Scholar Claims Dead Sea Scrolls 'Authors' Never Existed

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    Biblical scholars have long argued that the Dead Sea Scrolls were the work of an ascetic and celibate Jewish community known as the Essenes, which flourished in the 1st century A.D. in the scorching desert canyons near the Dead Sea. Now a prominent Israeli scholar, Rachel Elior, disputes that the Essenes ever existed at all — a claim that has shaken the bedrock of biblical scholarship.



    Elior, who teaches Jewish mysticism at Jerusalem's Hebrew University, claims that the Essenes were a fabrication by the 1st century A.D. Jewish-Roman historian Flavius Josephus and that his faulty reporting was passed on as fact throughout the centuries. As Elior explains, the Essenes make no mention of themselves in the 900 scrolls found by a Bedouin shepherd in 1947 in the caves of Qumran, near the Dead Sea. "Sixty years of research have been wasted trying to find the Essenes in the scrolls," Elior tells TIME. "But they didn't exist. This is legend on a legend."

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    Israel Antiques Authority (IAA) has launched an updated version of its digital library of the Dead Sea scrolls...
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    The scholar is an idiot. Of course they existed. Someone wrote them.
     
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    That's not what she was claiming. Just that the Essenes didn't exist, or at least not to the extent frequently believed. Of course someone wrote them, but maybe not this group called Essenes.

    Interesting notion. But her source if validity is the Scrolls themselves saying "...[People] should read them for themselves, the proof is in there." Maybe, but no dicument or collection of documents can prove itself. The book "Dianetics" doesn't prove Scientology in other words. Nor does the DSS prove the Essenes did or didn't exist. To prove something you need outside corroberation, preferably from unbiased sources. As in how Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Romans all agree Yeshua existed. They just differ on the details. But relying solely on the Bible or Christianity wouldn't prove anything. But when 4 groups who tend to not play well with each other agree on something, it's much more reliable.
     
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    Interesting. Flavius was a really busy writer then :)

    The question is - if that was him who wrote hte Dead Sea Scrolls - why did he do it?
     
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    I dont think the scholar is arguing that the scrolls dont exist, nor that someone wrote them. I think they are arguing that they cannot be attributed to the Essenes.
     
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    And so?......
     
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    "James Charlesworth, director of the Dead Sea Scrolls project at Princeton Theological Seminary and an expert on Josephus, says it is not unusual that the word Essenes does not appear in the scrolls. "It's a foreign label," he tells TIME. "When they refer to themselves, it's as 'men of holiness' or 'sons of light.' " Charlesworth contends that at least eight scholars in antiquity refer to the Essenes. One proof of Essene authorship of the Dead Sea Scrolls, he says, is the large number of inkpots found by archaeologists at Qumran."

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    The original writings of the prophets and saints were copied and changed into many different languages and dialects within these languages by antichrists who had no idea who our Creator was.

    These antichrists were used by God to deceive the rest of His people into believing that the written documents by His prophets and saints were the true Word of God.

    The original untouched writings by the prophets and saints are only written testimonies by the true Word of God, which is our true created existence within the mind of our Creator. Our Creator takes the vocabulary words that the prophets and saints learned from childhood and according to His invisible knowledge that no man can see, He puts them into the mind of the prophets and saints for them to write down on paper or speak them to people who listen to them.

    Anyone who listened to the saints speak to them and remain as friends are called believers. Anyone who rejected the spoken Word of God were called unbelievers.

    The written documents that man discovers CANNOT be trusted as the original writings of the prophets and saints so these Dead Sea Scrolls are meaningless to God's last saint, the one who is writing this comment.
     
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    So here we have someone who teaches "Jewish mysticism" (NOT archaeology), who makes an outrageous claim and gets a lot of notoriety for it.

    Hmmm.

    Publicity seeking academic twit?
     

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