SC priest: no communion for obama voters

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    ) - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
    The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

    "Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

    "Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

    During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

    But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers—and voters—should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

    According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County—traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas—went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

    "It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

    Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

    Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

    "Father Newman is off-base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

    A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

    "I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

    ___ SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters


    i am just tossing this out for discussion.
     
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    I think it's ridiculous.
     
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    and your reasons for that thinking?
     
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    Isn't it obvious? It's an insult to Christians as a whole for a church to assume they know the will of God; what He thinks of the political process and candidates.

    Tell me, whose policies - Obama's or McCain's - do you imagine will reduce the number of abortions the most? Consider why abortions are obtained, then answer the question. Roe v. Wade is not going to be overturned any time soon. Pro-lifers, myself included, need to focus on the best way to realistically reduce the number of abortions.

    "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

    As a Catholic, I reject their ridiculous attempts to establish a theocracy. If not abortion, then what? "Those who voted against Prop 8 are not welcome in the house of God."

    Give me a break.
     
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    Those who voted NO on Prop 8 did vote against God's Laws and Commandments and have sinned against Him.
     
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    No, they did not.

    "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

    Try reading the entire Bible rather than picking out various parts.
     
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    God calls "men who lay with men" an abomination and are to be stoned.

    Yes, the Bible says that plain and clear!
     
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    Clearly you don't understand the passage I offered.
     
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    That verse is easy to understand.

    Basically it deals with obeying mans laws vers. obeying God's laws.

    When it comes to homosexuality.

    Man's law says it's OK.

    God's law says it is a sin.

    So then you have to make a choice.

    Obey God or Man

    So, which one do you choose Macintosh????
     
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    Actually, it implies that God's law should be a private matter with the individual; that it should NOT be forced on the government (the people). God, at least according to the Bible, is not concerned with forcing His will on anyone. People make their own decisions. To follow His law, to not follow His law.

    "Remove the plank from your own eye..."

    If you believe homosexuality is wrong, if you choose to follow God's law, that's fine. Don't engage in homosexual acts. But it is not your right to make that determination for anyone else.

    This is not a Christian nation. Religious edict has no place in our system of government.
     
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