Should All Wisconsin Taxpayers Be Forced To Pay For Recall Election?

[NYcarbineer]

Walker is responsible for all of the cost because he chose to fight the recall. He could have done the honorable thing and resigned.

Why would he resign for saving the state's fiscal problems? Only in the minds of Marxist losers like yourself are people shunned for acting responsibly.

Wisconsin lost 31,000 jobs in the past year. How did that help?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's still money you fucking OAF. And what of the TIME spent?

Carby?

*Shut Up*

If you were an honest man I'd ask you for an honest answer as to whether or not you complained about the Gray Davis recall in California a few years back.

For that matter, can anyone find me any conservatives who complained about that cost?

This is not about another state, and it is not 10 years ago.

The topic is the cost of recalls, and your post, Elsie, just confirmed that the rightwingers are pure hypocrites on this.

 

[The T]

I'm waiting for someone to explain why the incumbent government should be able to selectively punish those who vote against it. Or petition against it. Or whatever other legitimate political actions against it some of you think are grounds for being targeted by the government.

How far can the government go to crush dissenters and political opponents in your warped opinion?

Nope. NO need to explain a thing to me Greenie.

You may take your leave of me post haste.

I'm asking you to elaborate on what you're arguing for here. Why should the government be able to threaten and punish those who sign a petition against it? Or cast a ballot against it?

It isn't the Government but rather the PEOPLE petitioning against such an exerciese that wastes such time, resources, energy, money save for a few miscreants that didn't like that a sitting Governor DID what he was elected to do.

Sorry Greenie.

You lose.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, the taxpayer should not foot the bill. And in addition they should be reimbursed all the pay the democrats collected when they fled across state lines and didn't do their jobs.

I have considered that maybe the law should allow for civil suits against lawmakers who take their pay and then flee the state in order to avoid doing their jobs. That's fraud, at the very least, in my book. Maybe breach of contract?

 

[paulitician]

This Election will be close. The Unions/Democrats have invested an awful lot of time & money on getting rid of Walker. They'll do anything to win. Al Franken being a U.S. Senator proves that. They're gonna pull out all the rig-job stops on this one. So expect it to be close. Personally, i hope Walker kicks their asses. What they've done to the man is wrong. I'll be rooting for him.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you counting the cost of those primaries that the GOP forced by running fake Democratic candidates? Who gets to pay for that?

Yes, we get it. You're a typical Socialist/Progressive Dem who has no problem with fleecing the Taxpayers. Your position on that is well known.

And you're a garden variety mainstream rightwing Republican who for some reason thinks that posing as a Ron Paul supporter gives you some sort of cachet.

 

[Salt Jones]

We just had the recall issue here in Phoenix. State Senate Prez Russell Pearce, SB1070 author, was recalled. I lived in his district at the time. No one cried about paying for the recall, but even republicans cried when Pearce's cronies in the state house tried to use a little known law to reimburse Pearce the 200k he spent on fighting the recall. The bill wasa shot down and Pearce is stuck with his fees.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's the law, dittoheads, but thanks for the brainwashed Pubspin OUTRAGE.

Just because something is technically legal doesn't make it any less of an outrage when it's shamelessly manipulated. I thought liberals were the kings of frothing anger over "loopholes", but now suddenly, you're all in favor of exploiting them?

 

[NYcarbineer]

This Election will be close. The Unions/Democrats have invested an awful lot of time & money on getting rid of Walker. They'll do anything to win. Al Franken being a U.S. Senator proves that. They're gonna pull out all the rig-job stops on this one. So expect it to be close. Personally, i hope Walker kicks their asses. What they've done to the man is wrong. I'll be rooting for him.

Walker is spending 30 million, Barrett is spending 3.

The beauty of this is that the Dems made the GOP and its supporters flush 30 million bucks down the drain, that they won't be able to use anywhere else,

all for the sake of trying to break even.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nope. NO need to explain a thing to me Greenie.

You may take your leave of me post haste.

I'm asking you to elaborate on what you're arguing for here. Why should the government be able to threaten and punish those who sign a petition against it? Or cast a ballot against it?

It isn't the Government but rather the PEOPLE petitioning against such an exerciese that wastes such time, resources, energy, money save for a few miscreants that didn't like that a sitting Governor DID what he was elected to do.

Sorry Greenie.

You lose.

Unless you think recalls should be unconstitutional, YOU lose.

 

[freedombecki]

Are you counting the cost of those primaries that the GOP forced by running fake Democratic candidates? Who gets to pay for that?

Everybody knows it was Demmies faking being Republicans who did that. Just how naive do you think the members of this board are?

You are one stupid heifer.

Oh, I'm sorry. Am I getting under your nails, Mr. NYcarbineer. Here ya a little orange stick:

Oops, that darn Bing--wrong kind. Enjoy!
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[Cecilie1200]

I think this is a fair & important question. We all know Unions,Democrats, and George Soros are behind the Recall effort against Governor Scott Walker. So should all Wisconsin Taxpayers be forced to fund it?

Yes. The taxpayers don't fund this sort of thing because they, personally and individually, support whichever particular recall election it is. They fund it so that they, all the voters collectively, have the power to bring recall elections if ever and whenever they feel it's necessary. Next time around, it could be the conservatives who want to call one. Paying to extend that ability to everyone protects the ability for everyone.

And isn't funny that the Governor has done what he said he'd do in the original election and save money?

SOME didn't like that idea and instead cost the state even more form a fussfit because they didn't like it?

Hey, I'm not saying callous exploitation of legal loopholes doesn't suck. But you have to be very careful before reacting to it, because you always have to consider what the Democrats are going to do with your "fix" when the situations are reversed.

Guaranteeing and protecting rights for everyone, no matter how stupid or venal you personally consider the use others put them to, is the only sure way to guarantee and protect those same rights for yourself.

And let's be honest: the people of that state wouldn't be having this problem now if they hadn't sat back complacently for so long and allowed the unions to amass so much power and get the idea that they have the right to run the state. Fighting their way back into the driver's seat via elections and recall elections is sort of the price they pay for letting their state get in this position in the first place.

 

[The T]

Everybody knows it was Demmies faking being Republicans who did that. Just how naive do you think the members of this board are?

You are one stupid heifer.

Oh, I'm sorry. Am I getting under your nails, Mr. NYcarbineer. Here ya a little orange stick:

Oops, that darn Bing--wrong kind. Enjoy! ​

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes. The taxpayers don't fund this sort of thing because they, personally and individually, support whichever particular recall election it is. They fund it so that they, all the voters collectively, have the power to bring recall elections if ever and whenever they feel it's necessary. Next time around, it could be the conservatives who want to call one. Paying to extend that ability to everyone protects the ability for everyone.

And isn't funny that the Governor has done what he said he'd do in the original election and save money?

SOME didn't like that idea and instead cost the state even more form a fussfit because they didn't like it?

Don't be surprised if there's a huge Taxpayer backlash against Unions/Democrats after it's all said and done. Wait till they get the tab.

I won't be surprised, nor do I think there shouldn't be a backlash. I just hope they don't end up cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.

 

[paulitician]

This whole thing may backfire bigtime on Unions/Democrats. Fleecing the Taxpayers a bit more with this Recall farce, certainly isn't gonna help their cause. They could be in real trouble in Wisconsin.

 

[The T]

Yes. The taxpayers don't fund this sort of thing because they, personally and individually, support whichever particular recall election it is. They fund it so that they, all the voters collectively, have the power to bring recall elections if ever and whenever they feel it's necessary. Next time around, it could be the conservatives who want to call one. Paying to extend that ability to everyone protects the ability for everyone.

And isn't funny that the Governor has done what he said he'd do in the original election and save money?

SOME didn't like that idea and instead cost the state even more form a fussfit because they didn't like it?

Hey, I'm not saying callous exploitation of legal loopholes doesn't suck. But you have to be very careful before reacting to it, because you always have to consider what the Democrats are going to do with your "fix" when the situations are reversed.

Guaranteeing and protecting rights for everyone, no matter how stupidly or venally you personally consider the use others put them to, is the only sure way to guarantee and protect those same rights for yourself.

And let's be honest: the people of that state wouldn't be having this problem now if they hadn't sat back complacently for so long and allowed the unions to amass so much power and get the idea that they have the right to run the state. Fighting their way back into the driver's seat via elections and recall elections is sort of the price they pay for letting their state get in this position in the first place.

Truth...and now for the rest of the Country? Perhaps Debbie-Wasserkopf Shultz was more correct than she knew and for a different reason?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Fair enough. I admit i'm not quite up to snuff on the Wisconsin State Constitution.

Well, if they're having a recall election, then presumably recall elections are provided for in their state Constitution.

To fine tune our argument a little, Cecille, they're recalling a governor based on THEIR tantrum. He did what he said he was going to do on balancing the budget and paying the state debt down. That's what he ran on.

It isn't right to make hard-working taxpayer's money go to benefit people who already have plenty.

Governor Walker could have taken the easy way out. He could have just canned half the teachers to cut spending. Instead, he only asked them to take the most modest of pay cuts, and nobody lost their job. The union was enraged, and it decided to pillory the governor and make the hugest stink they possibly could at everyone else's peril and payment.

This is a frivolous waste of taxpayer money to benefit 12% of Wisconsin with 88% losing a governor who promised to instill fiscal responsibility back into the works of the Wisconsin government. He's taken measures to do what had to be done.

The Union is cramming it to the ordinary taxpayer, 88% of whom do not have Union guarantees. If everyone had union guarantees, inflation would be pandemic on this globe.

It's important what Americans do and do not do. Whether we like it or not, everybody in the Chinese, European, Australian, African, South American, and North American continents suffers when we do.

We're leaders in this free world. We have a terrific burden, and if we loose our marbles, the world looses more harshly than we, because greedy dictators withhold their wealth completely from village folk who die of starvation when that happens.

I don't like this, Cecille, but that's how it is.

You haven't said a single thing that I didn't already know, or that changes anything I said.

The taxpayers don't pay to support just the uses of legitimate government processes they personally agree with. They pay to guarantee access to the system of government FOR EVERYONE. Sometimes that means you have to suck up people you don't agree with using that system to try to get things you don't like or want. It's the price you pay to assure yourself the right to use the system for things the people YOU don't agree with don't want.

Always, ALWAYS consider that the left feels exactly the same about the right, and that you do NOT want to hand them the ability to block conservatives from accessing the system of government just because they're annoying you now. Never pass a law without contemplating the uses your political opponents will put it to when they get the chance . . . because they WILL get the chance eventually.

 

[freedombecki]

If you were an honest man I'd ask you for an honest answer as to whether or not you complained about the Gray Davis recall in California a few years back.

For that matter, can anyone find me any conservatives who complained about that cost?

This is not about another state, and it is not 10 years ago.

The topic is the cost of recalls, and your post, <inappropriate ad hominem omitted>, just confirmed that the rightwingers are pure hypocrites on this.

The topic is: Should All Wisconsin Taxpayers Be Forced To Pay For Recall Election?

They say taking a speed reading course enhances reading comprehension, sweetie.

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[Cecilie1200]

Well, if they're having a recall election, then presumably recall elections are provided for in their state Constitution.

To fine tune our argument a little, Cecille, they're recalling a governor based on THEIR tantrum. He did what he said he was going to do on balancing the budget and paying the state debt down. That's what he ran on.

It isn't right to make hard-working taxpayer's money go to benefit people who already have plenty.

Governor Walker could have taken the easy way out. He could have just canned half the teachers to cut spending. Instead, he only asked them to take the most modest of pay cuts, and nobody lost their job.

This is a frivolous waste of taxpayer money to benefit 12% of Wisconsin with 88% losing a governor who promised to instill fiscal responsibility back into the works of the Wisconsin government. He's taken measures to do what had to be done.

The Union is cramming it to the ordinary taxpayer, 88% of whom do not have Union guarantees. If everyone had union guarantees, inflation would be pandemic on this globe.

It's important what Americans do and do not do. Whether we like it or not, everybody in the Chinese, European, Australian, African, South American, and North American continents suffers when we do.

We're leaders in this free world. We have a terrific burden, and if we loose our marbles, the world looses more harshly than we, because greedy dictators withhold their wealth completely from village folk who die of starvation when that happens.

I don't like this, Cecille, but that's how it is.

neither do I like it...But the Governor was true to what he was elected to do.

I think he's done a good job and should be kept in office. That being said, I don't think leaders are worth a puddle of warm spit, no matter how good they are, if the people themselves aren't willing to get off their dead, apathetic asses and work with them. And unfortunately, that DOES mean fending off cynical, callous exploitation of the law on occasion.

The price of freedom is that you have to allow EVERYONE to be free, no matter how badly you think they're using that freedom.

 

[The T]

To fine tune our argument a little, Cecille, they're recalling a governor based on THEIR tantrum. He did what he said he was going to do on balancing the budget and paying the state debt down. That's what he ran on.

It isn't right to make hard-working taxpayer's money go to benefit people who already have plenty.

Governor Walker could have taken the easy way out. He could have just canned half the teachers to cut spending. Instead, he only asked them to take the most modest of pay cuts, and nobody lost their job.

This is a frivolous waste of taxpayer money to benefit 12% of Wisconsin with 88% losing a governor who promised to instill fiscal responsibility back into the works of the Wisconsin government. He's taken measures to do what had to be done.

The Union is cramming it to the ordinary taxpayer, 88% of whom do not have Union guarantees. If everyone had union guarantees, inflation would be pandemic on this globe.

It's important what Americans do and do not do. Whether we like it or not, everybody in the Chinese, European, Australian, African, South American, and North American continents suffers when we do.

We're leaders in this free world. We have a terrific burden, and if we loose our marbles, the world looses more harshly than we, because greedy dictators withhold their wealth completely from village folk who die of starvation when that happens.

I don't like this, Cecille, but that's how it is.

neither do I like it...But the Governor was true to what he was elected to do.

I think he's done a good job and should be kept in office. That being said, I don't think leaders are worth a puddle of warm spit, no matter how good they are, if the people themselves aren't willing to get off their dead, apathetic asses and work with them. And unfortunately, that DOES mean fending off cynical, callous exploitation of the law on occasion.

The price of freedom is that you have to allow EVERYONE to be free, no matter how badly you think they're using that freedom.

I agree...and maybe with this? Wisconsin will change it's Constitution at the behest of the people?