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Plain and simple....some people do not want healthcare because they want to spend their money on other stuff...
Now that freedom has been taken away from them. They will be forced to spend money on something they don't want if the provision remains in the law. This violates the Commerce clause in many constitutional lawyer's opinions. That's why it's going to the Supreme Court.
There is NO free health care...NONE...
ALL you are refusing to do is be responsible for yourself. Instead, while you are buying your big screen TV and X-box, responsible citizens will be FORCED to pay for YOU...
YOU fit the welfare mentality to a T
If one cannot afford private health insurance, is not qualified for Medicare or Medicaid, he or she cannot get health care except in free clinics or hospital ERs, which do not engage in health "care" beyond minor ailments. It's a no-brainer.
Please explain what difference it makes.
I do not currently have health insurance. My right to not purchase health insurance in the future is threatened.
However, I would rather be insured and when things in my life change, that too will change. That does not change the fact however, that my right to choose not to purchase health insurance is threatened.
Immie
Please explain why you would not have health insurance and what your current plans are if you become seriously ill or injured. Don't you think unemployed people should have coverage?
The reason I am uninsured is that I am unemployed for the time being. I have thus far chosen not to take COBRA because the cost is prohibitive (even with the subsidy that passed in 2009) although I have until May 20th to decide if I want to continue coverage. If nothing serious happens between now and then, I will go uninsured until I find employment or an affordable policy.
If something serious happens... well, then, I will have to deal with that when the time comes. As of right now, feeding my family, keeping their roof over their heads and keeping them clothed are more important to me.
Your question about the unemployed is a good one. I would guess that you have read posts from me about my feelings on those who are uninsured, because I have said it in many different threads, but you may have missed it or not realized that it was me who said it.
I think those who do not have insurance and want insurance should be provided it. I am more than willing to have my taxes increased (when I am working that is, not much I can say right now) in order to make sure that needy families have needed care. I am, however, opposed to the mandate because many of those needy who are going to be forced to purchase insurance, are not going to receive 100% subsidies and are not going to be able to afford paying for these insurance plans with or without subsidies. In other words, it is going to add hardships to these families, not to mention the problems that this is going to give small businesses who are going to have to add people onto their policies who don't have it now and don't want it and the possibility that this will cause more unemployment. I have given my thoughts on what this will do to small business before. Right now, I'd rather not write it out again if you don't mind.
Immie
Case and statute law does not uphold the conservatives' wishes in this debate. They can say it all they want, but they are wrong. But, if they are right, we will end up with a two-tier option, similar to Australia's health care system.
Playing the Race Card is a concession that you don't have a valid point to make.
Just sayin'.
It is just putting into historical perspective the yearning for "the good ole days" when we had so much more freedom.
We have never had as much freedom as we do right now
Try again, dimwit. We had WAY more freedom in the 70s until Carter introduced gas lines to us.
Exceptional FREEDOM?
The Bush-Cheney regime exhibited such extreme modes of governance in its embrace of an imperial presidency, its violation of domestic and international law, and its disdain for human rights and democratic values that it was hard to view such anti-democratic policies as part of a pervasive shift towards a hidden order of authoritarian politics, which historically has existed at the margins of American society. How else to label such a government other than shockingly and uniquely extremist, given its political legacy that included the rise of the security and torture state; the creation of legal illegalities in which civil liberties were trampled; the launching of an unjust war in Iraq legitimated through official lies; the passing of legislative policies that drained the federal surplus by giving away more than a trillion dollars in tax cuts to the rich; the enactment of a shameful policy of preemptive war; the endorsement of an inflated military budget at the expense of much-needed social programs; the selling off of as many government functions as possible to corporate interests; the resurrection of an imperial presidency; an incessant attack against unions; support for a muzzled and increasingly corporate-controlled media; government production of fake news reports to gain consent for regressive policies; use of an Orwellian vocabulary for disguising monstrous acts such as torture ("enhanced interrogation techniques"); furtherance of a racist campaign of legal harassment and incarceration of Arabs, Muslims and immigrants; advancement of a prison binge through a repressive policy of criminalization; establishment of an unregulated and ultimately devastating form of casino capitalism; the arrogant celebration and support for the interests and values of big business at the expense of citizens and the common good, and the dismantling of social services and social safety nets as part of a larger campaign of ushering in the corporate state and the reign of finance capital.
Blah ... buh blah blah blah .... blah blah blah blah.... buh blah blah blah ......
Other than vague bullshit, you still have not identified a single freedom that has been lost.
Freedom to build?
Freedom to choose who to work for?
Are you guys really that lame?
That argument is not any different than the one used by real rightwingerswhen I used to say that the Patriot Act threatened our freedoms. Every time I would say that some kook would say, "what freedoms have you lost?". I'm sorry, maybe people don't understand, The Patriot Act threatened my freedom and so does HCR. It is a threat to freedom. It is a threat to my right to make a choice. I'm sure you have heard of the "freedom to choose" right? Isn't that the freedom that pro-choice people shout about all the time?
Well, I no longer have that right in regards to my health care. In four years I will have to choose a government puppet that promises to pay what the government says it can pay in regards to my health care. I won't be able to choose the plan that is best for me. I will have to take what the government is willing to give me. That is just one freedom that I lost two weeks ago when Obama flashed both his smile and his pen.
I won't be able to choose the most cost effective plan either, because all premiums will be regulated by the government which means Health Insurance companies won't be able to offer me a lower premium than the other guy. Where's my choice?
Immie
That is totally not true. If you want an insurer exclusive of any that participate in the exchange, you can do it. That point was stressed over and over and over again: If you like your own health care provider, you can keep it. The HCR provides for choices that people WHO DO NOT HAVE COVERAGE to pick policies offering lower premiums that they CAN afford.
Blah ... buh blah blah blah .... blah blah blah blah.... buh blah blah blah ......
Well, this response provides more evidenc that my assessment of you as a STUPID asshole is spot on. And another thing, buh (oops, sic) blah, blah...
What it means is some people are tired of listening to stupid, moronic leftwingnut rhetoric. Tell me ... which page from the political idiot's leftwingnut guide book did he quote that from?
And you're a fucking pussy. Not even bright one. You think neg rep-ing me with your whole "5"points is playing up to your fantasy of being the dragonslayer?
You couldn't lick my boots, boy. Grow a brain and some balls. THEN come on back and see me. Fuckwit.
Blah ... buh blah blah blah .... blah blah blah blah.... buh blah blah blah ......
The left is just so full of themselves they often have no choice but to vommit out that overflow of blatherings
Better be careful. Rye snatcher will neg you.
Please explain why you would not have health insurance and what your current plans are if you become seriously ill or injured. Don't you think unemployed people should have coverage?
The reason I am uninsured is that I am unemployed for the time being. I have thus far chosen not to take COBRA because the cost is prohibitive (even with the subsidy that passed in 2009) although I have until May 20th to decide if I want to continue coverage. If nothing serious happens between now and then, I will go uninsured until I find employment or an affordable policy.
If something serious happens... well, then, I will have to deal with that when the time comes. As of right now, feeding my family, keeping their roof over their heads and keeping them clothed are more important to me.
Your question about the unemployed is a good one. I would guess that you have read posts from me about my feelings on those who are uninsured, because I have said it in many different threads, but you may have missed it or not realized that it was me who said it.
I think those who do not have insurance and want insurance should be provided it. I am more than willing to have my taxes increased (when I am working that is, not much I can say right now) in order to make sure that needy families have needed care. I am, however, opposed to the mandate because many of those needy who are going to be forced to purchase insurance, are not going to receive 100% subsidies and are not going to be able to afford paying for these insurance plans with or without subsidies. In other words, it is going to add hardships to these families, not to mention the problems that this is going to give small businesses who are going to have to add people onto their policies who don't have it now and don't want it and the possibility that this will cause more unemployment. I have given my thoughts on what this will do to small business before. Right now, I'd rather not write it out again if you don't mind.
Immie
Immie, if you are still unemployed through no fault of your own, you should be able to receive Medicaid.
Is that a future post, or are you referring to your childish tantrum about being free to shirk YOUR personal responsibility and stick everyone ELSE with YOUR medical costs? You lazy fucking welfare queen socialist commie...
This coming from a fucking retard who can't even get a job and pull his own fat ass weight in society....too fucking funny.
As one who is currently unemployed due to the economic conditions this country currently faces, I find this post offensive. Just sayin'
I don't know anything at all about Bfgrn, but things are tough out there and I know I am struggling to get back to work. It will come... hopefully sooner rather than later.
Immie
The freedom to keep what I earn and not have to pay for those who wont get off their ass to earn their own.
Obama did that? I seem to recall there were 43 other administrations before him, each of which embraced the same concept.
Wrong!!!!!
Not a single one of them embraced mandatory healthcare with fines for non compliance. try again.
Plain and simple....some people do not want healthcare because they want to spend their money on other stuff...
Now that freedom has been taken away from them. They will be forced to spend money on something they don't want if the provision remains in the law. This violates the Commerce clause in many constitutional lawyer's opinions. That's why it's going to the Supreme Court.
There is NO free health care...NONE...
ALL you are refusing to do is be responsible for yourself. Instead, while you are buying your big screen TV and X-box, responsible citizens will be FORCED to pay for YOU...
YOU fit the welfare mentality to a T
As usual you are lying through your tooth.....
and FYI...I have healthcare because I choose to work and contribute to society... unlike you.
If someone CHOOSES NOT TO HAVE HEALTHCARE it's their right. With that right comes consequences. Making it madatory for someone to purchase healthcare from a private company is unconstitutional.
Your communist utopia will never exist in America. my suggestion to you is move to Bulgaria.
because YOUR fucked up version of democracy equals totalitarianism or communism. You can shove that right up your metrosexual ass.
It's always such fun when trash-mouth PP jumps into the fray. He never actually SAYS anything of import, but as long as he can get a few profane zingers across, he feels he's done his job in helping the cause.
Your foolish attempt to goad me into an argument with you has failed. Now get a life please and stop stalking me.
That argument is not any different than the one used by real rightwingers
Well, I no longer have that right in regards to my health care. In four years I will have to choose a government puppet that promises to pay what the government says it can pay in regards to my health care. I won't be able to choose the plan that is best for me. I will have to take what the government is willing to give me. That is just one freedom that I lost two weeks ago when Obama flashed both his smile and his pen.
I won't be able to choose the most cost effective plan either, because all premiums will be regulated by the government which means Health Insurance companies won't be able to offer me a lower premium than the other guy. Where's my choice?
Immie
That is totally not true. If you want an insurer exclusive of any that participate in the exchange, you can do it. That point was stressed over and over and over again: If you like your own health care provider, you can keep it. The HCR provides for choices that people WHO DO NOT HAVE COVERAGE to pick policies offering lower premiums that they CAN afford.
I am sorry, I do not agree with your interpretation. The fact is that no insurance company that is not a part of the health insurance exchange (aka a governmental puppet) will be allowed to write new policies from 2014 on. Now, if I were to be covered by such a company (which I am sure will not exist on 1/1/2014) that company would have a very limited life. If you can't write new policies, you cannot stay in business. See the beauty of their plan?
Any insurance company that wants to stay in business is mandated (yes mandated just as we have been mandated to buy insurance, insurance companies are mandated) to join in the party of puppets.
So your interpretation that such companies will exist is unfounded.
Immie
Case and statute law does not uphold the conservatives' wishes in this debate. They can say it all they want, but they are wrong. But, if they are right, we will end up with a two-tier option, similar to Australia's health care system.
Actually, case law is much more favorable to the conservative position than liberal. The Interestate Commerce clause does not give the Federal Government power to regulate health care. Nor does any other provision of the Constitution.
I know you want to ignore this, but it's fact nonetheless.
It is just putting into historical perspective the yearning for "the good ole days" when we had so much more freedom.
We have never had as much freedom as we do right now
Try again, dimwit. We had WAY more freedom in the 70s until Carter introduced gas lines to us.
Carter caused an oil embargo? Hmmm, news to me. Here I thought it was because OPEC was pissed off at the US support of Israel (which was hardly something new).
the problem is, people who want to enslave other people are dead serious when they speak this way. rightwinger has proven time and again that he wants to enslave the American citizen.Playing the Race Card is a concession that you don't have a valid point to make.
Just sayin'.
It is just putting into historical perspective the yearning for "the good ole days" when we had so much more freedom.
We have never had as much freedom as we do right now
You cant possibly be serious.
Obama did that? I seem to recall there were 43 other administrations before him, each of which embraced the same concept.
Wrong!!!!!
Not a single one of them embraced mandatory healthcare with fines for non compliance. try again.
I won't "try again" because that's not what you said and that's not what my reply referred to. Pay attention, dummy. Nevermind, I'm always asking the impossible...
What the fuck does this 2nd grader sentence mean?they will be receive medical treatment.
Wrong. The only ones subsidizing freeloaders is the GOVERNMENT. Are you now saying my taxes are going to go down? Guess again!!!!EXCEPT your costs will go down because you won't have to subsidize freeloaders
(AP) The average family with health insurance shells out an extra $1,000 a year in premiums to pay for health care for the uninsured, a new report finds.
And the average individual with private coverage pays an extra $370 a year because of the cost-shifting, which happens when someone without medical insurance gets care at an emergency room or elsewhere and then doesn't pay.
