imawhosure
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Answer this, honestly if you can. Knowing that the Founders feared democracy, I shouldn't even have to quote that but I can if necessary, and set up a Constitutional Democratic Republic instead, who, in essence, did they not trust?Just admit it! That is why you fear an article 5. No way in hell you are going to let the "rube-dummies" have a say in re-establishing equalibrium. No, oh hell no. You pointy heads know better, and how dare they even SUGGEST you return a little power to them.
OK, I am not going to lie to anyone, you got me there, lol. (and I am laughing because you actually made a point)
But, they also put in article 5 in case the federal government got out of control. Our founders set it up so that nothing could move quickly unless congress made it so.
I may despise Obamacare, but with a few questionable moves made by Reid, he pushed it through. It has passed the muster of Supreme court, and like it or not, unless another congress rescinds it, it is the law of the land. Don't like it, but it is, what it is.
Not so on EOs. These are ONE person ideas, no matter what party that person resides in. They are not really law, they are a grey area we all have to deal with. I don't like EOs from either side, especially when they pertain to creating, or over riding the law of the land. We have vehicles to deal with that. Hard you say? Supposed to be I respond!
When the few of the public is that the Feds have severely over reached, then the people want an article 5. I didn't tell any President from Clinton, to Bush, to Obama to over reach, they did it themselves. So now, those that exercise that power, are going to have to deal with the wrath of the people, who actually control the government.
You are 100% correct that the framers created this system to STOP the citizenry from going off the rails. But I am also correct in stating; that an article 5 convention was put in by the exact same people, because the framers knew at some point in time, the government may very well become oppressive. They had to give the citizenry an out that did NOT include armed revolution. That is EXACTLY why they made the process so difficult to achieve. 2/3rds of the states to call it, 3/4s of the states to ratify.
It has come to that, or will very soon. Complain all you want, but if the establishment of both party's had followed what the framers intended, this would not be happening. They did NOT, so now they will have to deal what some perceive, as the "unwashed masses."
And notice I said BOTH! I will not hang what will come to pass only on the Democrats, just as I will not hang Trump or Bernie on them. BOTH parties had a hand, neither like it, but it will come about because they both are more interested in preserving their power, rather than making sure this country is safe, and has a future.