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I know this is a very emotional and controversial subject but it think it does have to be confronted. I'm not talking about Private Unions,i'm just talking about Government/Public Unions. So what do you think?
they are not governmnt unions. just because someone works for the government doesn't mean they have no rights.
I don't think they should be abolished, but I do think they should be voluntary. And I do think their compensation and benefits should be tied to some kind of index or combination of indexes for inflation or prices instead of getting lavish pensions and medical insurance and the like from the very pols they contribute tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to.
Well sure. Let's get rid of all unions. Then, let's go after child labor laws and minimum wage.
I know this is a very emotional and controversial subject but it think it does have to be confronted. I'm not talking about Private Unions,i'm just talking about Government/Public Unions. So what do you think?
no
i can only speak for the PO.....if it wasn't for that Union the worker would be treated like shit.....and i am NOT talking about pay and Benefits....im talking how the worker gets treated by Management....a good many managers in the PO are motherfucking assholes....as well as being piss poor managers....
I know this is a very emotional and controversial subject but it think it does have to be confronted. I'm not talking about Private Unions,i'm just talking about Government/Public Unions. So what do you think?
First Amendment Free Association Cases
A number of United States Supreme Court decisions recognize that the First
Amendment’s protections of the right to free association extends to union activities in
public employment. See, e.g., Thornhill v. Alabama, 310 U.S. 88 (1940); Smith v.
Arkansas State Hwy. Employees Local 1315, 441 U.S. 463, 465 (1979). Such
Constitutional protections exist, of course, without regard to whether a state has adopted
a public sector collective bargaining statute. Speech relating to union organizing activity
is generally deemed to be a matter of public concern. Thus, “the right to discuss and
inform people concerning the advantages and disadvantages of unions and joining them .
. . is part of free assembly.” Thomas v. Collins, 323 U.S. 516, 533 ((1945).
http://apps.americanbar.org/labor/annualconference/2007/materials/data/papers/v2/066.pdf
Yes. Too much corruption.
Unions and the collective bargaining, political power and unavoidable corruption that go along with them have done more damage than proponents will admit.
Evidence in support? Or is this merely your subjective, uninformed opinion?Yes--and FDR agrees with me. While FDR was pro-private sector union he was against public unions because they can hold taxpayer funded budgets HOSTAGE.
I don't think they should be abolished, but I do think they should be voluntary.
I know this is a very emotional and controversial subject but it think it does have to be confronted. I'm not talking about Private Unions,i'm just talking about Government/Public Unions. So what do you think?
Fortunately it doesnt make any difference what anybody thinks, abolishing public sector unions is un-Constitutional and illegal, as such an effort by the state would be a violation of the First Amendment:
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Unions restrict competition and competition regulates pay and pay determines what is pumped into the economy...
Both private and public sector unions are horrible for the economy...
Every state should be right to work state...... It just so happens many people have no choice but to join a union if they want a job and their pay isn't based on their own negotiation or their performance, its based on a collective performance and negotiated by an asshole most union members don't even personally know....
When I worked in machine operation I was a member of the Steel Workers/Shop Keepers union (local) and I had an opportunity to read the CBA they had with the company I worked for and it was absolutely ridiculous... They had a stipulation that demanded turkeys for all employees on every major holiday (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Mothers Day and Easter).... WTF. I was only paying like 30 bucks in union dues a month for a turkey 4 times a year?? Oh and then once a month the company I worked for was forced to throw a "food party" which really was nothing more than a "pizza party."
It was fucking retarded...
It was almost like everyone was treated as a 8-year-old... I mean I was sent to the fucking hospital because I cut my hand, where I was promptly given a band aid a bottle of 200 dollar hospital Tylenol, drug tests and a Tetanus shot...
Useless....
We have no way to enforce the Dicipline that makes for a good classroom.
We have no way to remove an unrully student.
We have no recourse when giving grades, 'cause the parents get them changed with a visit to the principal.
We have a constitutional right of free association. It is constitutionally impossible to ban unions, public or private. Since the peak of union membership in the late 60s-early 70s unions have been under attack in many different ways and it seems management is winning since unions abandoned their formerly militant methods but no one has tried to ban public unions because of that damned constitution, that does not stop them from chipping away at them in ways that push the envelope of constitutionality. I have often heard it said there was a time when unions were useful and did a lot of good but I have also wondered just how far we must slide back into unchecked exploitation before they become necessary again, for some apparently, no level of exploitation is too much and workers have only the right to shut up and take whatever management can do to them.
Unions restrict competition and competition regulates pay and pay determines what is pumped into the economy...
Both private and public sector unions are horrible for the economy...
Every state should be right to work state...... It just so happens many people have no choice but to join a union if they want a job and their pay isn't based on their own negotiation or their performance, its based on a collective performance and negotiated by an asshole most union members don't even personally know....
When I worked in machine operation I was a member of the Steel Workers/Shop Keepers union (local) and I had an opportunity to read the CBA they had with the company I worked for and it was absolutely ridiculous... They had a stipulation that demanded turkeys for all employees on every major holiday (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Mothers Day and Easter).... WTF. I was only paying like 30 bucks in union dues a month for a turkey 4 times a year?? Oh and then once a month the company I worked for was forced to throw a "food party" which really was nothing more than a "pizza party."
It was fucking retarded...
It was almost like everyone was treated as a 8-year-old... I mean I was sent to the fucking hospital because I cut my hand, where I was promptly given a band aid a bottle of 200 dollar hospital Tylenol, drug tests and a Tetanus shot...
Useless....
You do realize that the reason your pay scale was different from an illegals pay scale was your union. And that without your union, you wouldn't be getting much in the way of medical care for any workplace injury.
We have no way to enforce the Dicipline that makes for a good classroom.
We have no way to remove an unrully student.
We have no recourse when giving grades, 'cause the parents get them changed with a visit to the principal.
Work rules are one of the prime motivators for unionizing. What you are describing is a union without the power to define the work environment. Removing unions certainly won't improve that.
Should Government/Public Unions Be Abolished?
Well sure. Let's get rid of all unions. Then, let's go after child labor laws and minimum wage.
You dumbass... when did anybody say that?
Thats the problem with folks like you. There is NO way to have an intelligent conversation with you
I know this is a very emotional and controversial subject but it think it does have to be confronted. I'm not talking about Private Unions,i'm just talking about Government/Public Unions. So what do you think?
no
Very intelligent
The taxpayers have no say in the negotiations....how is it a good thing when the ones footing the bill have 0 say in it?
Unions restrict competition and competition regulates pay and pay determines what is pumped into the economy...
Both private and public sector unions are horrible for the economy...
Every state should be right to work state...... It just so happens many people have no choice but to join a union if they want a job and their pay isn't based on their own negotiation or their performance, its based on a collective performance and negotiated by an asshole most union members don't even personally know....
When I worked in machine operation I was a member of the Steel Workers/Shop Keepers union (local) and I had an opportunity to read the CBA they had with the company I worked for and it was absolutely ridiculous... They had a stipulation that demanded turkeys for all employees on every major holiday (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Mothers Day and Easter).... WTF. I was only paying like 30 bucks in union dues a month for a turkey 4 times a year?? Oh and then once a month the company I worked for was forced to throw a "food party" which really was nothing more than a "pizza party."
It was fucking retarded...
It was almost like everyone was treated as a 8-year-old... I mean I was sent to the fucking hospital because I cut my hand, where I was promptly given a band aid a bottle of 200 dollar hospital Tylenol, drug tests and a Tetanus shot...
Useless....
We have a constitutional right of free association. It is constitutionally impossible to ban unions, public or private. Since the peak of union membership in the late 60s-early 70s unions have been under attack in many different ways and it seems management is winning since unions abandoned their formerly militant methods but no one has tried to ban public unions because of that damned constitution, that does not stop them from chipping away at them in ways that push the envelope of constitutionality. I have often heard it said there was a time when unions were useful and did a lot of good but I have also wondered just how far we must slide back into unchecked exploitation before they become necessary again, for some apparently, no level of exploitation is too much and workers have only the right to shut up and take whatever management can do to them.
There is a difference between the First Amendment and extortion...
Not to mention since unions pay dues they could be considered a business...
Back in the day when the mafia(s) were running the game they were charged with extortion and racketeering - what makes these new age politically connected fools any different??? because they re-purchased government protection instead of mafia protection???
If you didn't notice the unions as an organization donated massively to the Obama campaign back in 08 and Obama turned around and had the stimulus' passed - which of course went into the unions pockets - however then took over a fucking company (GM) and created the cash for clunkers program which smashed used cars to create a demand for new cars manufactured by whom??? oh yeah UAW - a union..
That fuck Obama should be charged with numerous crimes including money laundering....
