Santorum Bashes Public Schools, Says They're Stuck In Factory Era

[Gadawg73]

We have good friends that are teachers. And they are good ones. One couple they both teach. They spend 6 weeks in their condo in Destin each summer.
Must be nice to have 6 weeks of paid vacation in a row each year.
Making a quarter million between the 2 of them in salary and benefits in their mid 50s now and they can retire in 2 more years.
We pay them enough now.
The funny thing is I saw an analogy in the link above comparing first year teachers to first year lawyers. The amount of time and sacrifice to become a lawyer is 4 times greater than becoming a teacher.
We must get on the same page folks. Lawyers compete for their $$$, teachers are not in the private sector. And I come from a family of teachers!

 

[Gadawg73]

The drain on the systems due to retired teachers is vast in Georgia.
We know many retired in their early 50s.
Insane system. Why do they get to retire at age 52?
Estimates now are that these retirees will cost over 1 million a piece after retirement. In 14 years it will be 2 million a piece to pay for their retirement, health benefits and retirement pay.
Average retirement span now is 23 years for these folks and growing every year.
There is your $$$ if anyone has the guts to change the system.

 

[Oddball]

We have good friends that are teachers. And they are good ones. One couple they both teach. They spend 6 weeks in their condo in Destin each summer.
Must be nice to have 6 weeks of paid vacation in a row each year.
Making a quarter million between the 2 of them in salary and benefits in their mid 50s now and they can retire in 2 more years.
We pay them enough now.
The funny thing is I saw an analogy in the link above comparing first year teachers to first year lawyers. The amount of time and sacrifice to become a lawyer is 4 times greater than becoming a teacher.
We must get on the same page folks. Lawyers compete for their $$$, teachers are not in the private sector. And I come from a family of teachers!

Yes, we hear the same crap about teachers and professional athletes.

Seems that in college, while they were earning their vastly overrated degrees in edumacation, that they failed to take even the most elementary course in economics.

 

[Trajan]

thats the people who are running the schools fault.....the parents need to get involved with what the kid is doing in school and how well the kid is doing....California has dumped billions into the system....when i came out here in 67 Cal was top 5 in the nation....now i keep seeing things saying they are in the 40's......throwing money obviously aint the answer.....

So where is all this fucking money going? It isn't going to the schools...

Wages..............

for bloated admin staffs and more mgt. which has outpaced student pop.

 

[Trajan]

Yes, there is...

Closing the Talent Gap

and from Pay Teachers More...

One Los Angeles study found that having a teacher from the 25 percent most effective group of teachers for four years in a row would be enough to eliminate the black-white achievement gap.

Recent scholarship suggests that good teachers, even kindergarten teachers, increase their students’ earnings many years later. Eric A. Hanushek of Stanford University found that an excellent teacher (one a standard deviation better than average, or better than 84 percent of teachers) raises each student’s lifetime earnings by $20,000. If there are 20 students in the class, that is an extra $400,000 generated, compared with a teacher who is merely average.​

Your link does not prove that paying teachers more makes public schools better.
The article says to "throw them 100K" without any facts whatsoever what that would do to educate the students.
You may want to pay teachers 65K a year as this article states TO START but when you add in benefit packages, retirement funding and the 10 weeks of paid vacation they get you advocate giving teachers 100K TO START.
Absurd. Paying a teacher WITH NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER 100 thousand dollars a year to start.
Insane. The problem we have now is they want to throw $$$ at it and NOT ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM.
Parents are the problem. Kids can not learn because of the bad environment they are raised in and the disruptions in the class rooms.
How does paying teachers more stop the class room rowdy behavior from the moocher class kids?
Facts folks. I have raised 3 in the public schools and have coached over 1000 kids in rec league sports.
Parents and their lack of responsibility is the problem.

The parents you describe are the exception to the rule so to put the burden of our public's school system on them is a stretch. In 1970 there was a $2,000 pay difference between what a lawyer makes and what a teacher made. Now the difference is over $100K.

You don't think that's significant? You don't think that matters? You REALLY want to put the entire burden on parents who BOTH now have to work to make ends meet?

hello, the cost to become a lawyer is infinitely higher than getting a simple BA....

 

[Full-Auto]

So where is all this fucking money going? It isn't going to the schools...

Wages..............

for bloated admin staffs and more mgt. which has outpaced student pop.

That hit the nail on the head.

 

[Oddball]

Your link does not prove that paying teachers more makes public schools better.
The article says to "throw them 100K" without any facts whatsoever what that would do to educate the students.
You may want to pay teachers 65K a year as this article states TO START but when you add in benefit packages, retirement funding and the 10 weeks of paid vacation they get you advocate giving teachers 100K TO START.
Absurd. Paying a teacher WITH NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER 100 thousand dollars a year to start.
Insane. The problem we have now is they want to throw $$$ at it and NOT ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM.
Parents are the problem. Kids can not learn because of the bad environment they are raised in and the disruptions in the class rooms.
How does paying teachers more stop the class room rowdy behavior from the moocher class kids?
Facts folks. I have raised 3 in the public schools and have coached over 1000 kids in rec league sports.
Parents and their lack of responsibility is the problem.

The parents you describe are the exception to the rule so to put the burden of our public's school system on them is a stretch. In 1970 there was a $2,000 pay difference between what a lawyer makes and what a teacher made. Now the difference is over $100K.

You don't think that's significant? You don't think that matters? You REALLY want to put the entire burden on parents who BOTH now have to work to make ends meet?

hello, the cost to become a lawyer is infinitely higher than getting a simple BA....

HELLO!

How many people have edumcation degrees versus those with law degrees?...DUH!

I swear, colleges must have replaced their econ departments with advanced courses in snivelling and whining.

 

[WillowTree]

Santorum Bashes Public Schools, Says They're Stuck In Factory Era
LATimes ^ | February 18, 2012 | Mitchell Landsberg

Santorum bashes public schools, says they're stuck in factory era - latimes.com
Santorum Bashes Public Schools, Says They're Stuck In Factory Era

By Mitchell Landsberg February 18, 2012

Reporting from Columbus, Ohio— Republican GOP hopeful Rick Santorum may be the most prominent homeschooler in America. So it might not have been surprising that, on Saturday, he told a conservative Christian audience that he intended to homeschool his children in the White House.

In his remarks to the Ohio Christian Alliance, however, Santorum went further, seeming to attack the very idea of public education.

In the nation’s past, he said, “Most presidents homeschooled their children in the White House.… Parents educated their children because it was their responsibility.”

“Yes, the government can help,” he continued, “but the idea that the federal government should be running schools, frankly much less that the state government should be running schools, is anachronistic.”


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He is so fucking right! Public schools force our children to learn agenda of the federal government, instead of learning how to think. Santorum is right!

The teacher's unions have fucked up public education.

 

[DaGoose]

The drain on the systems due to retired teachers is vast in Georgia.
We know many retired in their early 50s.
Insane system. Why do they get to retire at age 52?
Estimates now are that these retirees will cost over 1 million a piece after retirement. In 14 years it will be 2 million a piece to pay for their retirement, health benefits and retirement pay.
Average retirement span now is 23 years for these folks and growing every year.
There is your $$$ if anyone has the guts to change the system.

And this is in Georgia? A RTW GOP controlled state? How can that be? I thought the GOP had all of the answers....

 

[Seawytch]

Your link does not prove that paying teachers more makes public schools better.
The article says to "throw them 100K" without any facts whatsoever what that would do to educate the students.
You may want to pay teachers 65K a year as this article states TO START but when you add in benefit packages, retirement funding and the 10 weeks of paid vacation they get you advocate giving teachers 100K TO START.
Absurd. Paying a teacher WITH NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER 100 thousand dollars a year to start.
Insane. The problem we have now is they want to throw $$$ at it and NOT ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM.
Parents are the problem. Kids can not learn because of the bad environment they are raised in and the disruptions in the class rooms.
How does paying teachers more stop the class room rowdy behavior from the moocher class kids?
Facts folks. I have raised 3 in the public schools and have coached over 1000 kids in rec league sports.
Parents and their lack of responsibility is the problem.

The parents you describe are the exception to the rule so to put the burden of our public's school system on them is a stretch. In 1970 there was a $2,000 pay difference between what a lawyer makes and what a teacher made. Now the difference is over $100K.

You don't think that's significant? You don't think that matters? You REALLY want to put the entire burden on parents who BOTH now have to work to make ends meet?

hello, the cost to become a lawyer is infinitely higher than getting a simple BA....

Have the education requirements to become lawyers increased since the 1970s? Have the education requirements to become a teacher decreased since the 70s? If they haven't, how can you explain a difference in pay of $100K from then and now?

 

[Full-Auto]

The drain on the systems due to retired teachers is vast in Georgia.
We know many retired in their early 50s.
Insane system. Why do they get to retire at age 52?
Estimates now are that these retirees will cost over 1 million a piece after retirement. In 14 years it will be 2 million a piece to pay for their retirement, health benefits and retirement pay.
Average retirement span now is 23 years for these folks and growing every year.
There is your $$$ if anyone has the guts to change the system.

And this is in Georgia? A RTW GOP controlled state? How can that be? I thought the GOP had all of the answers....

Why dont you comment on the calif pension funds just to prove you are not a hack................

 

[Dot Com]

IOW- he's going to saddle his wife w/ the extra work? Gotta love those republican base candidates and their 'submissive wives':
Michele Bachmann

“The Lord says be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands.” – Michele Bachmann, October 2006.

 

[sealybobo]

a. There is nothing wrong with most middle class public schools. Take out the poor schools and we do just fine against the rest of the world.

b. Not everyone is going to be a mathamatician or scientist. Sure schools need to get more technical but that isn't what Santorum really wants.

c. Republicans just want to stop paying for public schools. Their kids go to private schools. And they want a dumb society. Easier to control. Look how they control the south.

d. Pay more taxes and fund the poor public schools.

e. Put jobs in those poor areas and see how the schools improve. They lack funds/taxes.

f. Rich people want a tax break for sending their kids to private schools. Screw off. Romney only pays 12% and I pay over 30%. Give me the tax break.

g. Private schools aren't better than the average public schools. All they do is graduate iarrogant pricks who feel entitled. In a public school you learn you shit stinks too. Private school kids are fags. I bet daddy pays for college and helps you get your first job too. Must be nice. Then these assholes grow up and say they made it on their own.

 

[JoeB131]

Good little sheeple.
You're as dumb as Santorum wants you to be.

So you're happy with the eduction system created by the government?

I am. Lessens the competition for me.

 

[bripat9643]

Good little sheeple.
You're as dumb as Santorum wants you to be.

You're obviously another victim of the government schools.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

My children never set foot anywhere near a public screwel.

 

[bripat9643]

I wonder how old Santorum's kids think the Earth is?

They probably have a better idea than your kids.

 

[bripat9643]

Money never buys excellence. One fact is for sure in this country. There is NO CORRELATION between what teachers are paid and how well students perform.

Yes, there is...

Closing the Talent Gap

and from Pay Teachers More...

One Los Angeles study found that having a teacher from the 25 percent most effective group of teachers for four years in a row would be enough to eliminate the black-white achievement gap.

Recent scholarship suggests that good teachers, even kindergarten teachers, increase their students’ earnings many years later. Eric A. Hanushek of Stanford University found that an excellent teacher (one a standard deviation better than average, or better than 84 percent of teachers) raises each student’s lifetime earnings by $20,000. If there are 20 students in the class, that is an extra $400,000 generated, compared with a teacher who is merely average.​

Unfortunately for your claim, teachers aren't paid according to how well they do their jobs. They are paid according to seniority. You failed to show any correlation between spending on education and student achievement.

 

[DaGoose]

Money never buys excellence. One fact is for sure in this country. There is NO CORRELATION between what teachers are paid and how well students perform.

Yes, there is...

Closing the Talent Gap

and from Pay Teachers More...

One Los Angeles study found that having a teacher from the 25 percent most effective group of teachers for four years in a row would be enough to eliminate the black-white achievement gap.

Recent scholarship suggests that good teachers, even kindergarten teachers, increase their students’ earnings many years later. Eric A. Hanushek of Stanford University found that an excellent teacher (one a standard deviation better than average, or better than 84 percent of teachers) raises each student’s lifetime earnings by $20,000. If there are 20 students in the class, that is an extra $400,000 generated, compared with a teacher who is merely average.​

Unfortunately for your claim, teachers aren't paid according to how well they do their jobs. They are paid according to seniority. You failed to show any correlation between spending on education and student achievement.

Ok....how would you set that up? Who would do the judging? What criteria would you set? How much more would you pay a teacher who performs well?

 

[Vel]

Yes, there is...

Closing the Talent Gap

and from Pay Teachers More...

One Los Angeles study found that having a teacher from the 25 percent most effective group of teachers for four years in a row would be enough to eliminate the black-white achievement gap.

Recent scholarship suggests that good teachers, even kindergarten teachers, increase their students’ earnings many years later. Eric A. Hanushek of Stanford University found that an excellent teacher (one a standard deviation better than average, or better than 84 percent of teachers) raises each student’s lifetime earnings by $20,000. If there are 20 students in the class, that is an extra $400,000 generated, compared with a teacher who is merely average.​

Your link does not prove that paying teachers more makes public schools better.
The article says to "throw them 100K" without any facts whatsoever what that would do to educate the students.
You may want to pay teachers 65K a year as this article states TO START but when you add in benefit packages, retirement funding and the 10 weeks of paid vacation they get you advocate giving teachers 100K TO START.
Absurd. Paying a teacher WITH NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER 100 thousand dollars a year to start.
Insane. The problem we have now is they want to throw $$$ at it and NOT ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM.
Parents are the problem. Kids can not learn because of the bad environment they are raised in and the disruptions in the class rooms.
How does paying teachers more stop the class room rowdy behavior from the moocher class kids?
Facts folks. I have raised 3 in the public schools and have coached over 1000 kids in rec league sports.
Parents and their lack of responsibility is the problem.

The parents you describe are the exception to the rule so to put the burden of our public's school system on them is a stretch. In 1970 there was a $2,000 pay difference between what a lawyer makes and what a teacher made. Now the difference is over $100K.

You don't think that's significant? You don't think that matters? You REALLY want to put the entire burden on parents who BOTH now have to work to make ends meet?

All that says is that the lawyers are overpaid Actually, you might want to investigate the current price of a teaching degree as opposed to a law degree and see how great that difference has become as well.