Screw Abstinence Party

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    An affiliate of one of the nation's leading abortion-rights groups is taking a hard-edged swipe at cultural conservatives by inviting young donors to a "Screw Abstinence Party."

    The Washington-state affiliate of NARAL Pro-Choice America says the first-of-its-kind fund-raiser tomorrow night in Seattle targets young professionals in their 20s and 30s.

    A promo for the event says: "Tired of Bush & Co. spending your tax dollars on abstinence-only-until-marriage initiatives that promote dangerous misinformation? Throw your hands up and say it loud: 'Screw Abstinence!'"

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45242
     
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    Here is the NARAL website: http://www.wanaral.org/s01takeaction/200506101.shtml

    Here are a few of the highlights:

    Pork Filled Players – Seattle theatre’s hottest sketch comedy group performs a sex ed class for adults
    Toys in Babeland – Seattle’s sleaze-free, sex-positive purveyors of adult toys offer tips on “Sexy Safer Sex”

    Ticket Prices:

    $15.00 “The Birds and the Bees” - Gets ya in the door.
    $30.00 “The Full Monty”- Gets ya in the door, a Screw Driver drink ticket, & a Screw Abstinence T-Shirt.

    You also have to be 21 to enter.

    Obviously something geared to Non-Middle School/High School students.

    Looks like an excuse to dance and get drunk.
     
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    What a lovely and positive forum for young women :wtf:
     
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    I guess I'm a bit slow... are these people SERIOUSLY against teaching kids to wait to have sex? How could that possibly be a bad thing, regardless of your political affiliations?
     
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    Because they make their money with contraception and abortion, abstience would put a real crimp in that.
     
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    I have to ask....

    If these bastions of genius are teaching kids to have sex....

    then why are they so upset about pedophilia or child pornography?

    After all, why do we protect kids from such things (I assume from the belief that exposure to sex is harmful to children)?

    And if sex is harmful to children that we have to protect them from pornography and from sexual predators, then why are we educating kids about the "down and dirty" about sex?

    If "kids are going to have sex anyway", then why not do the following instead? While in sex education kids can have sex with an adult sex educator (who has been trained, of course) who can teach them how to use condoms, perform "safe sex acts", teach the girls about avoiding pregnancy. All in the safety of a school setting. The girls won't get pregnant, the kids won't get diseases and not only that, it will eliminate the problem of pedophilic teachers (and priests, too! Maybe Catholic Schools ought to get on this!). And of course, gay students can have sex with a gay sex educator, too. And let's not forget, if the girls accidentally get pregnant, the schools can arrange for a quick and discrete abortion, no one has to know, not even the parents! Gee, I don't know why no one has thought of this before! (Note: if anyone actually believes that I'm condoning this sort of nonsense, they're definitely missing the point)

    Does anyone else see the contradiction here... or have I been drinking too much root beer?
     
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    Obviously, many of you have been drinking too much of something.
    Let me see if I can explain it to you. There are these things called "hormones." All young girls (Christian or not, regardless of parentage) suddenly become sexually aware. Especially when they are surrounded by sexual references in movies, TV, music, media and personal contacts. It happens to boys as well. Not only are boys explosed to the same temptations, they are thrust into a culture that teaches them that they are not "men" until they get laid.
    Unless you track your daughter like a watchdog, or perhaps never let her out of the house, she is going to meet some guy who fancies her. And perhaps the feeling is mutual. There is going to sexual curiousity, or at least interest. Whether mommy and daddy like it or not.
    IF your daughter decides to have sex (she is NOT going to ask you -- trust me on this), would you like her to know how to protect herself from unwanted pregnancy. Or would you like her to believe something like "you can't get pregnant the first time" or "I won't come in you, so you won't get pregnant."
    You can tell teenagers what NOT to do until you are blue in the face. You can threaten and promise all you want. They might decide not to listen to you.

    Does anyone REALLY think that if you teach only abstinence, and not provide kids access to birth control, they will decide not to have sex? While you are at it, tell them not to drink, smoke, curse or write with their left hand.
    You can be as moral white bread as you want. It doesn't guarantee that your kids will do the same.
     
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    Yes. I was told to remain chaste, and more importantly I was told why we remain chaste, and I am chaste till this day because of it. That's the beauty of human being, if you teach them good principles they will govern themselves. You severely underestimate the power of good parents. Probably because of your lack of experience in that matter.
     
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    Excellent point. All this talk about kids not being able to control themselves. Some people would want you to believe that kids will wake up one day, their raging hormones have overtaken them, and any and all teachings from their parents will be thrown out the window.

    These hormones obviously cause such animalisitc feelings that these poor children simply can't control themselves and will sleep with the first person they walk upon in the hallway at school.

    I firmly believe that with the proper teaching (when the children are growing up) of what is right and wrong, respect, how they react to other people and situations, that a lot of this "sexual desire due to hormones" will take them of themselves.

    There is peer pressure with cigarettes, liquor, drugs, porn, etc. This parental upbringing will touch on all these parts of their life.

    I know this because I lived it. Two girls. Five years apart. They were taught from day one that they control their own actions. These are the things that are proper and correct; these are the things that are not. The list of things that were not acceptable was based on respect (for others and themselves), health, safety, and the law.

    You teach your child to wake up in the morning. You teach your child to be clean; take showers, wash their hair, brush their teeth, etc. Why is it so difficult to teach them to say "no" to things that aren't acceptable because of their age or ....?

    Believe me, I had a much harder time getting them to wake up in the morning than I did convincing them that saying "no" was a preferred option. Telling them about teenage pregnancy, disease, how their plans for their life would change if they had a child, etc was a breeze compared to getting them out of bed to go to school.

    Being a parent isn't easy. Yes, there are all kinds of outside influences over your children that are tough and sometimes, almost impossible to deal with.

    I refuse to allow this to change the way I want to raise my kids. I say abstinence is best. Just because there is sex on tv, music, etc; I'm not going to "give-in" and say, "Having sex before you are married is bad and here are the reasons:...... But, if you do have sex, use protection."

    Talk about a mixed message.

    It is called "self-fulfilling prophecy." If you keep saying it is impossible to teach abstinence, kids don't listen, raging hormones; then yes, parents will believe it.

    I wonder what would happen all that energy spent on "just say protection" was spent on "just say no."
     
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    Gabby, one universal rule about bad behavior is that regulations legitimize that behavior. If you teach that abstinence is the only correct option, then thy'll know that you severely dissapprove. Also, if you don't pesent them with these false, unreliable safety nets, they'll catch diseases and get pregnant. Tell them this, and they're astronomically less likely to have sex before it's time. However, if you say, "Don't have sex, but if you do..." then you're establishing rules for what's acceptable when having pre-marital sex. This legitimizes the activity and they think it's o.k., so they'll do it. Sure, the "Don't, but if you do..." thing sounds nice in concept, but it doesn't work.
     

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