Second Amendment rights lead to Second Amendment Remedies

[Revere]

Why would anyone resort to the elaborate plot of acquiring a mini-bus when guns are available?

My point was, if guns WEREN'T available, you WOULD still see killers.....they'd simply resort to more creative tact at that point and possibly worse. How does that not make sense?

Do you think a killer says in his head, "I'll ACTUALLY kill now, since guns are available!"

No...he probably decides he's a killer first, then he goes about planning his means.

Eliminating guns would simply see him resorting to other means.

Would government make you safe from box cutters, or fertilizer crammed into a rented truck if it took away your guns?

Americans already have a choice of using boxcutters or rented trucks filled with fertilizer. We are Americans....we like our guns and that is the weapon of choice when we invoke our Second Amendment Remedies.

Those Americans without guns do not tend to go out and get boxcutters or vans full of explosives. They tend to vent their frustrations through First Amendment Remedies

But government can't protect you from any of those things.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Our Founding Fathers thought it was important that Americans have the right to bear arms. Since our inception, guns have played an important role of who we are as a country. Guns are part of being an American. Every child grew up playing Cowboys and Indians. With millions of guns out there, there is no turning back. Guns are a part of America.
With our Second Amendment rights come the accessibility of Second Amendment Remedies. Those aspects of our society that some are not happy with can be dealt with by a gun. If you don't like the way someone is using their First Amendment rights to free speech...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. If you don't like someones politics....there are always Second Amendment Remedies
This has become part of who we are. Throughout our history, individuals have relied on Second Amendment Remedies to resolve their grievances. Somebody cuts you off in traffic...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. Somebody disses your girlfriend? Second Amendment Remedies.
You want to know what we can do about it? Nothing
We have to live with it. It is part of being an American. We have set our path and now must live with the consequences. Some of those consequences of universal gun ownership are good....some are bad. But thats the way it is

Wrong.

The Second Amendment is there for when people or governments try to take away your First Amendment rights.

That's why they're #1 and #2.

 

[daveman]

Handgun crime 'up' despite ban

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

 

[G.T.]

Why would anyone resort to the elaborate plot of acquiring a mini-bus when guns are available?

My point was, if guns WEREN'T available, you WOULD still see killers.....they'd simply resort to more creative tact at that point and possibly worse. How does that not make sense?

Do you think a killer says in his head, "I'll ACTUALLY kill now, since guns are available!"

No...he probably decides he's a killer first, then he goes about planning his means.

Eliminating guns would simply see him resorting to other means.

Would government make you safe from box cutters, or fertilizer crammed into a rented truck if it took away your guns?

Americans already have a choice of using boxcutters or rented trucks filled with fertilizer. We are Americans....we like our guns and that is the weapon of choice when we invoke our Second Amendment Remedies.

Those Americans without guns do not tend to go out and get boxcutters or vans full of explosives. They tend to vent their frustrations through First Amendment Remedies

You're still missing the point.

Killers using guns, now, would go ahead and use those other things if guns weren't available to them, and so blaming guns instead of just flat out----the killers, isn't really a cogent point.

 

[rightwinger]

Our Founding Fathers thought it was important that Americans have the right to bear arms. Since our inception, guns have played an important role of who we are as a country. Guns are part of being an American. Every child grew up playing Cowboys and Indians. With millions of guns out there, there is no turning back. Guns are a part of America.
With our Second Amendment rights come the accessibility of Second Amendment Remedies. Those aspects of our society that some are not happy with can be dealt with by a gun. If you don't like the way someone is using their First Amendment rights to free speech...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. If you don't like someones politics....there are always Second Amendment Remedies
This has become part of who we are. Throughout our history, individuals have relied on Second Amendment Remedies to resolve their grievances. Somebody cuts you off in traffic...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. Somebody disses your girlfriend? Second Amendment Remedies.
You want to know what we can do about it? Nothing
We have to live with it. It is part of being an American. We have set our path and now must live with the consequences. Some of those consequences of universal gun ownership are good....some are bad. But thats the way it is

Wrong.

The Second Amendment is there for when people or governments try to take away your First Amendment rights.

That's why they're #1 and #2.

Sometimes....

But most times our Second Amendment Remedies are because we don't like how someone else is using their First Amendment Remedies

That is why we have assasinations

 

[rightwinger]

Would government make you safe from box cutters, or fertilizer crammed into a rented truck if it took away your guns?

Americans already have a choice of using boxcutters or rented trucks filled with fertilizer. We are Americans....we like our guns and that is the weapon of choice when we invoke our Second Amendment Remedies.

Those Americans without guns do not tend to go out and get boxcutters or vans full of explosives. They tend to vent their frustrations through First Amendment Remedies

You're still missing the point.

Killers using guns, now, would go ahead and use those other things if guns weren't available to them, and so blaming guns instead of just flat out----the killers, isn't really a cogent point.

Political Assasinations happen with guns. So do most of the murders in this country. The gun is our weapon of choice....always has been

 

[Revere]

Our Founding Fathers thought it was important that Americans have the right to bear arms. Since our inception, guns have played an important role of who we are as a country. Guns are part of being an American. Every child grew up playing Cowboys and Indians. With millions of guns out there, there is no turning back. Guns are a part of America.
With our Second Amendment rights come the accessibility of Second Amendment Remedies. Those aspects of our society that some are not happy with can be dealt with by a gun. If you don't like the way someone is using their First Amendment rights to free speech...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. If you don't like someones politics....there are always Second Amendment Remedies
This has become part of who we are. Throughout our history, individuals have relied on Second Amendment Remedies to resolve their grievances. Somebody cuts you off in traffic...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. Somebody disses your girlfriend? Second Amendment Remedies.
You want to know what we can do about it? Nothing
We have to live with it. It is part of being an American. We have set our path and now must live with the consequences. Some of those consequences of universal gun ownership are good....some are bad. But thats the way it is

Wrong.

The Second Amendment is there for when people or governments try to take away your First Amendment rights.

That's why they're #1 and #2.

Sometimes....

But most times our Second Amendment Remedies are because we don't like how someone else is using their First Amendment Remedies

That is why we have assasinations

Are assassinations associated with people who merely speak? Or people who govern?

 

[G.T.]

Americans already have a choice of using boxcutters or rented trucks filled with fertilizer. We are Americans....we like our guns and that is the weapon of choice when we invoke our Second Amendment Remedies.

Those Americans without guns do not tend to go out and get boxcutters or vans full of explosives. They tend to vent their frustrations through First Amendment Remedies

You're still missing the point.

Killers using guns, now, would go ahead and use those other things if guns weren't available to them, and so blaming guns instead of just flat out----the killers, isn't really a cogent point.

Political Assasinations happen with guns. So do most of the murders in this country. The gun is our weapon of choice....always has been

Still missing the point.

They'd happen regardless.

Without guns in the picture of life, people will still murder.
People will still be assassinated.

 

[Truthmatters]

And if more people in the crowd were armed the wack job shooter might not have done the damage he did.

I for one refuse to be anyone's target so I carry.

It was in Arizona for hells sake.
There were people there packing and the smartest way to take him down was like he was taken down.

It has been stated already people were packing.

Its been on the news.

No one was able to shoot him for fear of shooting a by stander.

 

[Sallow]

Our Founding Fathers thought it was important that Americans have the right to bear arms. Since our inception, guns have played an important role of who we are as a country. Guns are part of being an American. Every child grew up playing Cowboys and Indians. With millions of guns out there, there is no turning back. Guns are a part of America.
With our Second Amendment rights come the accessibility of Second Amendment Remedies. Those aspects of our society that some are not happy with can be dealt with by a gun. If you don't like the way someone is using their First Amendment rights to free speech...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. If you don't like someones politics....there are always Second Amendment Remedies
This has become part of who we are. Throughout our history, individuals have relied on Second Amendment Remedies to resolve their grievances. Somebody cuts you off in traffic...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. Somebody disses your girlfriend? Second Amendment Remedies.
You want to know what we can do about it? Nothing
We have to live with it. It is part of being an American. We have set our path and now must live with the consequences. Some of those consequences of universal gun ownership are good....some are bad. But thats the way it is

That's if you hold the current narrow Supreme Court view..that it's an indivdual right. It's not.

Be that as it may..we have many indivduals that own guns and there ought to be compromise between those that want open carry everywhere and anywhere..and those that don't want indivduals to have guns.

As it stands..the NRA does not feel that way. Hence the consequences. Arizona has open carry. That did nothing to stave off this incident. However, the lax regulatory structure which governs the sale of guns and ammunition..all but assured something like this was going to happen.

And it did.

 

[Revere]

The closest guy who was armed was in a nearby Walgreens at the time.

I mean, really. Who goes to see a Democrat Congresswoman with a concealed weapon, or one openly carried, for protection?

If it were a Republican, there would have been people there packing.

 

[G.T.]

The closest guy who was armed was in a nearby Walgreens at the time.

I mean, really. Who goes to see a Democrat Congresswoman with a concealed weapon, or one openly carried, for protection?

If it were a Republican, there would have been people there packing.

yea cuz only Republicans concealed carry.

 

[Revere]

Our Founding Fathers thought it was important that Americans have the right to bear arms. Since our inception, guns have played an important role of who we are as a country. Guns are part of being an American. Every child grew up playing Cowboys and Indians. With millions of guns out there, there is no turning back. Guns are a part of America.
With our Second Amendment rights come the accessibility of Second Amendment Remedies. Those aspects of our society that some are not happy with can be dealt with by a gun. If you don't like the way someone is using their First Amendment rights to free speech...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. If you don't like someones politics....there are always Second Amendment Remedies
This has become part of who we are. Throughout our history, individuals have relied on Second Amendment Remedies to resolve their grievances. Somebody cuts you off in traffic...you have Second Amendment Remedies available to you. Somebody disses your girlfriend? Second Amendment Remedies.
You want to know what we can do about it? Nothing
We have to live with it. It is part of being an American. We have set our path and now must live with the consequences. Some of those consequences of universal gun ownership are good....some are bad. But thats the way it is

That's if you hold the current narrow Supreme Court view..that it's an indivdual right. It's not.

Be that as it may..we have many indivduals that own guns and there ought to be compromise between those that want open carry everywhere and anywhere..and those that don't want indivduals to have guns.

As it stands..the NRA does not feel that way. Hence the consequences. Arizona has open carry. That did nothing to stave off this incident. However, the lax regulatory structure which governs the sale of guns and ammunition..all but assured something like this was going to happen.

And it did.

Specifically, what did Jared Loughner do to merit being denied the purchase of a gun? Marijuana possession? Running a red light?

The insanity defense is being mocked even after he shot the place up. Are we supposed to declare him too insane to get a gun BEFORE he shoots anyone?

 

[Ernie S.]

And if more people in the crowd were armed the wack job shooter might not have done the damage he did.

I for one refuse to be anyone's target so I carry.

That's JUST what we need, more armed idiots.

Thanks then for not arming yourself.

 

[Truthmatters]

The closest guy who was armed was in a nearby Walgreens at the time.

I mean, really. Who goes to see a Democrat Congresswoman with a concealed weapon, or one openly carried, for protection?

If it were a Republican, there would have been people there packing.

yea cuz only Republicans concealed carry.

They think only republicans have guns.

That is why they dont care about the violent imagery , they think only dems wilkl be effected by the violence that emerges.

There is a dead republican in this.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Better to be armed than to be a defenseless sheep led to slaughter.

Oh please....now honestly, while I support everyone's right to won a gun or guns, do we REALLY want to return our society to the good old days of the wild, wild west, where every disagreement was settled with a gun fight? REALLY?

Since when would taking out a wacko who is shooting innocent children the same as solving every dispute with a gun?

It's these insane leaps of so called liberal logic that make you guys look like fucking morons.

Where exactly does a bullet go? Assuming you're trained to fire your weapon in a stressed environment where chaos is the rule, how sure are you that you won't become the 'wacko' who fired the round which killed a child?

 

[G.T.]

The closest guy who was armed was in a nearby Walgreens at the time.

I mean, really. Who goes to see a Democrat Congresswoman with a concealed weapon, or one openly carried, for protection?

If it were a Republican, there would have been people there packing.

yea cuz only Republicans concealed carry.

They think only republicans have guns.

That is why they dont care about the violent imagery , they think only dems wilkl be effected by the violence that emerges.There is a dead republican in this.

That's a stupid comment, too though.

 

[Ernie S.]

And if more people in the crowd were armed the wack job shooter might not have done the damage he did.

I for one refuse to be anyone's target so I carry.

More Second Amendment remedies

A valid 2nd amendment remedy, unlike the bullshit in the OP.

 

[Revere]

The closest guy who was armed was in a nearby Walgreens at the time.

I mean, really. Who goes to see a Democrat Congresswoman with a concealed weapon, or one openly carried, for protection?

If it were a Republican, there would have been people there packing.

yea cuz only Republicans concealed carry.

They think only republicans have guns.

That is why they dont care about the violent imagery , they think only dems wilkl be effected by the violence that emerges.

There is a dead republican in this.

The judge's presence was not known in advance.

Do you think anyone who tried to shoot up a Tea Party rally would probably get shot, themselves?

 

[Ernie S.]

Guns aren't the problem

They're the symptom of the problem.

Guns will also not be the solution to the problem.

If guns could have solved the problem of intrusive and ineffective government, they'd have done it already.

Guns do not solve the problem of crime, either. In fact they exascerbate it.

Guns serve a few people's need to feel safer in an increasingly unsafe world, and that's about the best that can said for them.

But if you're one of those people living in one of those places where the nutters and criminals seem to outnumber the sane people, that's probably justification enough to own guns.

If I lived in some of the shitholes where civilized life is impossible, I'd arm myself, too.

But don't EVEN try to tell me that you're having guns is going to solve anything in this society other than your own sense of safety.

The problem is not too many guns, but not enough.
I am constantly amazed by the left's failed logic.. In an attempt to illustrate, I'll use failed logic to advocate increased gun ownership. Perhaps those of you who ridicule my scenario will see themselves.
Jared Loughner owned just one gun that he had purchased in November. He killed 6 people and wounded 13.
I own 12 firearms of various types and calibers and I have never killed or wounded anyone.
Obviously, the solution to gun violence is more guns, not less.