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Police say a motive is unknown. Did you intend on lying? Where you even aware you are lying? Or can you just not help yourself?Another right wing nut hey, what is it white these male white mass shooters??
Whatever the reason you have no credibility but I bet it just feels good when you lash out in anger like that without a clue.
2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?So gun deaths up by around 30% in 5 years ?`<snip/unsnip>Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public UnawareCompared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show
You made the anti gunner mistake of using the Gun Violence Archives....they lie.....
What you need to do is use the FBI homicide data table.......and your brain...
In 2015, President obama and his allies in the black lives matter movement began a systematic attack on the police...this led to the Ferguson Effect, where the police across the country stopped pro-active policing and only responded to 911 emergency calls, and they also stopped clearing street corners of thugs, and making stops, which allowed actual thugs to carry guns without fear of being caught...this led to a 2 year increase in gun murder in democrat party controlled cities.....and now that surge is going back down as Trump has allowed the Federal Government and the police to go after gun criminals on the federal level....
This is how the Gun Violence Archive lied to you....
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
gun murder by year...
2013..... 8,454
2014..... 8,312
2015..... 9,778
2016..... 11,138
2017.... 10,982
And the Ferguson Effect.....
Hard Data, Hollow Protests
The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.
Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.
Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.
Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
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Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!
While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.
Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:
Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?
The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.
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Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?
No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.
Or have I missed something ?
Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
At least you’re consistent at being wrong:We have pissed off people over here in the UK. But because we dont have guns we dont have daily tragedies like this. When will you learn ?
Well we're trying to learn from your mass immigration debacle. But rather than learn from your own debacle, you just project onto us, come onto our forums like US MESSAGE BOARD and chide us for our shortcomings rather look into your own.
I read there's a mass of knife crimes in the UK now. Imagine that.
Gun crime in London, is up 42%, gun crime across England and Wales is up 23%......
Gun crime in the U.S. over the last 25 years as more Americans own and carry guns? Down 75%....gun murder down 49%.
“Supporters insist that allowing people to legally carry concealed handguns reduces crime, but that has not been the result in at least four states that have tried it, including Texas, according to a newly published academic study led by a Texas A&M researcher.”
Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate
2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?So gun deaths up by around 30% in 5 years ?`<snip/unsnip>Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public UnawareCompared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
`
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show
You made the anti gunner mistake of using the Gun Violence Archives....they lie.....
What you need to do is use the FBI homicide data table.......and your brain...
In 2015, President obama and his allies in the black lives matter movement began a systematic attack on the police...this led to the Ferguson Effect, where the police across the country stopped pro-active policing and only responded to 911 emergency calls, and they also stopped clearing street corners of thugs, and making stops, which allowed actual thugs to carry guns without fear of being caught...this led to a 2 year increase in gun murder in democrat party controlled cities.....and now that surge is going back down as Trump has allowed the Federal Government and the police to go after gun criminals on the federal level....
This is how the Gun Violence Archive lied to you....
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
gun murder by year...
2013..... 8,454
2014..... 8,312
2015..... 9,778
2016..... 11,138
2017.... 10,982
And the Ferguson Effect.....
Hard Data, Hollow Protests
The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.
Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.
Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.
Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
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Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!
While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.
Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:
Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?
The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.
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Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?
No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.
Or have I missed something ?
Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
At least you’re consistent at being wrong:We have pissed off people over here in the UK. But because we dont have guns we dont have daily tragedies like this. When will you learn ?
Well we're trying to learn from your mass immigration debacle. But rather than learn from your own debacle, you just project onto us, come onto our forums like US MESSAGE BOARD and chide us for our shortcomings rather look into your own.
I read there's a mass of knife crimes in the UK now. Imagine that.
Gun crime in London, is up 42%, gun crime across England and Wales is up 23%......
Gun crime in the U.S. over the last 25 years as more Americans own and carry guns? Down 75%....gun murder down 49%.
“Supporters insist that allowing people to legally carry concealed handguns reduces crime, but that has not been the result in at least four states that have tried it, including Texas, according to a newly published academic study led by a Texas A&M researcher.”
Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate
The gun violence archive has this year as over 12000 already. Where is the improvement ?2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?So gun deaths up by around 30% in 5 years ?
You made the anti gunner mistake of using the Gun Violence Archives....they lie.....
What you need to do is use the FBI homicide data table.......and your brain...
In 2015, President obama and his allies in the black lives matter movement began a systematic attack on the police...this led to the Ferguson Effect, where the police across the country stopped pro-active policing and only responded to 911 emergency calls, and they also stopped clearing street corners of thugs, and making stops, which allowed actual thugs to carry guns without fear of being caught...this led to a 2 year increase in gun murder in democrat party controlled cities.....and now that surge is going back down as Trump has allowed the Federal Government and the police to go after gun criminals on the federal level....
This is how the Gun Violence Archive lied to you....
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
gun murder by year...
2013..... 8,454
2014..... 8,312
2015..... 9,778
2016..... 11,138
2017.... 10,982
And the Ferguson Effect.....
Hard Data, Hollow Protests
The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.
Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.
Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.
Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
--------
Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!
While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.
Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:
Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?
The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.
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Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?
No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.
Or have I missed something ?
Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
So...Trump was in office one year, obama in for 8, attacking the police all eight years to the point he achieved the Ferguson Effect....which increased gun murder in democrat party controlled cities, and with one year in, Trump begins to turn it around, and you don't see how that works?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616...Ferguson Effect
2016--11,004.....Ferguson Effect
2017--10,982.... Trump turning it around....
The gun violence archive has this year as over 12000 already. Where is the improvement ?2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?So gun deaths up by around 30% in 5 years ?You made the anti gunner mistake of using the Gun Violence Archives....they lie.....
What you need to do is use the FBI homicide data table.......and your brain...
In 2015, President obama and his allies in the black lives matter movement began a systematic attack on the police...this led to the Ferguson Effect, where the police across the country stopped pro-active policing and only responded to 911 emergency calls, and they also stopped clearing street corners of thugs, and making stops, which allowed actual thugs to carry guns without fear of being caught...this led to a 2 year increase in gun murder in democrat party controlled cities.....and now that surge is going back down as Trump has allowed the Federal Government and the police to go after gun criminals on the federal level....
This is how the Gun Violence Archive lied to you....
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
gun murder by year...
2013..... 8,454
2014..... 8,312
2015..... 9,778
2016..... 11,138
2017.... 10,982
And the Ferguson Effect.....
Hard Data, Hollow Protests
The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.
Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.
Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.
Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
--------
Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!
While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.
Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:
Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?
The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.
-----
Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?
No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.
Or have I missed something ?
Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
So...Trump was in office one year, obama in for 8, attacking the police all eight years to the point he achieved the Ferguson Effect....which increased gun murder in democrat party controlled cities, and with one year in, Trump begins to turn it around, and you don't see how that works?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616...Ferguson Effect
2016--11,004.....Ferguson Effect
2017--10,982.... Trump turning it around....
The gun violence archive has this year as over 12000 already. Where is the improvement ?2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?So gun deaths up by around 30% in 5 years ?You made the anti gunner mistake of using the Gun Violence Archives....they lie.....
What you need to do is use the FBI homicide data table.......and your brain...
In 2015, President obama and his allies in the black lives matter movement began a systematic attack on the police...this led to the Ferguson Effect, where the police across the country stopped pro-active policing and only responded to 911 emergency calls, and they also stopped clearing street corners of thugs, and making stops, which allowed actual thugs to carry guns without fear of being caught...this led to a 2 year increase in gun murder in democrat party controlled cities.....and now that surge is going back down as Trump has allowed the Federal Government and the police to go after gun criminals on the federal level....
This is how the Gun Violence Archive lied to you....
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
gun murder by year...
2013..... 8,454
2014..... 8,312
2015..... 9,778
2016..... 11,138
2017.... 10,982
And the Ferguson Effect.....
Hard Data, Hollow Protests
The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.
Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.
Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.
Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.
Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.
--------
Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!
While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.
Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:
Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?
The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.
-----
Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?
No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.
Or have I missed something ?
Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
So...Trump was in office one year, obama in for 8, attacking the police all eight years to the point he achieved the Ferguson Effect....which increased gun murder in democrat party controlled cities, and with one year in, Trump begins to turn it around, and you don't see how that works?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616...Ferguson Effect
2016--11,004.....Ferguson Effect
2017--10,982.... Trump turning it around....
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`"A gunman opened fire inside a yoga studio in Tallahassee, Florida, on Friday, killing two women and wounding five other people before killing himself, authorities said. Tallahassee police identified the shooter as Scott Paul Beierle, 40.
A total of seven victims were taken to a local hospital, police said. Six suffered from gunshot wounds and one had been pistol-whipped. Two of the victims died, while another two are in stable condition. Three have been released from the hospital.
Tallahassee police identified the victims as Maura Binkley, 21, and Nancy Van Vessem, 61. Florida State University's president issued a statement early Saturday saying Binkley was a student and Vessem a faculty member.
Police believe the gunman acted alone, and Police Chief Michael DeLeo said there is no threat to the community. "There is no immediate threat outside what has already occurred this evening," DeLeo said. The motive is still unknown, police said". - Source
The shooter - Scott Beierle: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know -
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Nothing like a multiple deadly murder to bring out the gun ghoul.The gun violence archive has this year as over 12000 already. Where is the improvement ?2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?So gun deaths up by around 30% in 5 years ?
Or have I missed something ?
Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
So...Trump was in office one year, obama in for 8, attacking the police all eight years to the point he achieved the Ferguson Effect....which increased gun murder in democrat party controlled cities, and with one year in, Trump begins to turn it around, and you don't see how that works?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616...Ferguson Effect
2016--11,004.....Ferguson Effect
2017--10,982.... Trump turning it around....
The Gun Violence Archive is a rabid anti gun organization...as you see, I used the FBI homicide data....
---------------------------------------- what ya doing , are you growing up to Reality VOR ?? If the 'yoga' [probably] girls had been armed maybe they coulda defended themselves eh Vor !!Nothing like a multiple deadly murder to bring out the gun ghoul.The gun violence archive has this year as over 12000 already. Where is the improvement ?2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
So...Trump was in office one year, obama in for 8, attacking the police all eight years to the point he achieved the Ferguson Effect....which increased gun murder in democrat party controlled cities, and with one year in, Trump begins to turn it around, and you don't see how that works?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616...Ferguson Effect
2016--11,004.....Ferguson Effect
2017--10,982.... Trump turning it around....
The Gun Violence Archive is a rabid anti gun organization...as you see, I used the FBI homicide data....
As always, the answer is more guns.
GUNS, GUNS, I LOVE GUNS!!!
Nothing like a multiple deadly murder to bring out the gun ghoul.The gun violence archive has this year as over 12000 already. Where is the improvement ?2017 is still about 30% higher than 2013 when Obama was in charge. When will the figures match that level ?Yes....due to the attacks on police...after having gone down up to the year 2015.....but as 2017 shows, with Trump actually supporting the police and using the Federal agencies to put criminals in prison for longer terms, the gun murder rate is going back down again...
democrats cause gun crime to go up, now republicans are sending it lower again....
So...Trump was in office one year, obama in for 8, attacking the police all eight years to the point he achieved the Ferguson Effect....which increased gun murder in democrat party controlled cities, and with one year in, Trump begins to turn it around, and you don't see how that works?
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
The gun murder rate for 2016.....11,138 Previously reported 11,004
For 2017.....with now more than 17.25 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....10,982
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,312
2015--9,616...Ferguson Effect
2016--11,004.....Ferguson Effect
2017--10,982.... Trump turning it around....
The Gun Violence Archive is a rabid anti gun organization...as you see, I used the FBI homicide data....
As always, the answer is more guns.
GUNS, GUNS, I LOVE GUNS!!!
There's nothing to get...you don't know what you are talking about.Beierle is not an Anglo-Saxon surname so you are wrong from the start without even taking upThere is zero evidence the shooter has an Anglo-Saxon surname.What genealogical research have you done to establish the heritage of this shooter?
And why won't you post your research to support your contention? You seem like a bit of a lunatic.
So, every shooter with an Anglo- Saxon surname must not be, over & over again.
Beierle is more of Saxon surname & Bowers more of an Anglo surname.
Together you get Anglo- Saxon Chimp spasms.
an insane obsession with Anglo-Saxons in general.
Again, where is your genealogical research that shows you are remotely correct? This is all lunacy.
What's there to get?
Bowers was an Anglo (English) surname guy & Beierle an Saxon (German) surname guy.
It all points to Anglo-Saxons going NUTS looting & shooting for eons.
Police say the motive is unknown. So what makes him a right wing wacko?Police say a motive is unknown. Did you intend on lying? Where you even aware you are lying? Or can you just not help yourself?Another right wing nut hey, what is it white these male white mass shooters??
Whatever the reason you have no credibility but I bet it just feels good when you lash out in anger like that without a clue.
I didn't lie, he was a right wing nut white mass shooter, but while its true unless he left a note or knew someone there or they read his social posts we shall never know, but we know he was a while male and a Republican.
The far right – most everyone on the right, for that matter – who have an unwarranted fear of change, diversity, and inclusion; who have an unwarranted fear of immigrants; rightists the consequence of their fear and ignorance exhibit nothing but hate, nativism, and bigotry toward immigrants.`So, Beierle is just another angry, white, male, Republican, coward that liked to murder his follow citizens.When Beierle gets to Hell maybe he can bring Ronny RayGun a couple bottled waters, or sumpin'
In normal times, I'd write him off as an insane murderer, regardless of political ideology. But in today's political climate, the far-right's use of violent language and actions has to be considered a factor in regards to pushing some of these marginally stable people, over the edge.
What far right? THe people that don't want to let millions of people waltz across the border willy nilly?
That's not radical. If you think it is, you might be the radical one.
An as already correctly noted: no one advocated for ‘open borders’; indeed, there is no such thing.
The only thing being advocated is that immigration law be followed, and the rulings of the Supreme Court concerning immigration, where immigration law has provisions for refugees seeking asylum, that refugees seeking asylum may enter the country absent prior authorization to pursue their refugee claim, and where those who seek asylum in bad faith are deported once their appeal for asylum is denied.
Immigration law isn’t difficult to understand, it’s been in force for decades – it only became an ‘issue’ when Trump and most on the rights started to use immigration as a political weapon of fear and demagoguery.
Your ‘experience’ is subjective, anecdotal, and wrong.Errr, do we republicans need to start posting each and every time a murderer is a democrat?
This site is going to get pretty boring, real fast. And a lot of work for us republicans.
Based on my experience here Democrats are already on that list which also includes Muslims and illegal aliens. And yes, it has gotten boring.
"Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal and illegal immigrants are underrepresented in the incarcerated population while natives are overrepresented."
Are undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crime?
The far right – most everyone on the right, for that matter – who have an unwarranted fear of change, diversity, and inclusion; who have an unwarranted fear of immigrants; rightists the consequence of their fear and ignorance exhibit nothing but hate, nativism, and bigotry toward immigrants.`So, Beierle is just another angry, white, male, Republican, coward that liked to murder his follow citizens.When Beierle gets to Hell maybe he can bring Ronny RayGun a couple bottled waters, or sumpin'
In normal times, I'd write him off as an insane murderer, regardless of political ideology. But in today's political climate, the far-right's use of violent language and actions has to be considered a factor in regards to pushing some of these marginally stable people, over the edge.
What far right? THe people that don't want to let millions of people waltz across the border willy nilly?
That's not radical. If you think it is, you might be the radical one.
That's quite a bit of unsupported bunk.
Who says the fear of change is unwarranted? Change can be for the worse. You on the Left have never and never do, make the case for this change being for the better, you merely personally attack anyone that dares question it.
An as already correctly noted: no one advocated for ‘open borders’; indeed, there is no such thing.
The only thing being advocated is that immigration law be followed, and the rulings of the Supreme Court concerning immigration, where immigration law has provisions for refugees seeking asylum, that refugees seeking asylum may enter the country absent prior authorization to pursue their refugee claim, and where those who seek asylum in bad faith are deported once their appeal for asylum is denied.
Immigration law isn’t difficult to understand, it’s been in force for decades – it only became an ‘issue’ when Trump and most on the rights started to use immigration as a political weapon of fear and demagoguery.
The way you lefties attack anyone who wants to be serious about enforcing immigration law, says that you are in favor of open borders.
