Should Machine guns (fully automatic weapons) be legal for average citizens to own?

[M14 Shooter]

You want to ban 'assault weapons'?

Please feel free to soundly argue you case.
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[M14 Shooter]

We should legalize rocket launchers and grenades too. Hell, there's no reason why I can't have a few ICBM's in,my backyard. For my protection of course. And if you disagree you're a gun grabbing socialist.

I see you too seek the title of village useful Idiot.

Rocket launchers don't kill people. People kill people.

I'm sorry - is that suppose to be a point?

 

[TheOldSchool]

We should legalize rocket launchers and grenades too. Hell, there's no reason why I can't have a few ICBM's in,my backyard. For my protection of course. And if you disagree you're a gun grabbing socialist.

I see you too seek the title of village useful Idiot.

Rocket launchers don't kill people. People kill people.

I'm sorry - is that suppose to be a point?

Yes you gun grabbing marxist

 

[M14 Shooter]

We should legalize rocket launchers and grenades too. Hell, there's no reason why I can't have a few ICBM's in,my backyard. For my protection of course. And if you disagree you're a gun grabbing socialist.

I see you too seek the title of village useful Idiot.

Rocket launchers don't kill people. People kill people.

I'm sorry - is that suppose to be a point?

Yes you gun grabbing marxist

At least you're consistent in your mindless nonsense.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

What say you?

Machine guns are legal under federal law and in most states.
Of all the legal machine guns in civilians hands, only one has ever been used in a crime, and that was by a police officer.
There's no sound reason to ban machine guns from civilian ownership.

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"9/25/1985, Battle Vaughan/Miami Herald Staff: Undercover agents catalogue weapons seized, along with about 30 lb cocaine, at south Dade home. House surrounded with barbed-wire topped fence. Weapons included several rifles, shotguns, an Uzi semi-automatic carbine fitted into an attaché case; and a fully-automatic silencer equipped MAC10 machine gun,"


Plus there's the North Hollywood bank roberry which involved full auto weapons fire from the robbers.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What say you?

Machine guns are legal under federal law and in most states.
Of all the legal machine guns in civilians hands, only one has ever been used in a crime, and that was by a police officer.
There's no sound reason to ban machine guns from civilian ownership.

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

 

[M14 Shooter]

"9/25/1985, Battle Vaughan/Miami Herald Staff: Undercover agents catalogue weapons seized, along with about 30 lb cocaine, at south Dade home. House surrounded with barbed-wire topped fence. Weapons included several rifles, shotguns, an Uzi semi-automatic carbine fitted into an attaché case; and a fully-automatic silencer equipped MAC10 machine gun,"
Plus there's the North Hollywood bank roberry which involved full auto weapons fire from the robbers.

Of all the legal machine guns in civilian hands,..

 

[Delta4Embassy]

What say you?

Machine guns are legal under federal law and in most states.
Of all the legal machine guns in civilians hands, only one has ever been used in a crime, and that was by a police officer.
There's no sound reason to ban machine guns from civilian ownership.

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Doesn't change anything. There's no legal civilian application requiring full automatic fire. Full-auto capable weapons are tools of warfare. Don't even see a legitimate need for them in police hands.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What say you?

Machine guns are legal under federal law and in most states.
Of all the legal machine guns in civilians hands, only one has ever been used in a crime, and that was by a police officer.
There's no sound reason to ban machine guns from civilian ownership.

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

Which is, of course, illegal...
Good bet that that the machine guns used ion the drug-related crimes you mention came from outside the country, not weapons stolen from legal American owners.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Doesn't change anything. There's no legal civilian application requiring full automatic fire. Full-auto capable weapons are tools of warfare. Don't even see a legitimate need for them in police hands.

People do not have to show a need to have a gun.
The state, however, has to show a need to ban them.
Where's the need to ban machine guns?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

What say you?

Machine guns are legal under federal law and in most states.
Of all the legal machine guns in civilians hands, only one has ever been used in a crime, and that was by a police officer.
There's no sound reason to ban machine guns from civilian ownership.

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

Which is, of course, illegal...
Good bet that that the machine guns used ion the drug-related crimes you mention came from outside the country, not weapons stolen from legal American owners.

Once you've robbed a bank and started shooting at police the legal status of your weapons is moot.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Machine guns are legal under federal law and in most states.
Of all the legal machine guns in civilians hands, only one has ever been used in a crime, and that was by a police officer.
There's no sound reason to ban machine guns from civilian ownership.

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

Which is, of course, illegal...
Good bet that that the machine guns used ion the drug-related crimes you mention came from outside the country, not weapons stolen from legal American owners.

Once you've robbed a bank and started shooting at police the legal status of your weapons is moot.

Point is that legal machine guns pose no demonstrable threat to anyone.

 

[Brain357]

Doesn't change anything. There's no legal civilian application requiring full automatic fire. Full-auto capable weapons are tools of warfare. Don't even see a legitimate need for them in police hands.

Not for defense that is for sure. But what would a mass shooter do with one?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Seem to recall south Florida drug wars in the 80s involving rather a lot of full auto weapons fire.

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

Which is, of course, illegal...
Good bet that that the machine guns used ion the drug-related crimes you mention came from outside the country, not weapons stolen from legal American owners.

Once you've robbed a bank and started shooting at police the legal status of your weapons is moot.

Point is that legal machine guns pose no demonstrable threat to anyone.

Counterpoint being there's no legitimate application for such weapons except in a war.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Doesn't change anything. There's no legal civilian application requiring full automatic fire. Full-auto capable weapons are tools of warfare. Don't even see a legitimate need for them in police hands.

Not for defense that is for sure. But what would a mass shooter do with one?

Oddly enough I'd rather mass shooters all used fully automatic-only weapons since then they wouldn't hit shit. No such thing as accurate full-auto fire outside of professional shooting demonstrations using recoil stabilized mods and such.

 

[Brain357]

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

Which is, of course, illegal...
Good bet that that the machine guns used ion the drug-related crimes you mention came from outside the country, not weapons stolen from legal American owners.

Once you've robbed a bank and started shooting at police the legal status of your weapons is moot.

Point is that legal machine guns pose no demonstrable threat to anyone.

Counterpoint being there's no legitimate application for such weapons except in a war.

Mass shooters would love them.

 

[Brain357]

Doesn't change anything. There's no legal civilian application requiring full automatic fire. Full-auto capable weapons are tools of warfare. Don't even see a legitimate need for them in police hands.

Not for defense that is for sure. But what would a mass shooter do with one?

Oddly enough I'd rather mass shooters all used fully automatic-only weapons since then they wouldn't hit shit. No such thing as accurate full-auto fire outside of professional shooting demonstrations using recoil stabilized mods and such.

I'm sure they would hit plenty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I highlighted the relevant part of my post that speaks to your response.

Fair enough. Kinda moot though, anyhing legal eventually ends up in a criminal's hands. The North Hollywood shooting used converted legal semi-autos modified to fire full-auto.

Which is, of course, illegal...
Good bet that that the machine guns used ion the drug-related crimes you mention came from outside the country, not weapons stolen from legal American owners.

Once you've robbed a bank and started shooting at police the legal status of your weapons is moot.

Point is that legal machine guns pose no demonstrable threat to anyone.

Counterpoint being there's no legitimate application for such weapons except in a war.

Even if true, that goes back to citing a "need" to exercise a right.
Rosa Parks needed to sit in the front of the bus exactly as much as civilians need machine guns.