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What does the term separation of church and state actually mean...
What does the Constitution's total exemption of religion from the cognizance of the U. S. Government mean?
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What does the term separation of church and state actually mean...
What does the Constitution's total exemption of religion from the cognizance of the U. S. Government mean?
I thought they were the same thing.What kills me is that the left has much more respect for separation of church and state than it does for the concept of freedom of religion.
I thought it was a figure of speech for separation of religion from civil jurisdiction.Separation of church and state is NOT an admonition that politicians must be agnostic/atheist/non-religious, nor is it a directive meant to eliminate all reference to religion from our politics.
I agree. It means separation of religion from civil jurisdiction.Separation of church and state does NOT mean if one is a moral person, or a religious person, then your politics must not reflect your morality or your religion.
I thought it meant that religion was totally excluded from the cognizance and jurisdiction of civil government.All it means is that the state cannot dictate to us which religion we MUST be.
True.People still get to talk about their religion, they still get to go to church and espouse religious ideals...even if they run for a political office. It is not a violation of "separation of church and state" if they say they are against abortion for religious reasons.
Probably true. However, any form of civil authority over prayer - such as a public school teacher suggesting, recommending or inviting students to pray - is a violation.It is not a violation of "separation of church and state" if they allow prayer in public schools...
The mere hint of civil authority over religion is enough to injure the rights of conscience.It's only a violation of "church and state" separation if they pass laws which punish people for their religious beliefs, period, if those beliefs aren't such that they, by and of themselves, don't trample upon the rights of others.
Which policies do you expect Rev Wright's beliefs have corrupted?
Show us where the Constitution grants the government power over religion?There is no such total exemption.
In fact, the religion portion of the 1st amendment contains two clauses, the free exercise clause and the establishment clause.
What does the Constitution's total exemption of religion from the cognizance of the U. S. Government mean?
no conjecture. one...why do you THINK they endorsed mccain? because they love him? nope... because he gave/promised them something.
two... why else is the man who called the rabid religious right "agents of intolerance" suddenly looking heavenward when he talks longingly about the unborn?
Answer to two... see one.
Sorry, mccain wouldn't get my vote if there was NO ONE running against him.
He has neither given nor promised anything
Show us where the Constitution grants the government power over religion?
There is no exemption, neither in the words or the meaning of the words. There is no separation of Church and State EXCEPT that the Federal Government and now through the 14th amendment the State Governments can NOT create a STATE Church.
You just said the only protection we have is from a national religion. Thus, the Constitution does not protect the right of a religious person to run, be elected and exercise his or her office using religion as their guide.Any religious person is free to run, be elected and exercise his or her office using RELIGION as their guide.
Again, you just said the only protection we have is from a national religion. Therefore, none of that is protected.Any Government Building, such as, for example, the Supreme Court and other buildings are free to display religious symbols as long as the STATE does not endorse a single religion. The idea that one can not pray at a public gathering is ignorant and NOT covered at all by the Constitution.
I said there was no total exemption from the "cognizance" of government, which is the word you used.
James Madison would tell you that you're wrong:
The Constitution guarantees in the Bill of Rights that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
No, he wouldn't. He would tell you that your idea that the government can't be cognizant of religion in any way, shape, or form was ridiculous.
Do you know what the word "cognizance" means, Glimmer?
I believe he or she has no cognizance of cognizance.
It's ambiguous. In other words, it has more than one meaning.Do you know what the word "cognizance" means, Glimmer?
It's ambiguous. In other words, it has more than one meaning.
In the context of Madison's M & R, it means "recognition, or jurisdiction; the assumption of jurisdiction in a legal dispute."