schumer makes move to deny veterans right to bear arms

[OKTexas]

You want special hearings so the incompetent can keep their right to own a gun?

Who's going to pay for that?

Not so some can keep their gun, they government has to prove they have a real reason to deny a constitutional right. The Constitution gives everyone the right to their life, liberty and property unless they receive due process, meaning a court order, to take one or more of them away. It's a very simple concept, defend the constitution or piss on it, it's up to you. You should be concerned that all rights of all people are protected, if not be prepared to lose yours.

 

[AmyNation]

This is the current law and has been the law since 1998.

Any veteran who has been deemed mentally incompetent has their name added to the list. Vets who feel they aren't incompetent, can appeal, OR if they feel they are incompetent but dont pose a danger to others they can appeal to have their name removed from the list.

Seems reasonable to me.

 

[AmyNation]

You want special hearings so the incompetent can keep their right to own a gun?

Who's going to pay for that?

Not so some can keep their gun, they government has to prove they have a real reason to deny a constitutional right. The Constitution gives everyone the right to their life, liberty and property unless they receive due process, meaning a court order, to take one or more of them away. It's a very simple concept, defend the constitution or piss on it, it's up to you. You should be concerned that all rights of all people are protected, if not be prepared to lose yours.

Mental incompetence isnt enough to deny someone the right to own a gun?

 

[WillowTree]

You want special hearings so the incompetent can keep their right to own a gun?

Who's going to pay for that?

Did you give them a gun on the battlefield? Were they incompetent then?

 

[gallantwarrior]

"“I love our veterans, I vote for them all the time. They defend us,” Schumer said. “If you are a veteran or not and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.”

*gasp*

How dare he! The crazies deserve guns too!

Yeah, unable to handle finances makes you mentally unstable? Really? I have three jobs and my ability to "handle my finances" is becoming increasingly difficult. Just the cost of fuel alone is a challenge...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is the current law and has been the law since 1998.

Any veteran who has been deemed mentally incompetent has their name added to the list. Vets who feel they aren't incompetent, can appeal, OR if they feel they are incompetent but dont pose a danger to others they can appeal to have their name removed from the list.

Seems reasonable to me.

You must be a commie.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You want special hearings so the incompetent can keep their right to own a gun?

Who's going to pay for that?

Did you give them a gun on the battlefield? Were they incompetent then?

You're the mental incompetent.

Seriously. You just seem to wander around in a daze.

 

[WillowTree]

"“I love our veterans, I vote for them all the time. They defend us,” Schumer said. “If you are a veteran or not and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.”

*gasp*

How dare he! The crazies deserve guns too!

Yeah, unable to handle finances makes you mentally unstable? Really? I have three jobs and my ability to "handle my finances" is becoming increasingly difficult. Just the cost of fuel alone is a challenge...

Well, sweetie you're talking bout the entire demoncrap party..

 

[WillowTree]

You want special hearings so the incompetent can keep their right to own a gun?

Who's going to pay for that?

Did you give them a gun on the battlefield? Were they incompetent then?

You're the mental incompetent.

Seriously. You just seem to wander around in a daze.

cannot answer the question? check.

 

[techieny]

I'd love to shoot Schumer right in his little ass with a big gulp !

 

[gallantwarrior]

"“I love our veterans, I vote for them all the time. They defend us,” Schumer said. “If you are a veteran or not and you have been judged to be mentally infirm, you should not have a gun.”

*gasp*

How dare he! The crazies deserve guns too!

Yeah, unable to handle finances makes you mentally unstable? Really? I have three jobs and my ability to "handle my finances" is becoming increasingly difficult. Just the cost of fuel alone is a challenge...

Well, sweetie you're talking bout the entire demoncrap party..

OK, I accept that, although most of the democrap party doesn't hold ONE job, let alone THREE.

 

[OKTexas]

This is the current law and has been the law since 1998.

Any veteran who has been deemed mentally incompetent has their name added to the list. Vets who feel they aren't incompetent, can appeal, OR if they feel they are incompetent but dont pose a danger to others they can appeal to have their name removed from the list.

Seems reasonable to me.

BS, they have the right to keep and bear arms, that is granted by the constitution, the government has to prove they are incapable of exercising that right responsibily. Putting the burden on the vet to prove they can, goes against all the concepts of justice this country was founded on. The government has always had the burden of proof, not opinion.

 

[whitehall]

You want special hearings so the incompetent can keep their right to own a gun?

Who's going to pay for that?

Not so some can keep their gun, they government has to prove they have a real reason to deny a constitutional right. The Constitution gives everyone the right to their life, liberty and property unless they receive due process, meaning a court order, to take one or more of them away. It's a very simple concept, defend the constitution or piss on it, it's up to you. You should be concerned that all rights of all people are protected, if not be prepared to lose yours.

Mental incompetence isnt enough to deny someone the right to own a gun?

Well duh. Mental incompetence is certainly enough to deny someone the right to own a gun. The worst campus massacre in history on Va. Tech. might have been prevented if the nut case shooter's psychiatric history was made available in the instant record check. He wasn't a veteran but he was under a court ordered psychiatric counseling. I understand that the law was changed. Certainly a veteran who seeks a medical pension for a mental disorder should be denied permission to purchase a weapon until the specialists verify that he is no danger to the community. The burden is on the V.A. and they ain't likely to certify a veteran who is undergoing psychiatric counseling and rightfully so.

 

[007]

The REAL reason behind ALL of this anti fire arms shit by the odumbocrat libroid piss bags is, if they can ever disarm the citizenry of America, then they will have true power over us to do as they damn well please, and they will NEVER have to worry about anyone EVER having the means to oppose them, period, and that's what the writers of the second amendment knew. So you want my guns odumbocrat, you'll have to pry it out of my cold, stiff, dead hands.

 

[Clementine]

Label returning vets as having PTSD.

Take gun rights.

Checkmate!

That is probably the plan. Look at the way our children were diagnosed with ADHD left and right. The new way of doing things is blaming any difficult behavior on some disorder and handing out pills.

I could see the government expanding the definitions of mental illness to include just about everything. Trouble sleeping, normal stress or other minor things may soon be considered red flags. And soon, people won't be allowed to have guns if anyone in their household is deemed to have any kind of disorder.

It's just the start. Government will be dictating to doctors how they can treat patients and government will be the authority on determining who is mentally ill. I would expect them to start declaring a lot more people unbalanced just so they can start confiscating weapons. It is no secret that the far left has wanted this for years. Some buy into the hype that people who own guns are crazed killers.

Usually, the two types of people who wants the citizens disarmed are the criminals and dictators. And they have support from the sheeple who believe they want the world to be safer. They want it to be safer for them only. Criminals would prefer to break in to rape you or rob you knowing you aren't going to shoot him. Dictators don't want people to organize and exercise their liberty if they feel the constitution is being destroyed. The sheeple just want to hear that the government cares about them and will take care of them. They will give anything and everything up for that. Gun owners will be forever vilified by the left.

I agree that anyone who is unstable should not have any type of weapon. The most dangerous and unstable people are the drug dealers, gangs and other violent criminals. They have no conscience and don't hesitate to gun people down for the smallest reasons. Yet, the laws won't touch them. Shame that our politicians can't focus more on going after the real criminals rather than forever tightening laws on the people who actually obey them. The priorities are totally screwed up here.

 

[AmyNation]

The government has already fulfilled their burden.

The doctor says the vet is incompetent, the VA sends notice to the vet, the vet can challenge the doctors findings, or they can agree. If they lose their challenge, they can appeal at any time, if a different doctor disagrees, OR they can agree they are incompetent but petition to have their name removed because they don't pose a danger to others.

 

[konradv]

This is the current law and has been the law since 1998.

Any veteran who has been deemed mentally incompetent has their name added to the list. Vets who feel they aren't incompetent, can appeal, OR if they feel they are incompetent but dont pose a danger to others they can appeal to have their name removed from the list.

Seems reasonable to me.

BS, they have the right to keep and bear arms, that is granted by the constitution, the government has to prove they are incapable of exercising that right responsibily. Putting the burden on the vet to prove they can, goes against all the concepts of justice this country was founded on. The government has always had the burden of proof, not opinion.

Someone must have already made the case or they wouldn't be on the list in the first place. What about the right to appeal don't you understand? It's not like all vets are being put on. besides it's not about vets alone. It's about anyone that's mentally incompetent, so the OP was misleading in the first place. Any wonder the right is being rejected? They want to make sure the mentally ill are armed! Sorry, but the 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact.

 

[gallantwarrior]

The REAL reason behind ALL of this anti fire arms shit by the odumbocrat libroid piss bags is, if they can ever disarm the citizenry of America, then they will have true power over us to do as they damn well please, and they will NEVER have to worry about anyone EVER having the means to oppose them, period, and that's what the writers of the second amendment knew. So you want my guns odumbocrat, you'll have to pry it out of my cold, stiff, dead hands.

And veterans are the first line of defense. Since veterans tend to be patriots, they will have to be disarmed.

 

[OKTexas]

The government has already fulfilled their burden.

The doctor says the vet is incompetent, the VA sends notice to the vet, the vet can challenge the doctors findings, or they can agree. If they lose their challenge, they can appeal at any time, if a different doctor disagrees, OR they can agree they are incompetent but petition to have their name removed because they don't pose a danger to others.

A VA doctor, most of whom aren't totally fulent in English, are you kidding me. Why do libs hate the Constitution, your always looking for way to short cut it. One doctors opinion should not be enough to take your rights and make you have to fight to get them back. They should have to prove their case before you lose your rights. Period. If they can prove their case in a court of law, I have no problem, just give every citizen their day in court, before taking anything form them. Tell me that is unreasonable.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Gun Control: Charles Schumer Makes A Move In The Senate To Deny Veterans The Right To Own Firearms | Market Daily News


...and addition the new health care law could deam guns a dangerous health risk.

slippery slope

Hey Senator Chuckie...why don't you worry about things like the budget deficit. Priorities man!!

We don't have to worry about Schmucky having PTSD, he wouldn't be caught dead in a military uniform, but it was that long vacation Schmucky had in Creedmore that gives me the heebee jeebees about the decisions he makes.