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btw, Neopolitino's comment was about what happened after the mistake of allowing this fuckhead aboard...IMO she was praising the passengers and flight attendants.
But of course you all are free to spin it as you will.
So? Amsterdamn issues travel VISA's to the USA? Who the fuck knew?I'm sure you have a point but what is it
The only place you can get a visa to enter the United States is at an American Embassy. Some Embassies are more lenient than others in their interview process and background investigations. Why this happens I have no idea but I will say this. When they look at your application and they see that you've had visas to the States before and are sons or daughters of rich people they tend to gloss over other checks that may or may not catch a terror suspect.
This is true. And all the security people use their own judgment...good or bad. For instance yesterday my daughter and husband were made to empty their carryons completely and the airline people went through everything down to their wallets and my son and I were waived through without a second look. Of course if we had bombs in our underwear the extensive carryon search wouldn't have found them.
The only place you can get a visa to enter the United States is at an American Embassy. Some Embassies are more lenient than others in their interview process and background investigations. Why this happens I have no idea but I will say this. When they look at your application and they see that you've had visas to the States before and are sons or daughters of rich people they tend to gloss over other checks that may or may not catch a terror suspect.
I guess the problem is this: how much money do we spend on searches and how invasive do we get?
The only place you can get a visa to enter the United States is at an American Embassy. Some Embassies are more lenient than others in their interview process and background investigations. Why this happens I have no idea but I will say this. When they look at your application and they see that you've had visas to the States before and are sons or daughters of rich people they tend to gloss over other checks that may or may not catch a terror suspect.
Embassies are run by high moneyed political contributers appointed by the winning party.
My son and I were both "patted down" this morning at Philly. No big deal but it still irks me that middle aged women and children with blue eyes and freckles are "profiled".
TSA doesn't screen passengers as they board in foreign countries...the security systems of the foreign countries do. And yes, the technology is available but it is up to the countries in question to purchase the equipment.This is true. And all the security people use their own judgment...good or bad. For instance yesterday my daughter and husband were made to empty their carryons completely and the airline people went through everything down to their wallets and my son and I were waived through without a second look. Of course if we had bombs in our underwear the extensive carryon search wouldn't have found them.The only place you can get a visa to enter the United States is at an American Embassy. Some Embassies are more lenient than others in their interview process and background investigations. Why this happens I have no idea but I will say this. When they look at your application and they see that you've had visas to the States before and are sons or daughters of rich people they tend to gloss over other checks that may or may not catch a terror suspect.
I guess the problem is this: how much money do we spend on searches and how invasive do we get?
Ravi there is technology available that would allow searches of people without even touching them. Some groups think this is an invasion of privacy and are concerned about what security officials might see under clothes worn by passengers...i.e. men who wear women's clothes, woman who wear mens clothes, transgendered individuals etc. etc. Now what we are forgetting here is that flying is a priviledge...not a right. If airports chose to screen passengers in such a way as it's viewed by some as an invasion of privacy that person has the right to take the bus....otherwise if they wish to fly they must comply with the rules. I have about a million frequent flier miles and have lost gel mouse pads, untold amounts of toothpaste, L'Occitane stuff, been patted down and had my balls grabbed, ass cheeks felt up and my gel insoles taken....was I upset? Yes. I even have a TWIC card and that didn't help. It's the price we pay for security. What we should be asking is...why did this guy get high grade military explosives on an airplane when airports are supposed to screen for nitrate based explosives? How did this happen on a flight bound for the US and therefore subject to U.S. TSA screening procedures?
I bet heads roll over this in Amsterdam and possibly the U.S. as well
TSA doesn't screen passengers as they board in foreign countries...the security systems of the foreign countries do. And yes, the technology is available but it is up to the countries in question to purchase the equipment.This is true. And all the security people use their own judgment...good or bad. For instance yesterday my daughter and husband were made to empty their carryons completely and the airline people went through everything down to their wallets and my son and I were waived through without a second look. Of course if we had bombs in our underwear the extensive carryon search wouldn't have found them.
I guess the problem is this: how much money do we spend on searches and how invasive do we get?
Ravi there is technology available that would allow searches of people without even touching them. Some groups think this is an invasion of privacy and are concerned about what security officials might see under clothes worn by passengers...i.e. men who wear women's clothes, woman who wear mens clothes, transgendered individuals etc. etc. Now what we are forgetting here is that flying is a priviledge...not a right. If airports chose to screen passengers in such a way as it's viewed by some as an invasion of privacy that person has the right to take the bus....otherwise if they wish to fly they must comply with the rules. I have about a million frequent flier miles and have lost gel mouse pads, untold amounts of toothpaste, L'Occitane stuff, been patted down and had my balls grabbed, ass cheeks felt up and my gel insoles taken....was I upset? Yes. I even have a TWIC card and that didn't help. It's the price we pay for security. What we should be asking is...why did this guy get high grade military explosives on an airplane when airports are supposed to screen for nitrate based explosives? How did this happen on a flight bound for the US and therefore subject to U.S. TSA screening procedures?
I bet heads roll over this in Amsterdam and possibly the U.S. as well
So what is the answer? Refuse in bound airplanes from countries that don't have state of the art screening?
This all fits into Obama's answer during the primary debates....that his first concern is making sure that they have good first responders.
Obama is mainly concerned with policing up the bodies and putting on a good face after a successful attack.
That's what it seems like at this point. When you lose focus on who is the enemy and begin to think that if you kiss their ass they will go away you just invite more attacks.
The jihadi and Al Qaeda respect nothing but violence and the more violence one brings down on the other....they win.
Was Security "Loosened"... And if so, why?
btw, Neopolitino's comment was about what happened after the mistake of allowing this fuckhead aboard...IMO she was praising the passengers and flight attendants.
But of course you all are free to spin it as you will.
Was Security "Loosened"... And if so, why?
Where did this man board the plane?
At an Airport...
Why was Security "Tightened"?...
peace...
Where did this man board the plane?
At an Airport...
Why was Security "Tightened"?...
peace...
Where did he board the plane?
the tsa is a joke. they fail tests all the time. all the security put in place is a useless hassle, people are still going to get on planes and do what they want
Was Security "Loosened"... And if so, why?
Where did this man board the plane?
