Should homosexuals procreate?

[Anguille]

Why would any true Muslim disagree with the God given laws of an Islamic country?

It's a cop out to say 'I'm right because God is speaking through me".

 

[Sunni Man]

That does not surprise me. You have become increasingly demented since you arrived here.

So a person has to believe in the holocaust to be normal?

 

[mattskramer]

Its all a matter of the literal interpretation Sunni and the interesting thing here is it's not a matter of ignoring Gods word at all, It's that other part of the Bible called the new Testament that you seem to forget that offsets it. Further, most Christian religions do not have a government that is run by Imams that issue Fatwahs calling for the deaths of Americans or in this case homosexuals based on their reading of the Koran. The other thing here, is you a citizen of an Islamic state have no room to disagree with that decision.

The New Testament says strange stuff too. Did you know that you are to not provide support to young widows?

 

[Navy1960]

Why would any true Muslim disagree with the God given laws of an Islamic country?

Perhaps because that country's leaders are taking that law and using it to the destruction of their fellow man?

"...whosoever killeth a human being... it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind..."

 

[newpolitics]

So a person has to believe in the holocaust to be normal?

You don't believe in the holocaust? Have you picked up a history book? Have you seen survivors speak? Have you seen pictures? Have you followed the succession of events that have followed?

Do you're beliefs necessitate you to believe this, or do you just choose to bypass your intellectual curiousity? God help us as a species...

 

[Navy1960]

The New Testament says strange stuff too. Did you know that you are to not provide support to young widows?

Yes but then again, I'm not being run by a counsel that issues editcs that tells me this is how you are to believe and you are to kill those who don't believe as we do. If I read the bible and I think it's full of shit then I as an individual can say so. Whereas you even elude to that in the Muslim world and see how far that gets you.

 

[Sunni Man]

You don't believe in the holocaust? Have you picked up a history book? Have you seen survivors speak? Have you seen pictures? Have you followed the succession of events that have followed?

Do you're beliefs necessitate you to believe this, or do you just choose to bypass your intellectual curiousity? God help us as a species...

I am a long time student of WWII history and the role of the Nazis in that conflict.

I have come to the conclusion that the so called Holocaust is a greatly exegerated fraud and the 6 million figure is just a made up number.

Yes, some Jews were killed. But there was No organized genicide of them.

It was a hoax made up by the Zionists to get sympathy so that the world would give them the area now called Israel.

Now the fraudlent Holocaust story has become a money making industry for Israel and the money grubbing Zionist Jews.

 

[del]

I continue to hope that Sunni man is not a representative of his religion, but my hope dims with each of his posts.

i'm hoping he's a separate and distinct species, but i know i'm wrong.

 

[newpolitics]

I am a long time student of WWII history and the role of the Nazis in that conflict.

I have come to the conclusion that the so called Holocaust is a greatly exegerated fraud and the 6 million figure is just a made up number.

Yes, some Jews were killed. But there was No organized genicide of them.

It was a hoax made up by the Zionists to get sympathy so that the world would give them the area now called Israel.

Now the fraudlent Holocaust story has become a money making industry for Israel and the money grubbing Zionist Jews.

Do yo know how hard it would be to feign something like that, to forge all of the false information, in the face of the world, of all of the troops that went over there and saw it firsthand. The bodies, the concentration camps... who did you study under? I think, perhaps, you need to revise your sources.

 

[newpolitics]

i'm hoping he's a separate and distinct species, but i know i'm wrong.

You're not wrong. His beliefs do not reflect Islam. Much the same as Christian bigots do not represent Christianity. Religion is supposed to be a beautiful thing, not a vehicle for hate or personal attack. Each religion has as it's main premise, Love, including Islam. It is only those that choose to see the evil in it, that make these kind of accusations, out of seem need to express anger at the world, probably for more psychological reasons than anything else, not out of intellectual errancy.

 

[del]

You're not wrong. His beliefs do not reflect Islam. Much the same as Christian bigots do not represent Christianity. Religion is supposed to be a beautiful thing, not a vehicle for hate or personal attack. Each religion has as it's main premise, Love, including Islam. It is only those that choose to see the evil in it, that make these kind of accusations, out of seem need to express anger at the world, probably for more psychological reasons than anything else, not out of intellectual errancy.

i'm sorry, but i have no idea what you're saying relates to what i posted.

 

[Sunni Man]

Do yo know how hard it would be to feign something like that, to forge all of the false information, in the face of the world, of all of the troops that went over there and saw it firsthand. The bodies, the concentration camps... who did you study under? I think, perhaps, you need to revise your sources.

Yes, many Jews were rounded up and put in work camps.

Yes, some died of disease, sarvation, or exicuted.


But not the mythical 6 million as advertized by the Zionists.

At the most a couple of hundred thousand lost their lives.


Many times people are showed photos of a few bodies, or maybe up to a hundred.

But all of the photos added up would just show a few thousand bodies.

Not the fictcious 6 million!!

 

[Gunny]

Yes, many Jews were rounded up and put in work camps.

Yes, some died of disease, sarvation, or exicuted.


But not the mythical 6 million as advertized by the Zionists.

At the most a couple of hundred thousand lost their lives.


Many times people are showed photos of a few bodies, or maybe up to a hundred.

But all of the photos added up would just show a few thousand bodies.

Not the fictcious 6 million!!

And the meticulous lists the Nazis kept that add up to 6M are forgeries, right?

 

[Navy1960]

English: Telegram from deputy commander of Aktion Reinhard, listing number of deaths in the extermination camps. Translation:
Letter and 14 day report year-end report

Camp i.d. to 31.12.1942 1942 total
L ? Lublin 12761 24733
B ? Belzec 0 434508
S ? Sobibor 515 101370
T ? Treblinka 10335 713555 (*)
total: 23611 1274166

The Höfle Telegram[1] (or Hoefle Telegram) is a document discovered in 2000 among recently declassified World War II materials from the Public Record Office in Kew, England. The document consists of two messages, one to SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin, and one to SS Oberststurmbannführer Heim, in Cracow, sent by SS Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11 1943. It gave arrivals in the prior fortnight, and arrivals for the year, for the camps of Einsatz Reinhardt (later more commonly called Aktion Reinhard) to December 31, 1942.

Thats 1942, you do know what year the War ended right? or do you want me to put that here for you too?

The burn pits at Auschwitz*

I can go on and on but you people who deny history only do so because you wish to repeat it.

 

[newpolitics]

i'm sorry, but i have no idea what you're saying relates to what i posted.

I was simply saying that Sunni Man does not represent Islam, and that Islam shouldn't be judged by this one man's errant beliefs.

 

[Gunny]

I was simply saying that Sunni Man does not represent Islam, and that Islam shouldn't be judged by this one man's errant beliefs.

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not judging Islam at all. However, let's don't pretend we haven't heard his rhetoric before ... like from the President of an Islamic Republic that held a damned conference to deny the Holocaust.

I suppose Alphabet doesn't represent the Islamic Republc of Iran what with only being President and all ....

I can at least understand Arabs/Persian who believe that crap from their leaders, but Sunniman is a 60+ years old American who knows better and still spews the bullshit. There's NO excuse for him.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not judging Islam at all. However, let's don't pretend we haven't heard his rhetoric before ... like from the President of an Islamic Republic that held a damned conference to deny the Holocaust.

I suppose Alphabet doesn't represent the Islamic Republc of Iran what with only being President and all ....

I can at least understand Arabs/Persian who believe that crap from their leaders, but Sunniman is a 60+ years old American who knows better and still spews the bullshit. There's NO excuse for him.

Thank you... There is a vast and terrifying irony where Muslims deny the holocaust. They deny the incomprehensible brutality inflicted by the National Socialists upon the Jews and many other ethnic minorities throughout Europe, in order to first rob the Jews of that history; which they believe undermines the recognition that stands as the valid justification which established the Jewish state and secondly, to try and reduce the stigma wrought by the Nazis; to in effect revise history to reflect: "The Nazis weren't such bad guys..." as this sect of Islam were arm in arm with the National Socialists German Workers Party and remain unapologetically as such to this day. Third... and finally, the reason they want to establish this myth (which many leftists in the US and Europe either have bought or are buying into, in a big way...) is to paint the Jews as 'dirty liars', untrustworthy and pretty much to represent all of the longstanding Jew-hater propaganda in order to position themselves with a juicy rationalization by which to justify an attack on the Israel and do MUCH worse; to kill vastly MORE Jews than the Nazis ever dreamed...

 

[Sunni Man]

but Sunniman is a 60+ years old American who knows better and still spews the bullshit. There's NO excuse for him.

Hold up there!!

I am only 58 Gunny

 

[mattskramer]

Yes but then again, I'm not being run by a counsel that issues editcs that tells me this is how you are to believe and you are to kill those who don't believe as we do. If I read the bible and I think it's full of shit then I as an individual can say so. Whereas you even elude to that in the Muslim world and see how far that gets you.

Cute tangent, but let’s not get off the subject. One can’t argue that homosexuality is wrong on the basis of the Bible unless he is willing to accept every single sentence that the Bible says as absolute truth. In addition to that, we are not a theocratic state. There are atheists in America. One does not have to believe in the Bible. Therefore, the Bible argument against homosexuality is shot down

 

[Sunni Man]

Since this thread is about homos, and not the so called holocaust.

I started a thread about the Holocaust.

I started to put it under Humor where it belongs.

But I decided to have it listed under Education and History.