Senator Bernie Sanders is crushing the rest of the pack in campaign donations.

[pknopp]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson and Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

I voted Stein. A far too large of a number never vote. I wish that would change but {shrug}

 

[OldLady]

He's become the grouchy 'get off my lawn' old man.

Hopefully, he can get Trump off our lawn.
I think he's too socialist to win, but goddamned, a lot of people like him.

I liked him in 2016 but I doubt he can win in 2020...

Biden is the safe bet and hopefully he take the Hawaiian Congresswoman as VP...

He's too old Bruce.

 

[HappyJoy]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

 

[OldLady]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson or Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

 

[the other mike]

He's become the grouchy 'get off my lawn' old man.

Hopefully, he can get Trump off our lawn.
I think he's too socialist to win, but goddamned, a lot of people like him.

I liked him in 2016 but I doubt he can win in 2020...

Biden is the safe bet and hopefully he take the Hawaiian Congresswoman as VP...

He's too old Bruce.

77 was too old for Reagan but not these guys.

 

[pknopp]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

The issue with the Super Delegates.......... Potential Candidates were told long before the campaigns really started to not bother as Hillary already had a large number of Super Delegates locked up. The idea that they had already crowned Hillary the winner, pissed a lot of people off and it kept many from jumping in.

The DNC welcomed Sanders because they were trying to use him. They wanted to argue, "Hillary understands now, Bernie has got her to understand the arguments of the left".

A very large number of people said "screw that" and it backfired.

 

[the other mike]

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

All the smart people moved to Canada and New Zealand in 2016.

 

[HappyJoy]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

The issue with the Super Delegates..........Candidates were told long before the campaigns really started to not bother as Hillary already had a large number of Super Delegates locked up. The idea that they had already crowned Hillary the winner, pissed a lot of people off and it kept many from jumping in.

The DNC welcomed Sanders because they were trying to use him. They wanted to argue, "Hillary understands now, Bernie has got her to understand the arguments of the left".

A very large number of people said "screw that" and it backfired.

I'm not saying the DNC are a bunch of angels, I'm saying Sanders was hypocritical.

 

[HappyJoy]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson or Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

I'm not sure I'd want Jill Stein or that other guy as president either. Clinton was the best choice out of the four.

 

[pknopp]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

The issue with the Super Delegates..........Candidates were told long before the campaigns really started to not bother as Hillary already had a large number of Super Delegates locked up. The idea that they had already crowned Hillary the winner, pissed a lot of people off and it kept many from jumping in.

The DNC welcomed Sanders because they were trying to use him. They wanted to argue, "Hillary understands now, Bernie has got her to understand the arguments of the left".

A very large number of people said "screw that" and it backfired.

I'm not saying the DNC are a bunch of angels, I'm saying Sanders was hypocritical.

You can argue that but that is what losing candidates do. He is certainly less of one than Warren. Bush lost to Reagan even though he called his programs Voodoo Economics but still became his running mate.

 

[pknopp]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson or Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

I'm not sure I'd want Jill Stein or that other guy as president either. Clinton was the best choice out of the four.

Jill stood up for the people of Standing Rock. Hillary condemned them.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

We know that Bernie would rather have Hillary in office than Trump. I think it was genuine. He actually strikes me as one of the most genuine candidates, but that's just my opinion.

The two issues I have with him are his age and I'm afraid that his policies may be too far left and scare independents away.

 

[HappyJoy]

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

The issue with the Super Delegates..........Candidates were told long before the campaigns really started to not bother as Hillary already had a large number of Super Delegates locked up. The idea that they had already crowned Hillary the winner, pissed a lot of people off and it kept many from jumping in.

The DNC welcomed Sanders because they were trying to use him. They wanted to argue, "Hillary understands now, Bernie has got her to understand the arguments of the left".

A very large number of people said "screw that" and it backfired.

I'm not saying the DNC are a bunch of angels, I'm saying Sanders was hypocritical.

You can argue that but that is what losing candidates do. He is certainly less of one than Warren. Bush lost to Reagan even though he called his programs Voodoo Economics but still became his running mate.

I'm not so sure comparing Sanders to Bush I is doing him any favors.

 

[the other mike]

I'm not saying the DNC are a bunch of angels, I'm saying Sanders was hypocritical.

The most popular thing he could have done would have been to run as an Independent - which he would have won imo-- In a 5-way race between Sanders, Trump, Clinton, Stein and Johnson, I believe the %'s would have been Bernie 40% ,Trump 25%, Hillary 25% , Johnson 5% and Stein 5%.

Only without the electoral college.

 

[OldLady]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson or Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

I'm not sure I'd want Jill Stein or that other guy as president either. Clinton was the best choice out of the four.

Poor "What's Aleppo?" Johnson. I tried to figure out what the Libertarian party was all about, but they're so against dictating someone's else's opinion that they haven't got a platform. They sound like right wing anarchists, to me. Pretty close anyway.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I'm not saying the DNC are a bunch of angels, I'm saying Sanders was hypocritical.

The most popular thing he could have done would have been to run as an Independent - which he would have won imo-- In a 5-way race between Sanders, Trump, Clinton, Stein and Johnson, I believe the %'s would have been Bernie 40% ,Trump 25%, Hillary 25% , Johnson 5% and Stein 5%.

Only without the electoral college.

Not a chance. It just would have divided the Democrat vote. Trump would win by a mile.

 

[Lewdog]

Bernie Sanders Dominates as Analyses of Fundraising Data Show Vermont Senator With Widespread Support Across Nation

Individual donors to Democratic candidates for the party's 2020 presidential nomination overwhelmingly gave to Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to analyses released Friday.

The New York Times, in a map produced by the paper's reporters, found that Sanders, an Independent from Vermont, dominates most of the country as the primary or secondary recipient of nearly all donations from Americans in all states—though his support is strongest in New England, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, the eastern Great Plains, and the West.

Bernie Sanders Dominates as Analyses of Fundraising Data Show Vermont Senator With Widespread Support Across Nation

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?
https://www.facebook.com/BernieTulsi2020/

Nope. Gabbard will never really have a shot at winning or being on a winning ticket, as she and her family are against gay marriage.

No she isn't. If you have a valid position you do not have to lie about it.

Supposedly she abandoned it while serving in the military, but when it comes to politics... once people knew you had a stance on a subject they will not think you suddenly changed your mind.

"For years, Mike Gabbard was staunchly against gay marriage, seeking to prevent what he called the “radical homosexual agenda” from succeeding. In fact, The New Yorker noted that in 1999, when a character on Dawson’s Creek came out as gay, he flew to North Carolina where the show was filmed to protest. A year earlier, in 1998, Mike successfully sought an amendment to Hawaii’s Constitution, allowing the legislature to ban same-sex marriage.

For a time, Tulsi supported her dad’s beliefs, including objecting to the idea of students’ being taught in schools that homosexuality was “natural.” But she later said that after serving in the military, many of her beliefs changed. She told The New Yorker, “Experiencing as a woman, firsthand, the impacts of countries that are acting as moral arbiters for their people—it really caused me to rethink the positions I held.”"

Tulsi Gabbard’s Father, Mother & Family: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com

 

[OldLady]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson or Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

I'm not sure I'd want Jill Stein or that other guy as president either. Clinton was the best choice out of the four.

Well, I had no choice but to vote for her, but I despise Hillary Clinton. It took someone like Trump to force me to give her my vote.

 

[HappyJoy]

Bernie and Tulsi 2020 ?

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

Then the people in your office are idiots. He only campaigned for her after he was eliminated.

I think it was half-hearted at best, he kind of had to if he was ever going to run again.

I really only have one problem with Sanders (actually two, his age) is that he kept claiming Clinton was only winning because of super delegates but then after it was obvious Sanders wasn't going to win whether Clinton had the super delegates locked up or not Sanders tried to convince them to vote for him. Rather hypocritical.

With that said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. Last thing we need right now are party or ideological purists, Trump needs to go.

We know that Bernie would rather have Hillary in office than Trump. I think it was genuine. He actually strikes me as one of the most genuine candidates, but that's just my opinion.

The two issues I have with him are his age and I'm afraid that his policies may be too far left and scare independents away.

Would he? I guess, though I'm not so sure he was thrilled with 8 years of Clinton.

I generally consider him to be genuine, just not perfect and unfortunately people are holding out for perfection and when they don't get it Trump becomes president.

I voted for Clinton in the primary because I too thought Sanders was too far left, not so sure of that anymore. I have no idea how to judge 2020 at this moment. Are the Democrats going too far left for moderates? Are there really that many moderates left that it matters and maybe pulling a progressive base together will get you more votes? I have no idea.

 

[pknopp]

Don't be so sure about that. We talk politics at my office and some of the Democrats hate Bernie with a passion. They say he was a sore loser four years ago and they will never support him.

There are Democrats still mad that the DNC cheating still did not get Hillary over the hump.

Here is the issue. They will vote Sanders if he wins, just the same as they voted Obama when he beat her.

Democrats vote Democrats. Those who vote ideas are the ones that will bail.

11% of Americans voted for Johnson or Stein and over 40% didn't even vote in 2016.

Can you really blame them? My dream in 2016 was that there would be a nationwide refusal to vote at all, because our choices BLEW. Really blew. Boy, would that be something, if the Democrats and Republicans threw a party and no one came?

I'm not sure I'd want Jill Stein or that other guy as president either. Clinton was the best choice out of the four.

Poor "What's Aleppo?" Johnson. I tried to figure out what the Libertarian party was all about, but they're so against dictating someone's else's opinion that they haven't got a platform. They sound like right wing anarchists, to me. Pretty close anyway.

Sadly this is close enough to being true that it works. I met Johnson but in the end while I did vote (L) for governor I couldn't vote for Johnson.