Sen. Tom Harkin Visits Cuba, Is Pretty Impressed With Its Public Health System

[Quantum Windbag]

So visiting a communist country makes someone communist?

No, but spouting the Communist Party line tends to add evidence to support the charge. Did you even consider the possibility that Cuba was lying about how great their system is after decades of an embargo that everyone with an IQ above 0 degrees Kelvin knows ends up hurting poor people a lot more than it does those in power?

To call someone a communist for not absolutely shitting on everything they see in a communist country is stupid, By your standard Nixon was a communist after he came back from China.

I didn't call anyone a communist, did I?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building killing Americans. That must mean all conservatives want to bomb federal buildings and kill Americans. Right?

No, but I would argue that anyone who insists that he had a right to do so because the feds killed everyone at Waco should be watched very closely.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So a Senator visits a communist country, sees only what they let him see, speaks to those he is allowed to speak to. So what do you think he is going to see and hear?

And the liberals buy it, hook, line and sinker.

It is funny because there was a similar dog and pony show where Republican Congressmen visited a factory to check up on working conditions and gave it their stamp of approval only to later find out that they were in violation of all sorts of American laws.

But that didn't happen here.

Right?

 

[Contumacious]

Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building killing Americans. That must mean all conservatives want to bomb federal buildings and kill Americans. Right?

No, but I would argue that anyone who insists that he had a right to do so because the feds killed everyone at Waco should be watched very closely.

Could Timothy McVeigh or the surviving Davidians sue Slick Willy or Janet Reno?!?!?

In Chambers v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, 207 U.S. 142, 28 S. Ct. 34, 52 L. Ed. 143 (1907), the Supreme Court characterized this right of access in the following terms:

The right to sue and defend in the courts is the alternative of force. In an organized society it is the right conservative of all other rights, and lies at the foundation of orderly government. It is one of the highest and most essential privileges of citizenship, and must be allowed by each state to the citizens of all other states to the precise extent that it is allowed to its own citizens. Equality of treatment in this respect is not left to depend upon comity between the states, but is granted and protected by the Federal Constitution."


But guess what , SCOTUS ruled back in the mid 1960's that it was adopting the nazistic rule that federal bureucrats are immune from lawsuit.

So, tell me again, who should be watched closely?!?!!?!

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[Rozman]

Hey Sean Penn loved the Cuban Health Care system.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building killing Americans. That must mean all conservatives want to bomb federal buildings and kill Americans. Right?

No, but I would argue that anyone who insists that he had a right to do so because the feds killed everyone at Waco should be watched very closely.

Could Timothy McVeigh or the surviving Davidians sue Slick Willy or Janet Reno?!?!?

In Chambers v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, 207 U.S. 142, 28 S. Ct. 34, 52 L. Ed. 143 (1907), the Supreme Court characterized this right of access in the following terms:

The right to sue and defend in the courts is the alternative of force. In an organized society it is the right conservative of all other rights, and lies at the foundation of orderly government. It is one of the highest and most essential privileges of citizenship, and must be allowed by each state to the citizens of all other states to the precise extent that it is allowed to its own citizens. Equality of treatment in this respect is not left to depend upon comity between the states, but is granted and protected by the Federal Constitution."


But guess what , SCOTUS ruled back in the mid 1960's that it was adopting the nazistic rule that federal bureucrats are immune from lawsuit.

So, tell me again, who should be watched closely?!?!!?!

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Not the same thing.

The government was wrong, that does not make McVeigh right.

 

[Contumacious]

No, but I would argue that anyone who insists that he had a right to do so because the feds killed everyone at Waco should be watched very closely.

Could Timothy McVeigh or the surviving Davidians sue Slick Willy or Janet Reno?!?!?

In Chambers v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, 207 U.S. 142, 28 S. Ct. 34, 52 L. Ed. 143 (1907), the Supreme Court characterized this right of access in the following terms:

The right to sue and defend in the courts is the alternative of force. In an organized society it is the right conservative of all other rights, and lies at the foundation of orderly government. It is one of the highest and most essential privileges of citizenship, and must be allowed by each state to the citizens of all other states to the precise extent that it is allowed to its own citizens. Equality of treatment in this respect is not left to depend upon comity between the states, but is granted and protected by the Federal Constitution."


But guess what , SCOTUS ruled back in the mid 1960's that it was adopting the nazistic rule that federal bureucrats are immune from lawsuit.

So, tell me again, who should be watched closely?!?!!?!

.

Not the same thing.

The government was wrong, that does not make McVeigh right.

Has the government admitted that it was wrong?

Has the government stopped abusing Americans?

.

 

[tinydancer]

Great website that shows the truth about Cuban hospitals for Cubans; not what foreign visitors are shown. I think every conservative should forward these pictures from this website to Senator Tom Harkin's office.

THIS IS THE FAMOUS 'GREAT AND FREE HEALTHCARE' THAT REGULAR CUBANS RECEIVE

One of the greatest fallacies about the so called 'Cuban Revolution' has to do with healthcare.

Foreigners who visit Cuba, are fed the official line from Castro's propaganda machine: "All Cubans are now able to receive excellent healthcare, which is also free." But the truth is very different. Castro has built excellent health facilities for the use of foreigners, who pay with hard currency for those services.

Argentinean soccer star Maradona, for example, has traveled several times to Cuba to receive treatment to combat his drug addiction. But Cubans are not even allowed to visit those facilities. Cubans who require medical attention must go to other hospitals, that lack the most minimum requirements needed to take care of their patients.

In addition, most of these facilities are filthy and patients have to bring their own towels, bed sheets, pillows, or they would have to lay down on dirty bare mattresses stained with blood and other body fluids.

Hospital Clínico Quirúrgico

The X-Ray Room

A ripped mattress; ancient equipment (probably pre-Castro era) and the ceiling caving in

[The Operating Room]

The Operating Room

The door to the Operating Room has a padlock, indicating that it hasn't been used for a while

Here's the story behind the pictures. Many more at link.

therealcuba.com Exclusive: New photos of Havana's Hospital Clínico Quirúrgico de 26

Oct. 2 - These photos were taken in May of 2011 by Julio Muñoz, a Cuban-American who left Cuba 19 years ago and went back this year to visit his family in the island.

During his stay in Havana, he had to take his aunt to the Emergency Room at Hospital Clínico Quirúrico to receive medical care in one of her fingers.

While there, Muñoz took these pictures of the deplorable conditions at the hospital, very different from the hospital portrayed by the liar Michael Moore in his documentary 'Sicko.'

These are the hospitals where Cubans have to go because they do not have the hard currency to pay the Castro brothers, like their foreign patients can do.

Next time some ignorant fool mentions the "excellent and free healthcare" that Cubans receive, show them these pictures.

 

[Bombur]

I already posted some that you will ignore because you already have all the answers you need.

There is something ironic about someone claiming the situation is not as good as it can be because people have turned to making a profit and a market approach to healthcare as opposed to just giving it away.

It makes sense though. In order for them to be getting the results they are they would have to invest into healthcare technology. They could never afford that investment unless they were able to make some money off of that investment. Something they couldn't do selling to only their poor people.

There is something pathetic about you.

I see it now, it is actually your brain. You don't use it, so it smells like shit.

I am sorry. I was just surprised to see you complaining about people selling health care for profit. It is always weird when communists try and turn a profit.

 

[Theowl32]

Great website that shows the truth about Cuban hospitals for Cubans; not what foreign visitors are shown. I think every conservative should forward these pictures from this website to Senator Tom Harkin's office.

THIS IS THE FAMOUS 'GREAT AND FREE HEALTHCARE' THAT REGULAR CUBANS RECEIVE

One of the greatest fallacies about the so called 'Cuban Revolution' has to do with healthcare.

Foreigners who visit Cuba, are fed the official line from Castro's propaganda machine: "All Cubans are now able to receive excellent healthcare, which is also free." But the truth is very different. Castro has built excellent health facilities for the use of foreigners, who pay with hard currency for those services.

Argentinean soccer star Maradona, for example, has traveled several times to Cuba to receive treatment to combat his drug addiction. But Cubans are not even allowed to visit those facilities. Cubans who require medical attention must go to other hospitals, that lack the most minimum requirements needed to take care of their patients.

In addition, most of these facilities are filthy and patients have to bring their own towels, bed sheets, pillows, or they would have to lay down on dirty bare mattresses stained with blood and other body fluids.

Hospital Clínico Quirúrgico

The X-Ray Room

A ripped mattress; ancient equipment (probably pre-Castro era) and the ceiling caving in

[The Operating Room]

The Operating Room

The door to the Operating Room has a padlock, indicating that it hasn't been used for a while

Here's the story behind the pictures. Many more at link.

therealcuba.com Exclusive: New photos of Havana's Hospital Clínico Quirúrgico de 26

Oct. 2 - These photos were taken in May of 2011 by Julio Muñoz, a Cuban-American who left Cuba 19 years ago and went back this year to visit his family in the island.

During his stay in Havana, he had to take his aunt to the Emergency Room at Hospital Clínico Quirúrico to receive medical care in one of her fingers.

While there, Muñoz took these pictures of the deplorable conditions at the hospital, very different from the hospital portrayed by the liar Michael Moore in his documentary 'Sicko.'

These are the hospitals where Cubans have to go because they do not have the hard currency to pay the Castro brothers, like their foreign patients can do.

Next time some ignorant fool mentions the "excellent and free healthcare" that Cubans receive, show them these pictures.

 

[depotoo]

Sen. Tom Harkin Visits Cuba, Is Pretty Impressed With Its Public Health System - NationalJournal.com

It makes sense that as chair of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, Tom Harkin would want to check out how other countries are doing when it comes to public health. So he spent last week in Cuba, where he saw all sorts of things that made quite the impression on him.

Cuba is a "poor country, but they have a lower child mortality rate than ours," the Iowa Democrat said to reporters Wednesday. "Their life expectancy is now greater than ours. It's interesting—their public health system is quite remarkable."

Harkin, who made a 186-mile trek over the course of three days, also cited low infection rates in Cuban hospitals and the country's success in reducing smoking among citizens through public health campaigns.

Harkin has been to Cuba before. In 2003, he visited and called on Cuba to release 75 dissidents there. Indeed, other congressional lawmakers have traveled to the Caribbean island, which hasn't had diplomatic relations with the U.S. since 1959. The most recent high-profile visit came in 2009 when members of the Congressional Black Caucus went to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro.

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Why do liberals deny they are communists?

Products - Data Briefs - Number 23 - November 2009
regarding infant mortality it is probqbly figured different than in the US.
The link here doesn't mention how Cuba figures theirs butshows how other countries show better but really areh't.

 

[eagle7_31]

Sen. Tom Harkin Visits Cuba, Is Pretty Impressed With Its Public Health System - NationalJournal.com

It makes sense that as chair of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, Tom Harkin would want to check out how other countries are doing when it comes to public health. So he spent last week in Cuba, where he saw all sorts of things that made quite the impression on him.

Cuba is a "poor country, but they have a lower child mortality rate than ours," the Iowa Democrat said to reporters Wednesday. "Their life expectancy is now greater than ours. It's interesting—their public health system is quite remarkable."

Harkin, who made a 186-mile trek over the course of three days, also cited low infection rates in Cuban hospitals and the country's success in reducing smoking among citizens through public health campaigns.

Harkin has been to Cuba before. In 2003, he visited and called on Cuba to release 75 dissidents there. Indeed, other congressional lawmakers have traveled to the Caribbean island, which hasn't had diplomatic relations with the U.S. since 1959. The most recent high-profile visit came in 2009 when members of the Congressional Black Caucus went to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro.

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Why do liberals deny they are communists?

If they like Cuba so much, let them move there.

 

[Clementine]

Sen. Tom Harkin Visits Cuba, Is Pretty Impressed With Its Public Health System - NationalJournal.com

It makes sense that as chair of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, Tom Harkin would want to check out how other countries are doing when it comes to public health. So he spent last week in Cuba, where he saw all sorts of things that made quite the impression on him.

Cuba is a "poor country, but they have a lower child mortality rate than ours," the Iowa Democrat said to reporters Wednesday. "Their life expectancy is now greater than ours. It's interesting—their public health system is quite remarkable."

Harkin, who made a 186-mile trek over the course of three days, also cited low infection rates in Cuban hospitals and the country's success in reducing smoking among citizens through public health campaigns.

Harkin has been to Cuba before. In 2003, he visited and called on Cuba to release 75 dissidents there. Indeed, other congressional lawmakers have traveled to the Caribbean island, which hasn't had diplomatic relations with the U.S. since 1959. The most recent high-profile visit came in 2009 when members of the Congressional Black Caucus went to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro.

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Why do liberals deny they are communists?

Harkin was impressed with the health system designed specially for communist party apparatchiks? Too bad he didn't see the real Cuban health system:

Someone was probably executed for taking those pics. They clearly didn't get a stamp of approval from the propaganda machine.

Harkin should know better. When a fucking commie bastard gives you a tour of anything in their country, it's a carefully staged display. They control all info and will make sure no media sees anything that would make them look bad.

The people there live in squalor and just because health care is free doesn't mean it's good. I don't doubt that the wealthy leaders get the best of everything and I am sure that is what Harkin was shown.

Anyone who believes anything a commie dictator says is just too stupid to debate.

 

[depotoo]

Sen. Tom Harkin Visits Cuba, Is Pretty Impressed With Its Public Health System - NationalJournal.com

It makes sense that as chair of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, Tom Harkin would want to check out how other countries are doing when it comes to public health. So he spent last week in Cuba, where he saw all sorts of things that made quite the impression on him.

Cuba is a "poor country, but they have a lower child mortality rate than ours," the Iowa Democrat said to reporters Wednesday. "Their life expectancy is now greater than ours. It's interesting—their public health system is quite remarkable."

Harkin, who made a 186-mile trek over the course of three days, also cited low infection rates in Cuban hospitals and the country's success in reducing smoking among citizens through public health campaigns.

Harkin has been to Cuba before. In 2003, he visited and called on Cuba to release 75 dissidents there. Indeed, other congressional lawmakers have traveled to the Caribbean island, which hasn't had diplomatic relations with the U.S. since 1959. The most recent high-profile visit came in 2009 when members of the Congressional Black Caucus went to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro.

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Why do liberals deny they are communists?

Harkin was impressed with the health system designed specially for communist party apparatchiks? Too bad he didn't see the real Cuban health system:

Someone was probably executed for taking those pics. They clearly didn't get a stamp of approval from the propaganda machine.

Harkin should know better. When a fucking commie bastard gives you a tour of anything in their country, it's a carefully staged display. They control all info and will make sure no media sees anything that would make them look bad.

The people there live in squalor and just because health care is free doesn't mean it's good. I don't doubt that the wealthy leaders get the best of everything and I am sure that is what Harkin was shown.

Anyone who believes anything a commie dictator says is just too stupid to debate.

It's scary when either our own reps fall for the propaganda or eitther do know it is and for whatever reason choose to repeat it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Sen. Tom Harkin Visits Cuba, Is Pretty Impressed With Its Public Health System - NationalJournal.com

It makes sense that as chair of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, Tom Harkin would want to check out how other countries are doing when it comes to public health. So he spent last week in Cuba, where he saw all sorts of things that made quite the impression on him.

Cuba is a "poor country, but they have a lower child mortality rate than ours," the Iowa Democrat said to reporters Wednesday. "Their life expectancy is now greater than ours. It's interesting—their public health system is quite remarkable."

Harkin, who made a 186-mile trek over the course of three days, also cited low infection rates in Cuban hospitals and the country's success in reducing smoking among citizens through public health campaigns.

Harkin has been to Cuba before. In 2003, he visited and called on Cuba to release 75 dissidents there. Indeed, other congressional lawmakers have traveled to the Caribbean island, which hasn't had diplomatic relations with the U.S. since 1959. The most recent high-profile visit came in 2009 when members of the Congressional Black Caucus went to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro.

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Why do liberals deny they are communists?

Harkin was impressed with the health system designed specially for communist party apparatchiks? Too bad he didn't see the real Cuban health system:

Yeah, you probably got that from some right wing website, therefore those things are not true, and probably never happened.

Michael Moore, after all, made a movie, and these images were not a part of that movie. Therefore, those must be horrible lies.

Pictures don't lie.

 

[Theowl32]

You have to wonder, why our democrat senator would praise the Cuban medical system, when they are privy to this information.

Take some educated guesses as to why that is.

You really want to me show the vast evidence that King Obama has been educated, heavily influenced, and is indeed a dedicated socialist. I am being polite about it, cause it is more communism than socialism.

It is too bad that the main stream media, who has been brainwashed in this ideology protects him. They do not report the truth. They slant things to fir their agenda.

It has been a subtle CHANGE, and now they are LEANING FORWARD with their plan. The president is being a lot less aloof about it and a lot more arrogant. The utter shit he has gotten away with has led him to believe he can be more overt with his intentions.

They hate America, and they hate everything it has stood for. They hate capitalism, and they know the destruction of the middle class is the key to socialism taking the true grip on the liberty of the people.

The pathetic know it alls on the left have no clue and ignore all of the facts presented. They discredit all of the things presented to show the clear evidence. They simply ignore Obama's KNOWN history. It is more than clear what his intentions were, what they are and what they always will be.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Could Timothy McVeigh or the surviving Davidians sue Slick Willy or Janet Reno?!?!?

In Chambers v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, 207 U.S. 142, 28 S. Ct. 34, 52 L. Ed. 143 (1907), the Supreme Court characterized this right of access in the following terms:

The right to sue and defend in the courts is the alternative of force. In an organized society it is the right conservative of all other rights, and lies at the foundation of orderly government. It is one of the highest and most essential privileges of citizenship, and must be allowed by each state to the citizens of all other states to the precise extent that it is allowed to its own citizens. Equality of treatment in this respect is not left to depend upon comity between the states, but is granted and protected by the Federal Constitution."


But guess what , SCOTUS ruled back in the mid 1960's that it was adopting the nazistic rule that federal bureucrats are immune from lawsuit.

So, tell me again, who should be watched closely?!?!!?!

.

Not the same thing.

The government was wrong, that does not make McVeigh right.

Has the government admitted that it was wrong?

Has the government stopped abusing Americans?

.

That still does not make McVeigh right.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There is something ironic about someone claiming the situation is not as good as it can be because people have turned to making a profit and a market approach to healthcare as opposed to just giving it away.

It makes sense though. In order for them to be getting the results they are they would have to invest into healthcare technology. They could never afford that investment unless they were able to make some money off of that investment. Something they couldn't do selling to only their poor people.

There is something pathetic about you.

I see it now, it is actually your brain. You don't use it, so it smells like shit.

I am sorry. I was just surprised to see you complaining about people selling health care for profit. It is always weird when communists try and turn a profit.

Did you confuse me with that guy in the mirror?

 

[blackhawk]

I doubt he would go there for treatment though.

 

[depotoo]

So a Senator visits a communist country, sees only what they let him see, speaks to those he is allowed to speak to. So what do you think he is going to see and hear?

And the liberals buy it, hook, line and sinker.

Worse is an elected rep does or has ulterior motives saying he does. Just his checking the unicef site alone would have shown him they don't count infant mortality the same as the US.