Scary Poll: 44% in poll OK limits on rights of Muslims

[chanel]

Maybe it would help if more Muslims, American or otherwise, condemned the acts of the extremists.

My point is that people aren't pulling this fear out of their asses, it comes from witnessing what Muslim terrorists have done and the lack of condemnation from the Muslim community.

They do, constantly. Nearly every major American (and many, many foreign) Muslim group issues an official condemnation of every major terrorist attack. They're just not aired on Fox News or talked about on USMB.

Statements by Muslim leaders condemning terrorism

Why are there no condemnations from Muslim sources against terrorists?

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc.

Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.

Overview:

The problem is not that condemnations do not exist; it is that they are not well publicized in the media. Allie Shah wrote in the Star Tribune in Minnneapolis, MN:

"The fact is that many prominent American Muslim groups have clearly and publicly denounced acts of terror in the name of Islam as barbaric, heinous and just plain wrong. Though they religiously send out press releases and e-mail statements after every attack, somehow their message doesn't seem to penetrate." 1

Two of the largest Muslim groups in the U.S. -- the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) regularly issue statements. However, they rarely appear in local newspapers, on TV or radio.

Allie Shaw continues:

"Last fall, CAIR launched a national petition drive as part of a campaign by Muslims called 'Not in the Name of Islam.' To date, nearly 700,000 Muslims have signed the petition condemning terrorism committed in the name of Islam, and many newspapers have covered the petition drive. As part of the same campaign, CAIR also created and paid for public service announcements set to air on television stations nationwide....."

"If all that wasn't enough, last Thursday the Fiqh Council of North America issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism. Endorsed by more than 100 U.S. Muslim authorities, the fatwa boldly and unequivocally forbids terrorism and admonishes those who commit terrorist attacks....."

"The lengthy fatwa continues with references to the Qur'an that support the ruling. It may not be enough to dissuade a minority of extremists hellbent on destruction, but it is the right thing to do."

"In the meantime, we will continue to react with the same shock and dismay and, yes, anger, at the misguided people who continue to show no regard for human life. And we'll continue to speak out against terrorism in the hopes that someone is listening."

There's a lot more at that site about how frequently, seriously, and uniformly almost all Muslim organizations (especially the two biggest ones) are about condemning all acts of terrorism carried out by people who claim to be Muslim. It's simply a lack of awareness, not a lack of the condemnations, that leads certain people to believe Muslims don't speak out against terrorism.

That is encouraging Quentin. But CAIR has also been involved in spreading propaganda, and some shady financial dealings. Condemnation is good - but what about action?

I do believe the Muslims in this country are far more moderate, educated, and "westernized" than in Europe. Especially Britain. One of the reasons we have experienced less hate than those in London is because of that. We need to look at what's gone wrong in England. Assimilation is crucial. Political Correctness and Multi-culturism will be our demis.

 

[Shogun]

Turkey was the ONLY MUSLIM COUNTRY to allow MusLAMES and non MusLAMES to have the same rights.

Yet it's 99.8% Islamic and is the 7th most populous Muslim-majority country. What does that tell you?

That Turks are more reasonable than Arabs.
Sarcasm aside
Doesn't Turkey have a more literate society than a lot of Islamic countries currently boast?
Ignorance breeds radicalism and bigotry; we can see that graphically by comparing your posting with say Shogun.
You support Islam and are reasonable, hence your arguments are reasonable.
Shogun supports Islam and is unreasonable, hence his arguments are unreasonable.

A strategic goal of counter-terrorism should be to try and ensure all the Islamic countries become more literate and educated.

tell me more about what it means to be unreasonable, mr. SHOGUN IS GAY! SHOGUN IS GAY! TELL EVERYONE THAT SHOGUN MUST BE GAY BECAUSE HE SUPPORTS GAY RIGHTS!







Go tell it to your Man's Club, cock sucker.

 

[EriktheRed]

Not surprising, but I don't think we have to worry about having to break out the crescent armbands, either.

 

[Father Time]

And what about all thos unconstitutional laws protecting churches? No liquor sales with so many feet of a church? Nudie bars are not allowed close to churches either in most places, etc...
Those are laws that are in violation of the constitution.

Please explain how those laws are unconstitutional.

Please keep in mind there are also laws about the proximity and hours of operation of arcades to schools. Those must also be unconstitutional.

Heaven forbid (oops, there I go again) a community have standards that they want enforced by law.

Yeah fuck freedom, let's demand our standards be instated by force

 

[Father Time]

Oh, so you're saying that Islam causes them to become ill and then randomly murder innocent people. Splitting hairs, don't you think?

No, I'm not saying Islam caused him to become ill. I'm saying that he was ill and just happened to be a Muslim.

lmao

Wow you fail at logic. Every school shooter in the US was male, so does being male cause people to become school shooters or is just a coincidence?

 

[Father Time]

Being a Jap doesn't cause people to murder others randomly, being muslim does. I never have been a fan of the Jap camps.

You sure about that Screamer? That doesn't jive with worldwide homicide rates: Homicide Rate by Country

In fact, Muslim countries rank very low.

Yeah, more racist ignorant BS.

Muslim is not a race.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No.......MusLAME is a religion.

Arab (of which most MusLAMES are) is a race.

 

[Shogun]

No.......MusLAME is a religion.

Arab (of which most MusLAMES are) is a race.

You know, given some of the retarded shit you believe do you really think it's smart to talk shit about muslims? Seriously. I've seen you try to validate Nostradamus and claim some bullshit jesus zen crap as if you've seen too many kung fu movies and think you are a jesus loving white guy chi-filled ninja with a porn mustache. You have no reason to throw rocks at anyone.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No.......MusLAME is a religion.

Arab (of which most MusLAMES are) is a race.

You know, given some of the retarded shit you believe do you really think it's smart to talk shit about muslims? Seriously. I've seen you try to validate Nostradamus and claim some bullshit jesus zen crap as if you've seen too many kung fu movies and think you are a jesus loving white guy chi-filled ninja with a porn mustache. You have no reason to throw rocks at anyone.

I see that you're already starting my legend.............

Thank You!

 

[Shogun]

"legend" is probably not the word i'd use.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Exactly what rights are they talking about taking away. Id like to know specifics.

That's what I keep looking for. I hear a lot of outraged, self-righteous blather about "how horrible, they want to take away Constitutional rights, the hypocrites", but I haven't actually seen any mention of any actual Constitutional rights anyone said they wanted to take away.

Of course, I've also seen a lot of sententious nonsense about "what about THESE Unconstitutional laws", but none of them have actually been Unconstitutional, so I'm thinking there are a lot of idiot leftists here who are outraged by violations and suggested violations of their ideal imaginary Constitution, rather than the ACTUAL Constitution.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I have an idea--how about curbing the rights of all religious people??

Then no one can complain about the other group having more rights...

I have a better idea. How about curbing the rights of people who are likely to be dangerous to the lives and well-being of those around them?

And by the way, when is someone going to tell us which rights anyone suggested curbing? Because I'm still looking for that list, and still not finding it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And what about all thos unconstitutional laws protecting churches? No liquor sales with so many feet of a church? Nudie bars are not allowed close to churches either in most places, etc...
Those are laws that are in violation of the constitution.

Please explain how those laws are unconstitutional.

Please keep in mind there are also laws about the proximity and hours of operation of arcades to schools. Those must also be unconstitutional.

Heaven forbid (oops, there I go again) a community have standards that they want enforced by law.

Schools are not religions. Churches are, the constitution says no laws regarding the establishemnt of religion. Having laws that protect chruches form businesses they do not like around is unconstitutional.

The US Constitution says CONGRESS shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion. It doesn't say jack shit about CITY COUNCILS making zoning laws concerning various types of businesses and organizations. And don't tell me that zoning laws according to the wishes and best interests of the city residents is Unconstitutional, because that's their frigging JOB. That's what they're elected to do.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The majority of America became convinced that we should invade Iraq. But they were wrong.

Fear makes people make bad decisions.

so what do muslims fear?

Arriving at the gates of heaven and finding that the 72 virgins are of the same sex as they are.

Immie

You might want to check the Quran a little closer, because I don't think all of them are all that afraid of the idea. Seems to me I recall a passage in there about pretty young boys in Paradise.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You know of another reason why he did it then?

He was clearly ill. Not all Muslim people or even half of Muslim people are terrorists or support terrorists. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yeah? Talk to me the next time some redneck dingbat shoots an abortion doctor "in the name of God" and you rush out to condemn Christians, despite the fact that THEIR leaders, unlike Muslim leaders, are the first to take to the airwaves and condemn the guy's actions.

And don't waste my time trying to convince me that you NEVER, EVER generalize like that. I won't believe you, and I doubt anyone else who isn't the same type of hypocrite you are will, either.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, I'm not saying Islam caused him to become ill. I'm saying that he was ill and just happened to be a Muslim.

lmao

Wow you fail at logic. Every school shooter in the US was male, so does being male cause people to become school shooters or is just a coincidence?

I hate to break it to you, but being male IS, in fact, a huge factor in violent crime. No, not all men are violent criminals, any more than all Muslims are terrorists, but it's a fact that men commit VASTLY more violent crimes than women do, and Muslims commit VASTLY more terrorist acts than other people do.

 

[gautama]

44% in poll OK limits on rights of Muslims - The Boston Globe

ITHACA, N.Y. -- Nearly half of all Americans surveyed said they think the US government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims' civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim Americans.

The survey indicated that 44 percent of those surveyed said they favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted.

The survey indicated that 27 percent of the respondents said they supported requiring all Muslim Americans to register their home address with the federal government. Twenty-two percent said they favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent said they thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

According to the survey, 37 percent of respondents said they think a terrorist attack in the United States is likely within the next 12 months.

In a similar poll conducted by Cornell in November 2002, the figure was 90 percent.

So, I'm guessing since they're Muslims that their rights no longer apply to them? I have feeling that similar to the Japanese during WWII, we'll have internment camps being wanted next by some people.

This is very dangerous about how quickly people who don't think want to take Constitution rights away from others.

Disclaimer: Note for those so people don't get confused: The poll is from 2004.

Should be 100% for profiling these ticking time-bombs who follow the Pedophile and Thief's clearcut instructions in his created Quran: "Any action is commendable in attaining the central goal of Islam, by word or SWORD."

 

[Shogun]

yea yea yea.. whatever you say crusader.

 

[ABikerSailor]

"legend" is probably not the word i'd use.

Tall tale, myth, ballad, ode, or any other name........

It's all the same anyway. BTW......the porn 'stache is now a porn goatee.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I have an idea--how about curbing the rights of all religious people??

Then no one can complain about the other group having more rights...

I have a better idea. How about curbing the rights of people who are likely to be dangerous to the lives and well-being of those around them?

And by the way, when is someone going to tell us which rights anyone suggested curbing? Because I'm still looking for that list, and still not finding it.

Curbing the rights of people who are likely to be dangerous to those around them?

Cool........let's start with the Westboro Baptist Church and the cult of Fred Phelps. Next, let's go after the idiots in the GOP tea parties who think carrying loaded assault weapons to a healthcare rally is a good idea.

Then, we can start in on the Catholic pedophile priests who have harmed their parrishes over many years.

Then we can go after the others that restrict free thought and those that don't think exactly like us.........

See where this leads?