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Should all jobs be required to pay at least a living wage?
Assume a living wage for the area, not a national one-size-fits-all standard.
Why or why not?
Define "living wage".
Should all jobs be required to pay at least a living wage?
Assume a living wage for the area, not a national one-size-fits-all standard.
Why or why not?
Define "living wage".
A wage that allows a person to be self-sufficient and have all basic needs met for an extended period of time. For this thread assume:
Transportation
Food
Clothing
Shelter
Healthcare
Without relying on anyone else.
Exactly.....How about paying a dishwasher the same as a line cook?and this living wage thing....
so ....say paper boy or Starbucks barrestia... now gets that huge raise to a living wage... to say... what $20 dollars an hour...
where does that put the people who do more for a living then them.... do they all get a 10-12 dollar an hour raise to compensate for doing MORE for their living then said paperboy and barrestia?
It's friggin ridiculous, and would lead this country straight to economic catastrophe.
all i know is i would be pissed as fucking hell if the dishwasher was makeing as much as i would be making.... for actually doing a skilled job as a line cook.
I also know as a owner i would be compelled to give equivalent raises to make the pay according to skill level....
and then laying off a load of people becasue i could not afford to pay them anymore.
why do these living wage people never think it though.
Should all jobs be required to pay at least a living wage?
Assume a living wage for the area, not a national one-size-fits-all standard.
Why or why not?
Define "living wage".
A wage that allows a person to be self-sufficient and have all basic needs met for an extended period of time. For this thread assume:
Transportation
Food
Clothing
Shelter
Healthcare
Without relying on anyone else.
Most Progressives are for a living wage, the history of the living wage goes back to the eugenics era.
The living or minimum wage was wanted by Progressives to keep the unemployable out of the work force. It was actually driven by their ability to find themselves superior to others.
Of course, having on the market a rather large source of cheap labor depresses wages outside of that group, too – the wages of the white worker who has to compete. And when an employer can substitute a colored worker at a lower wage – and there are, as you pointed out, these hundreds of thousands looking for decent work – it affects the whole wage structure of an area, doesn’t it?
Pure capitalism? With tax breaks to corporations and bailing out banks? Have you been paying attention?
Dear, you have created a strawman! No one used the term "pure capitalism" except you. Sorry
So you agree that pure capitalism is not a good idea?
They don't encourage thinking. All they have is emotion.Exactly.....How about paying a dishwasher the same as a line cook?and this living wage thing....
so ....say paper boy or Starbucks barrestia... now gets that huge raise to a living wage... to say... what $20 dollars an hour...
where does that put the people who do more for a living then them.... do they all get a 10-12 dollar an hour raise to compensate for doing MORE for their living then said paperboy and barrestia?
It's friggin ridiculous, and would lead this country straight to economic catastrophe.
all i know is i would be pissed as fucking hell if the dishwasher was makeing as much as i would be making.... for actually doing a skilled job as a line cook.
I also know as a owner i would be compelled to give equivalent raises to make the pay according to skill level....
and then laying off a load of people becasue i could not afford to pay them anymore.
why do these living wage people never think it though.
Dear, you have created a strawman! No one used the term "pure capitalism" except you. Sorry
So you agree that pure capitalism is not a good idea?
Dunno. We've never tried it.
Living wage.
If you all think earning minimum wage is so great, go ahead and make that personal sacrifice and live within your means, know who else works for basic food and shelter? slaves. go ahead and be a slave if you think its so great. but tell me before you take that pepsi challenge, if everyone is only earning bare sustenance, WHO THE FUCK BUYS ANYTHING? nearly a third of working Americans make 18k or under a year, and you wonder why the economy is down. Good wages are the backbone of a good economy. No matter how low you make wages, not hiring someone is ALWAYS cheaper than paying someone a wage, if the business can do its job with 12 employees, the business owner isnt going to cycle out 6 and use the savings to hire 6 more- he's going to keep that as profits.
Good wages are the backbone of a good economy.
If you all think earning minimum wage is so great, go ahead and make that personal sacrifice and live within your means, know who else works for basic food and shelter? slaves. go ahead and be a slave if you think its so great. but tell me before you take that pepsi challenge, if everyone is only earning bare sustenance, WHO THE FUCK BUYS ANYTHING? nearly a third of working Americans make 18k or under a year, and you wonder why the economy is down. Good wages are the backbone of a good economy. No matter how low you make wages, not hiring someone is ALWAYS cheaper than paying someone a wage, if the business can do its job with 12 employees, the business owner isnt going to cycle out 6 and use the savings to hire 6 more- he's going to keep that as profits.
If you all think earning minimum wage is so great, go ahead and make that personal sacrifice and live within your means, know who else works for basic food and shelter? slaves. go ahead and be a slave if you think its so great. but tell me before you take that pepsi challenge, if everyone is only earning bare sustenance, WHO THE FUCK BUYS ANYTHING? nearly a third of working Americans make 18k or under a year, and you wonder why the economy is down. Good wages are the backbone of a good economy. No matter how low you make wages, not hiring someone is ALWAYS cheaper than paying someone a wage, if the business can do its job with 12 employees, the business owner isnt going to cycle out 6 and use the savings to hire 6 more- he's going to keep that as profits.
Indeed. Capitalism works because it takes human nature into account.So you agree that pure capitalism is not a good idea?
Dunno. We've never tried it.
No one has ever tried pure communism either. But I dont think it's a good idea. I do think pure capitalism would work a hell of a lot better though.
"if EVERYONE is only earning bare sustenance"...?If you all think earning minimum wage is so great, go ahead and make that personal sacrifice and live within your means, know who else works for basic food and shelter? slaves. go ahead and be a slave if you think its so great. but tell me before you take that pepsi challenge, if everyone is only earning bare sustenance, WHO THE FUCK BUYS ANYTHING? nearly a third of working Americans make 18k or under a year, and you wonder why the economy is down. Good wages are the backbone of a good economy. No matter how low you make wages, not hiring someone is ALWAYS cheaper than paying someone a wage, if the business can do its job with 12 employees, the business owner isnt going to cycle out 6 and use the savings to hire 6 more- he's going to keep that as profits.
Define "living wage".
A wage that allows a person to be self-sufficient and have all basic needs met for an extended period of time. For this thread assume:
Transportation
Food
Clothing
Shelter
Healthcare
Without relying on anyone else.
OK, let's go with that:
Food and shelter. Period. Anything else is not a basic 'need'. I mean, why don't you include entertainment, technology (periodically updated to remain current), companionship, travel/vacation?
I propose a more novel concept, one that became outmoded when government got involved, how about you live within your means? If you can't afford to rent (or buy) a McMansion, you rent a modest apartment. If you can't afford a spanky new car, you don't have one, you walk or use public transportation. I you can't afford the latest cell phone or computer, you don't have them. If you can't afford to shop at Old Navy, you go to Salvation Army. No one is entitled to have what someone else has if they have not earned it.