Serious political questions

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    It appears that those who identify as conservatives are now divided. Some remain as members of the Republican Party, others identify as Libertarians or conservatives and many simply state they are independent.
    As a registered Democrat, moderate on some, liberal on other issues, I understand one party is not the be all end all for most of us. Democrats are used to in-fighting, and the joke that getting Democrats to agree is akin to herding cats is spot on.
    Hence, my questions:
    1) On what do all conservatives agree?
    2) What issues differentiate a Republican from an independent or a Libertarian?
     
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    1) Nothing.
    2) Republicans are either registered members of the Republican Party or vote consistently Republican, more or less.

    There is no lockstep agreement. Instead there is a general sense that government intrudes too much into people's lives and takes too money in taxes. When you get into specific issues agreement tends to deteriorate.
     
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    How kind of you to have cleared that up for the droolers. Very well put. Just imagine if the kool aiders stopped drinking long enough to develop the power of individual, rational thought. Obama would be doomed!
     
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    That pretty much sums up the rather obvious.

    I wonder what is next from the OP.
     
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    Then what does someone have to do to become a "RINO" or a Republican who is not a "real" conservative?
     
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    Excellent response. I am a true conservative and find that when a conservative candidate is not on the ticket, it is best to vote republican....as a republican candidate, more often than not, runs on a platform of less government intrusion into the private sector....you know...sort of how our nation and government was designed.

    But by no means do I agree with every republican candidate on every issue....but rarely, if ever, do I see myself MORE in line with the democratic candidate.

    The same holds true the other way.

    That is why I lauygh when I see people support every move Obama makes...and actually debate why it is no big deal with things like Van Jones and Anita Dunn.

    One must question what is wrong with their thinking when they agree with everything a politician says and does. It is not reality....it is a dream at best.
     
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    Support programs that increase taxes or extend government control over society.
     
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    The basic premise of the republican party is (was) less government intrusion in the public sector.
    For a republican to vote for initiatives that result in otherwise, then that republican is no longer following the basic premise of the party...anbd yes, they are still a republican....but not with the values of a republican...thus a nickname.

    Bush was a true Rino in my eyes. Spector was a rino that really went even further.....t
     
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    I apprciate you serious response Rabbi. Did you mean government control over society, or of the individual?
     
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    Here is one Conservative's answer to part one above:

    1) Conservatives believe that there are moral truths, right and wrong, and that these truths are permanent. The result of infracting these truths will be atrocities and social disaster. Liberals believe in a privatization of morality so complete that no code of conduct is generally accepted, practically to the point of ‘do what you can get away with’. These beliefs are aimed at the gratification of appetites and exhibit anarchistic impulses.

    2) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


    3) Conservatives believe in the principle of variety, while liberal perspectives result in a narrowing uniformity. Conservatives believe in choice of healthcare, education, religion, and various other areas. Under conservative principles, there will be differences in class, material condition and other inequalities. Equality will be of opportunity, not necessarily of result. The only uniformity will be before the law. Society will not be perfect. Consider the results of the rule of ideologues of the last century.

    4) Freedom and property are linked. Private property results in a more stable and productive society. Private property and retaining the fruits of one’s labor has been proven successful from the Puritan’s Bradford, to the Stakhanovite Revolution!

    5) Conservatives believe in voluntary community and charity, based on duties to each other, with the assumption that each person must do whatever he could to avoid requiring assistance, as opposed to involuntary collectivism, as in “let the government do it.. Burke's understanding that the "little platoon" - family, neighborhood, professional organizations etc - is the "first principle" of society has been consistently identified as providing the necessary inspiration for conservativism. And explains why conservatives give more to charity than liberals.

    6) Conservatives view people as both good and bad, and for this reason believe on restraints on power, as in checks and balances, while liberals see power as a force for good, as long as the power is in their hands.

    7) Liberals and Conservatives differ in the way to proceed. For Conservatives, data informs policy. (“More Guns, Less Crime” and“Mass murderers apparently can’t read, since they are constantly shooting up ‘gun-free zones.’”- Coulter) We use Conservative principles to the best of our ability, but when confronting new and original venues, we believe in testing, and analysis of the results of the tests. For liberals, feeling passes for knowing; it is based on emotion often to the exclusion of thinking.

    8) Conservatives view results differently from Liberals. Liberals respond to success and material wealth with envy and hostility, encourage class warfare and an attempt to obviate any chance that it might happen again. The exception is when it is a Liberal with the wealth. Conservatives see success as the validation and culmination of the application of Conservative principles, most prominently Liberty.
     
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