bus ride...at least it would not come out of the school budget.

If black schools in black neighborhoods had good teachers and facilities....then probably very few would even want to take that long bus ride out to the burbs.

Am I wrong?

 

[Lysistrata]

When have public schools been under the control of the federal government? I have paid big bucks to ensure that all children have access to a first class education in the arts, sciences, math, technology, and western cultural achievements.

Now we have a head of the Department of Education who is a cult fetishist who wants to run our schools according to her cult. Ain't no way. Absolutely not. I pay for schools, not indoctrination centers run by religious cults.

 

[Picaro]

Actually all school districts are independent locals, not state run, with the exception of universities and the like, just to clear up some confusion on who is nominally in control of public schools K1-K12.

Who really runs our schools?

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

never heard of 'common core', eh? It's merely the latest set of curriculum content requirements, like "No Child Left Behind", and several more subtle experiments.

 

[Picaro]

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Now we have a head of the Department of Education who is a cult fetishist who wants to run our schools according to her cult. Ain't no way. Absolutely not. I pay for schools, not indoctrination centers run by religious cults.

Yeah, that worked wonders on your IQ ...

 

[Lysistrata]

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Now we have a head of the Department of Education who is a cult fetishist who wants to run our schools according to her cult. Ain't no way. Absolutely not. I pay for schools, not indoctrination centers run by religious cults.

Yeah, that worked wonders on your IQ ...

In what way?

You sound like you are in the cults. This betsy-bitch is a cult sucker, just like her brother the mercenary, who bilked the U.S. government for millions.

Incidentally the family that betsy-bitch married into has been implicated in the scandal surrounding the kidnapping of migrant children.

 

[Picaro]

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Now we have a head of the Department of Education who is a cult fetishist who wants to run our schools according to her cult. Ain't no way. Absolutely not. I pay for schools, not indoctrination centers run by religious cults.

Yeah, that worked wonders on your IQ ...

In what way?

You sound like you are in the cults. This betsy-bitch is a cult sucker, just like her brother the mercenary, who bilked the U.S. government for millions.

Incidentally the family that betsy-bitch married into has been implicated in the scandal surrounding the kidnapping of migrant children.

Pipe down. You're too stupid to even be entertaining. Get your need for male attention from somebody else.

 

[elektra]

sadly, the federal government must control the schools. What my kid learns here, must be no different than what a kid learns in any other state.

We need a revolution in teaching. It should be free.

It should be online, homeschooling, or in classroom, but it all must be the same and all classes should be on the same page, on any particular day.

Certainly, it should not be common core bullcrap

 

[MacTheKnife]

sadly, the federal government must control the schools. What my kid learns here, must be no different than what a kid learns in any other state.

We need a revolution in teaching. It should be free.

It should be online, homeschooling, or in classroom, but it all must be the same and all classes should be on the same page, on any particular day.

Certainly, it should not be common core bullcrap

We need to restore common sense to our educational programs....first the basics ...reading, riting, and rithmetic...the 3 r's of yestoreyear......also.....quite blaming the teachers for all the problems....sure we need good teachers but too much of the blame for all the failures is placed on the backs of the teachers.

Also we need to face up to the fact that not all kids are equal....they have different apptitudes, talents etc.

A lot of kids...and I will not point fingers....but most will know who I am talking about anyhow....are not qualified for academics....they are a huge drag on the system and a waste of class space....they are the ones who threaten teachers, beat up teachers, and cause many, many problems in the classrooms....they need to be weeeded out irregardless of class,race or social status and given the opportunity to learn a trade...something they will be able to use to earn a living.

Only then will teachers be able to restore order in the classroom where the students irregardless of color will be able to learn without distractions and disruptions that are now so common.

Yet....this is not likely to happen....too many powerful figures are still hung up on using the schools for political and social purposes..

If we are ever to get back on the road where we used to be back when our public school system was the envy of the world....schools will have to be returned to local control and any monies coming from the federalis must come with no strings attached.

If that can be accomplished we can rebuild and restore neighborhood schools...where kids can walk or ride their bikes to school thus saving billions and billions of dollars wasted on the bussing of kids

You bring up a good point mentioning the possibility of 'online' teaching and or learning....maybe some schools are using that already ....they should be ....kids can learn a lot that way with the proper guidance and the proper material made available and it would cut down on the teachers workload.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The federal gov't has no business getting involved with education at any level. They fuck up everything they touch.

Exactly...and that is exactly what has happened to most of our public schools.

 

[Lysistrata]

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Now we have a head of the Department of Education who is a cult fetishist who wants to run our schools according to her cult. Ain't no way. Absolutely not. I pay for schools, not indoctrination centers run by religious cults.

Yeah, that worked wonders on your IQ ...

In what way?

You sound like you are in the cults. This betsy-bitch is a cult sucker, just like her brother the mercenary, who bilked the U.S. government for millions.

Incidentally the family that betsy-bitch married into has been implicated in the scandal surrounding the kidnapping of migrant children.

Pipe down. You're too stupid to even be entertaining. Get your need for male attention from somebody else.

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Now we have a head of the Department of Education who is a cult fetishist who wants to run our schools according to her cult. Ain't no way. Absolutely not. I pay for schools, not indoctrination centers run by religious cults.

Yeah, that worked wonders on your IQ ...

In what way?

You sound like you are in the cults. This betsy-bitch is a cult sucker, just like her brother the mercenary, who bilked the U.S. government for millions.

Incidentally the family that betsy-bitch married into has been implicated in the scandal surrounding the kidnapping of migrant children.

Pipe down. You're too stupid to even be entertaining. Get your need for male attention from somebody else.

So you are in the cults, too? Maybe some macho southern baptist with a gun?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Who really runs our schools?

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

never heard of 'common core', eh? It's merely the latest set of curriculum content requirements, like "No Child Left Behind", and several more subtle experiments.

Pardon me, but your incredible ignorance of the topic is showing!

Common core is a set of standards. It does not show you how to teach a damn thing. It tells you what a student needs to know, for example "A student should be able to calculate compound interest". It does not tell you how to teach it.

No Child Left Behind is not a curriculum either. Who told you this incredible bullshit story? I guarantee it was not a teacher.

Do you know who designed the curriculum for my high school mathematics classes? I did!

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A lot of kids...and I will not point fingers....but most will know who I am talking about anyhow....are not qualified for academics....they are a huge drag on the system and a waste of class space....they are the ones who threaten teachers, beat up teachers, and cause many, many problems in the classrooms....they need to be weeeded [sic] out irregardless [sic] of class,race or social status and given the opportunity to learn a trade...something they will be able to use to earn a living.

I don't know that I can speak for all the similar trades, but please don't dump those losers in my trade. They'd be a huge drag on my profession, just as they are a drag on the schools.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

sadly, the federal government must control the schools. What my kid learns here, must be no different than what a kid learns in any other state.

We need a revolution in teaching. It should be free.

It should be online, homeschooling, or in classroom, but it all must be the same and all classes should be on the same page, on any particular day.

Certainly, it should not be common core bullcrap

Ironically, you just described the entire purpose of Common Core.

When military families would move from state to state, their children often suffered from differing requirements. Several high school students coming into my Florida high school were forced to attend another year of high school in order to mee the more rigorous state standards than what were required in their previous states

 

[MacTheKnife]

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

never heard of 'common core', eh? It's merely the latest set of curriculum content requirements, like "No Child Left Behind", and several more subtle experiments.

Pardon me, but your incredible ignorance of the topic is showing!

Common core is a set of standards. It does not show you how to teach a damn thing. It tells you what a student needs to know, for example "A student should be able to calculate compound interest". It does not tell you how to teach it.

No Child Left Behind is not a curriculum either. Who told you this incredible bullshit story? I guarantee it was not a teacher.

Do you know who designed the curriculum for my high school mathematics classes? I did!

I think the fellow you replied to is more knowledgeable than you.

First of all 'No child left behind was an epic failure. Which reminds me of a old saying.....one size does not fit all. Remember how it was touted by the moronic George Bush?

Not only does Common Core regulate what will be taught, it dictates that students be tested and tracked by the federal government. The national centralization of curriculum decisions is one of the primary problems with Common Core. It is not only public schools that should be concerned with Common Core problems.

They named their handiwork the Common Core State Standards to hide the fact that it was driven by policymakers in Washington D.C., who have thus far shoved it into every state except Alaska, Minnesota, Nebraska, Texas, and Virginia.

Though here in Florida our New Governor has scrapped it.

Common core was rammed through with insufficient public dialogue or feedback from experienced educators, no research, no pilot or experimental programs — no evidence at all that a floor-length list created by unnamed people attempting to standardize what’s taught is a good idea.

It’s a bad idea. Ignore the fact that specific Common Core State Standards will open up enough cans of worms to keep subject-matter specialists arguing among themselves forever. Consider instead the merit of Standards from a general perspective:

One: Standards shouldn’t be attached to school subjects, but to the qualities of mind it’s hoped the study of school subjects promotes. Subjects are mere tools, just as scalpels, acetylene torches, and transits are tools. Surgeons, welders, surveyors — and teachers — should be held accountable for the quality of what they produce, not how they produce it.

Not even to mention it smacks of Fascism or Marxism.....the communist idealists in Moscow thought they could standardize Russia, the people, the economy etc.....not undertanding just how stupid they were and just how incredibly ignorant they were of Russia and its people and what would work and what would not.

One size does not fit all. Beware of any grouop or person who thinks they can decide what is best for everyone........and above all beware of everything that comes down from the bureaucrats in Washington.

Schools should not be a place where the Federalis can indoctrinate children in regards to anything....they have no business meddling in our schools. Keep them and their crazy ideas up there in the ivory towers of Washington. Let the various states and local communities run the schools like back in the day.

And.....of course back then a lot of our rural schools were just one big room.....but they turned out people who could read, write and do arithmetic.

Not saying we should return to one room schoolhouses....but we need to inject some common sense into how we are going to educate children in this world today.


What do you get when corporate interests combine with governmental force to take over education? Nationalized educational and economic fascism. Thankfully, more legislators are starting to wake up to the situation.

Common Core is Educational Fascism | Utahns Against Common Core



12 Reasons Common Core Falls Short | Thomas Armstrong, Ph.D.

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

never heard of 'common core', eh? It's merely the latest set of curriculum content requirements, like "No Child Left Behind", and several more subtle experiments.

Pardon me, but your incredible ignorance of the topic is showing!

Common core is a set of standards. It does not show you how to teach a damn thing. It tells you what a student needs to know, for example "A student should be able to calculate compound interest". It does not tell you how to teach it.

No Child Left Behind is not a curriculum either. Who told you this incredible bullshit story? I guarantee it was not a teacher.

Do you know who designed the curriculum for my high school mathematics classes? I did!

 

[Picaro]

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

never heard of 'common core', eh? It's merely the latest set of curriculum content requirements, like "No Child Left Behind", and several more subtle experiments.

Pardon me, but your incredible ignorance of the topic is showing!

Common core is a set of standards. It does not show you how to teach a damn thing. It tells you what a student needs to know, for example "A student should be able to calculate compound interest". It does not tell you how to teach it.

No Child Left Behind is not a curriculum either. Who told you this incredible bullshit story? I guarantee it was not a teacher.

Do you know who designed the curriculum for my high school mathematics classes? I did!

yes, it was obvious from the beginning you don't know what 'curriculum' means, and utterly clueless as to Federal requirements for its contents and programs. No surprise you're a teacher who doesn't know it, either.

 

[elektra]

Nice opinion piece; doesn't change the fact that all public schools are under local control, and no one has to take Federal money and subject themselves to Federal strings attached to the money.

But they do. It started out with no strings attached, once they were hooked, that didn't last long.

True, but they don't have to take it, and it is also possible to go back to the original intent as well, with the hands off policy and let the districts decide curriculum.

What makes you think they don't decide curriculum already? If they do not, the state does!

never heard of 'common core', eh? It's merely the latest set of curriculum content requirements, like "No Child Left Behind", and several more subtle experiments.

Pardon me, but your incredible ignorance of the topic is showing!

Common core is a set of standards. It does not show you how to teach a damn thing. It tells you what a student needs to know, for example "A student should be able to calculate compound interest". It does not tell you how to teach it.

No Child Left Behind is not a curriculum either. Who told you this incredible bullshit story? I guarantee it was not a teacher.

Do you know who designed the curriculum for my high school mathematics classes? I did!

Common core is more than just standards. In math you must use blocks to add and subtract. You must teach how to do common core.