Scalia and the Article V movement

[imawhosure]

Just admit it! That is why you fear an article 5. No way in hell you are going to let the "rube-dummies" have a say in re-establishing equalibrium. No, oh hell no. You pointy heads know better, and how dare they even SUGGEST you return a little power to them.

Answer this, honestly if you can. Knowing that the Founders feared democracy, I shouldn't even have to quote that but I can if necessary, and set up a Constitutional Democratic Republic instead, who, in essence, did they not trust?

OK, I am not going to lie to anyone, you got me there, lol. (and I am laughing because you actually made a point)

But, they also put in article 5 in case the federal government got out of control. Our founders set it up so that nothing could move quickly unless congress made it so.

I may despise Obamacare, but with a few questionable moves made by Reid, he pushed it through. It has passed the muster of Supreme court, and like it or not, unless another congress rescinds it, it is the law of the land. Don't like it, but it is, what it is.

Not so on EOs. These are ONE person ideas, no matter what party that person resides in. They are not really law, they are a grey area we all have to deal with. I don't like EOs from either side, especially when they pertain to creating, or over riding the law of the land. We have vehicles to deal with that. Hard you say? Supposed to be I respond!

When the few of the public is that the Feds have severely over reached, then the people want an article 5. I didn't tell any President from Clinton, to Bush, to Obama to over reach, they did it themselves. So now, those that exercise that power, are going to have to deal with the wrath of the people, who actually control the government.

You are 100% correct that the framers created this system to STOP the citizenry from going off the rails. But I am also correct in stating; that an article 5 convention was put in by the exact same people, because the framers knew at some point in time, the government may very well become oppressive. They had to give the citizenry an out that did NOT include armed revolution. That is EXACTLY why they made the process so difficult to achieve. 2/3rds of the states to call it, 3/4s of the states to ratify.

It has come to that, or will very soon. Complain all you want, but if the establishment of both party's had followed what the framers intended, this would not be happening. They did NOT, so now they will have to deal what some perceive, as the "unwashed masses."

And notice I said BOTH! I will not hang what will come to pass only on the Democrats, just as I will not hang Trump or Bernie on them. BOTH parties had a hand, neither like it, but it will come about because they both are more interested in preserving their power, rather than making sure this country is safe, and has a future.

 

[Votto]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That is a possibility. The longer the current decline continues, the more I am willing to take the risk. America has become nearly unrecognizable in the last twenty years.

This can be done inwardly, or outwardly. Outwardly would be far more costly.

Well, make up your mind. Not too long ago, you were whining about how you thought the country was going against the constitution, Then you found out that the constitution didn't really support the teabagger mentality after all, and now you want to do away with it. Just admit you are a whiney little bitch who wants your way, no matter what it takes to accomplish that.

We are going to get that convention-) How do we know? Because the people who support Trump and Cruz are the same for an article 5 convention. We don't have to carry electoral votes to get it, so California and New York mean nothing more than Iowa or Nebraska.

The constitution (article 5) is going to be used to dismantle Washingtons power, no matter who is in charge. We are going to put them on a budget, meaning no more buying votes from either side. You are going to have to win on ideas, not freebies, because there won't be enough money to hand new ones out. To do it, you are going to have to kill existing programs and piss other people off.

And isn't that the way our government is supposed to work? Figure out what is important, then fund it...................instead of funding everything no matter the cost, so nobody gets pissed and votes for the other side?

Hey, it might actually help the left. People might say <"butter instead of guns." Point is, we can have that debate, win or lose, as long as we are not spending our country into oblivion.

Right. You want to rewrite the constitution. While you're at it, you might as well wish for a pony too. You won't get either one.

The Constitution was already rewritten at the turn of the 20th century. It gave rise to the Federal income tax, which had been struck down years earlier by SCOTUS as unconstitutional. Then they created the Fed. That is when it all went to pot. They also stopped states from appointing Senators, which decreased state rights.

Now it's time to try and fix the damage.

 

[bripat9643]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

 

[bripat9643]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That is a possibility. The longer the current decline continues, the more I am willing to take the risk. America has become nearly unrecognizable in the last twenty years.

This can be done inwardly, or outwardly. Outwardly would be far more costly.

Well, make up your mind. Not too long ago, you were whining about how you thought the country was going against the constitution, Then you found out that the constitution didn't really support the teabagger mentality after all, and now you want to do away with it. Just admit you are a whiney little bitch who wants your way, no matter what it takes to accomplish that.

We are going to get that convention-) How do we know? Because the people who support Trump and Cruz are the same for an article 5 convention. We don't have to carry electoral votes to get it, so California and New York mean nothing more than Iowa or Nebraska.

The constitution (article 5) is going to be used to dismantle Washingtons power, no matter who is in charge. We are going to put them on a budget, meaning no more buying votes from either side. You are going to have to win on ideas, not freebies, because there won't be enough money to hand new ones out. To do it, you are going to have to kill existing programs and piss other people off.

And isn't that the way our government is supposed to work? Figure out what is important, then fund it...................instead of funding everything no matter the cost, so nobody gets pissed and votes for the other side?

Hey, it might actually help the left. People might say <"butter instead of guns." Point is, we can have that debate, win or lose, as long as we are not spending our country into oblivion.

Right. You want to rewrite the constitution. While you're at it, you might as well wish for a pony too. You won't get either one.

The Constitution was already rewritten at the turn of the 20th century. It gave rise to the Federal income tax, which had been struck down years earlier by SCOTUS as unconstitutional. Then they created the Fed. That is when it all went to pot. They also stopped states from appointing Senators, which decreased state rights.

Now it's time to try and fix the damage.

The 14th Amendment is what really eliminated states rights.

 

[Votto]

Well, make up your mind. Not too long ago, you were whining about how you thought the country was going against the constitution, Then you found out that the constitution didn't really support the teabagger mentality after all, and now you want to do away with it. Just admit you are a whiney little bitch who wants your way, no matter what it takes to accomplish that.

We are going to get that convention-) How do we know? Because the people who support Trump and Cruz are the same for an article 5 convention. We don't have to carry electoral votes to get it, so California and New York mean nothing more than Iowa or Nebraska.

The constitution (article 5) is going to be used to dismantle Washingtons power, no matter who is in charge. We are going to put them on a budget, meaning no more buying votes from either side. You are going to have to win on ideas, not freebies, because there won't be enough money to hand new ones out. To do it, you are going to have to kill existing programs and piss other people off.

And isn't that the way our government is supposed to work? Figure out what is important, then fund it...................instead of funding everything no matter the cost, so nobody gets pissed and votes for the other side?

Hey, it might actually help the left. People might say <"butter instead of guns." Point is, we can have that debate, win or lose, as long as we are not spending our country into oblivion.

Right. You want to rewrite the constitution. While you're at it, you might as well wish for a pony too. You won't get either one.

Now there you go again, lol. Not rewriting the constitution, that is a con-con, this is an article 5. Better do a little more studying cause it is going to happen. You can talk bravado all you want, just like those who say neither Trump or Sanders can get elected, and yet, if they are the nominees, one of them will, lol.

It is coming Bull, and sticking your head in the sand isn't going to prevent it. Better for you to figure out how it works, instead of pretending it can't/won't happen.

Then what is an article 5 convention if not to rewrite the constitution? Please explain exactly what you think it might be?

He doesn't know that once a convention is called, no one can stop a runaway. He thinks it can be limited in scope but there's nothing in the Constitution that does that and the last time, when they were supposed to be just making changes, they threw the damn thing out and started over again, giving us what we have now.

Go ahead, boys, roll them dice but know this, no one can stop a runaway once the process starts...

As I have already said, we now have 5 men/women in SCOTUS with a never ending perpetual constitutional convention as we speak. So what is the diff?

 

[Votto]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Exactly right.
80% of Americans favor things like term limits and a balanced budget of some kind. It's time to have their voices heard and destroy this Congress who can't get their approval rating up above 15%.

It's time to replace a dysfunctional and dying system.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

 

[Votto]

Ted Cruz has already said he will filibuster an appointment by Obama.

And why not? It has come down to simply appointing stooges who will vote down party lines. We already know that Obama will appoint a stooge who will vote down party lines.

In short, it has nothing to do with the Constitution as it does implementing party power via the courts.

 

[Votto]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

 

[Votto]

I find it interesting that Scalia died right before SCOTUS was going to hear cases regarding the Constitutionality of Obama's EO's.

Now I'm not going to say there was foul play involved. What good would that do, especially in light of the fact that we have Hillary leading her party for being President even though it has been proven that she broke the law?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

If you wish to put what's been working from 1789 to now on the line, I'm not about to stop you but, that's what's one the line.

 

[Votto]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

If you wish to put what's been working from 1789 to now on the line, I'm not about to stop you but, that's what's one the line.

If we had the same Constitution as we had in 1789, unmolested by fanatical interpretations, I would agree, but we do not.

Federalism is dead and so to is the notion of a limited government.

 

[bripat9643]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

The state legislators control it. 3/4 of them have to approve anything produced by the convention.

 

[bripat9643]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

If you wish to put what's been working from 1789 to now on the line, I'm not about to stop you but, that's what's one the line.

But it hasn't worked. It was intended to prevent exactly the kind of gargantuan government we have now.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

The state legislators control it. 3/4 of them have to approve anything produced by the convention.

Fine, but what they approve of, including a new constitution, no one can control. The last time this was tried, what we had was tossed in the garbage. They weren't supposed to do that either, but they did...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

If you wish to put what's been working from 1789 to now on the line, I'm not about to stop you but, that's what's one the line.

But it hasn't worked. It was intended to prevent exactly the kind of gargantuan government we have now.

We have nothing of the kind, and the government is smaller under Obama than it was under Bush.

 

[bripat9643]

Call a convention and you get a runaway, a new Constitution, like last time. Go for it.

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

The state legislators control it. 3/4 of them have to approve anything produced by the convention.

Fine, but what they approve of, including a new constitution, no one can control. The last time this was tried, what we had was tossed in the garbage. They weren't supposed to do that either, but they did...

There was no Constitution when that assembly was formed. If they rewrite the Constitution the states can vote it down.

 

[Votto]

Not many may know this, but right after the US gained independence from Britain, they inexplicably created the Alien and Sedition Acts that prevented people from speaking out against those in government.

Now you would think that after being bloodied by a revolution to gain independence from an oppressive power like Britain that those in government would hold great reserve in becoming what they had just broken away from, but they did not.

If it had not been for Jefferson leading the fight against the Alien and Sedition Acts, the US would be a far darker place than it is now.

Nonetheless, some of the provision remained and were used by FDR to imprison Japanese Americans during WW2. This is the danger we face when those in government do not completely eradicate unconstitutional provisions in government, such as the NDAA that Obama signed into law that enables them to imprison US citizens without due process based on the premise that they might be terrorists.

So lefties, what if SCOTUS finds all of Obama's EO's to be constitutional and basically rubber stamps the President being able to write EO's that contradict laws on the books? You might unwittingly unleash someone like Trump who can come in and ban all Muslims from US soil.

 

[bripat9643]

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

If you wish to put what's been working from 1789 to now on the line, I'm not about to stop you but, that's what's one the line.

But it hasn't worked. It was intended to prevent exactly the kind of gargantuan government we have now.

We have nothing of the kind, and the government is smaller under Obama than it was under Bush.

ROFL. The government is bigger and more intrusive than ever. The only thing smaller is the military.

Our government is at least ten times the size it was in 1914.

 

[Votto]

That horseshit has already been debunked. All the convention can do is propose amendments, and every one of those amendments has to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures.

How can there be a "runaway convention?"

Because, dummy. no one can control what happens once a CC is called, no one.

And who pulls the strings of the fab 5 in SCOTUS currently who will have an ongoing Constitutional convention? Obama soon will. Therefore, we have nothing to lose.

If you wish to put what's been working from 1789 to now on the line, I'm not about to stop you but, that's what's one the line.

But it hasn't worked. It was intended to prevent exactly the kind of gargantuan government we have now.

We have nothing of the kind, and the government is smaller under Obama than it was under Bush.

Smaller how exactly?