Sam Adams beer told to leave Obama's America!!!!

[BlindBoo]

BHahaha Obama's America? Haven't those tax havens been around since Raygun or before?

But you said Ovomit is for the little guy?

Were you lying?

No no, those were the voices in you head telling you that's I said that.

 

[BlindBoo]

In fact, its because of things The Obama and the left oppose - fracking and drilling.

Who approved Shell to drill in the arctic?

Fracking?

Obama fracking rules anger environmentalists who want ban on federal land drilling - Washington Times

 

[depotoo]

Saudi Arabia has increased output to make up for shortfalls. They are fortunate where other opec states are not, in that they have a swf to tap into for their $40 billion in shortfalls for 2015, which they previously have not had to deal with. The other states will not be so lucky.
To compete with those outide the opec, and deal with global economies, and green energy they have had to lower pricing.

Wrong, Matthew. The price of oil is way down and so are profits-
Exxon and Chevron profits are down over 50 - Jul. 31 2015
Jul 31, 2015 · Exxon's earnings fell 50% in a year. Chevron's are down90%. It's been an even worse year for Big Oil than people realized.

And why? Because OPEC wants it so. Oil is being pumped out by OPEC countries more than it has been in a long time, before Chavez got into power in 1999 especially.

Why has the US targeted the four anti-US OPEC members since 2001?

Simple.... they wanted to stop OPEC being able to control oil.

Do you really believe OPEC wants its revenues reduced to 1/3 of what they were?

 

[M14 Shooter]

A more accurate way to say that is that under the free market firms that do a better job of serving their customers grow and expand while firms that do a poor job if it contract and eventually go out of business. Commies like you try to make this process sound sinister by using terms like “the strong” and “the weak,” and “dog eat dog.” One of the main problems with government is that agencies that do a poor job of serving their customers never go out of business. They linger on forever and even grow and expand.

Odd, how liberals are all about natural selection, except when it doesn't benefit them politically.

 

[bripat9643]

In fact, its because of things The Obama and the left oppose - fracking and drilling.

Who approved Shell to drill in the arctic?

Fracking?

Obama fracking rules anger environmentalists who want ban on federal land drilling - Washington Times

Nobody "approved" fracking, numskull. Drillers have been doing it for decades.

Why Obama approved drilling the arctic and really can't say. I think he went temporarily insane.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Not even close.
Obama is a corporatist elitist.

A "corporatist elitist" isn't a capitalist?

No.
Corporatism, as it exist today, is a new phenomena.
Small, privately owned businesses, are fading into the background as corporations have gotten into pretty much every type of business that exist. All across America, city after city is becoming "Anytown, USA" with all of the same corporate boxes all across a region, or even the entire country.
THIS is why there is severe wealth concentration for the past 25 years.
Also why since 2009, the top 7% wage earners have lavished in a 33% earnings increase, while the rest of America lost 5% of their income. Some recovery huh?

That's capitalism, pure unregulated capitalism where the strong buy up the weak before they've had a chance.

Also, recessions are good for rich people, we know this, and we know they look forward to it.

Someone like Trump doesn't have any interest in stopping the next recession, okay it won't happen with him a president, even if he won this time around, but he wouldn't do anything to stop it happening in 20 years time either.

Trump is still for the rich.

No it isn't "pure capitalism". It is corporatism.
Corporatism, as it exist today, has essentially transformed our country into a corporatocracy...much like a plutocracy.
We are no longer a Democratic Republic. PERIOD.

Never were.

When has democracy ever reigned in the US?

When slavery existed? Nope.
When Women were denied the vote? Nope.
When elections were bought? Nope. Well that covers every single minute of the US from 1776 to the present day.

Oh, but they told you that the US is a democracy.... well they lied. They still lie.

I didn't say Democracy. I said Democratic Republic

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Businesses haven't. Cities, states and feds have, with their policies, etc. If a business is given free rein, guess who holds those loose reins? Tight reins on smaller businesses? Once again, who is tightening those reins?
Who makes it difficult for businesses to start up and florish? Certainly some business models, or lack thereof, do, but many have the bureaucracy in their way.

Which is a natural condition in a corporatocracy.
Local/State and Federal governments make regulations for the specific purpose to make it impossible to start up and/or compete against corporations. Good God, the entire agribusiness is one big regulation designed by Monsanto executives.[/QUOTE]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Does anyone think its really really stupid for liberal tax laws to drive our corporations offshore this way, especially when low off shore wages already encourage our corporations to move?

Liberal tax laws? You know the corporate tax rate has been unchanged since the 80s, right? Right?

Right?

Correct. Reagan was the last Conservative.
The rest have been Statist scumbags

 

[depotoo]

No, it is bureacratically driven. Those in control have the power. If the govt officials impose regulations, fees, etc. that strangle start ups, it is on them, period. This nonsense of blaming big business for govt officials looking after their own interests, is simply ridiculous. Unless you are claiming they are being blackmailed with more than campaign contributions. That isn't what you are contending, is it?

Businesses haven't. Cities, states and feds have, with their policies, etc. If a business is given free rein, guess who holds those loose reins? Tight reins on smaller businesses? Once again, who is tightening those reins?
Who makes it difficult for businesses to start up and florish? Certainly some business models, or lack thereof, do, but many have the bureaucracy in their way.

Which is a natural condition in a corporatocracy.
Local/State and Federal governments make regulations for the specific purpose to make it impossible to start up and/or compete against corporations. Good God, the entire agribusiness is one big regulation designed by Monsanto executives.

[/QUOTE]

 

[BlindBoo]

Nobody "approved" fracking, numskull. Drillers have been doing it for decades.

New York State officially banned fracking for natural gas by issuing its final environmental impact statement, concluding a seven-year review.

It s official New York bans fracking RT USA

Over a century of fracking, really.

Fracking A Look Back - ASME

 

[westwall]

Capitalism isn't patriotic. Now you know.

Obama isn't a capitalist - now you... wait - you can't be taught...

For a non-capitalist he sure likes capitalism.

No, he likes the payoffs that come with crony capitalism. You know it by its other name fascism.....

 

[bripat9643]

Nobody "approved" fracking, numskull. Drillers have been doing it for decades.

New York State officially banned fracking for natural gas by issuing its final environmental impact statement, concluding a seven-year review.

It s official New York bans fracking RT USA

Over a century of fracking, really.

Fracking A Look Back - ASME

So you meant to say is that Obama didn't ban fracking. He also hasn't banned the manufacture of automobiles or cell phones. All that proves is that he isn't as insane as the government of New York city. He understands what he can get away with.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

No, it is bureacratically driven. Those in control have the power. If the govt officials impose regulations, fees, etc. that strangle start ups, it is on them, period. This nonsense of blaming big business for govt officials looking after their own interests, is simply ridiculous. Unless you are claiming they are being blackmailed with more than campaign contributions. That isn't what you are contending, is it?

Businesses haven't. Cities, states and feds have, with their policies, etc. If a business is given free rein, guess who holds those loose reins? Tight reins on smaller businesses? Once again, who is tightening those reins?
Who makes it difficult for businesses to start up and florish? Certainly some business models, or lack thereof, do, but many have the bureaucracy in their way.

Which is a natural condition in a corporatocracy.
Local/State and Federal governments make regulations for the specific purpose to make it impossible to start up and/or compete against corporations. Good God, the entire agribusiness is one big regulation designed by Monsanto executives.

[/QUOTE]

I am contending they are becoming one big family.
Are you aware that the House/Senate made themselves immune from insider trading laws?
Are you aware that, During the Clinton administration, Larry Summers had Clinton push congress to remove the derivative market out of the jurisdiction of the SEC?? And then Summers himself went on to make $millions in the derivative markets...and Oh...Summers was also a key adviser to Obama in two capacities.

 

[bendog]

The failed OP has nothing to do with Obama ... beyond he has staff brewing his beer.

Beer industry unites on excise tax releif issue - Beer News

 

[Uncensored2008]

The whole point of capitalism is to move production to freedom hating shit holes in Asia and the global south FOR CHEAP LABOR.

Does it hurt to be that stupid?

This is why the U.S. has occasionally supported dictators, because these monsters maintain the political and social conditions that give our capitalists cheap labor.

By dictators, you mean socialist scum like you promote?

Reagan told us that we needed to free capital to go in search of the cheapest possible labor.

No he didn't - you're just lying because you're a scumbag with zero integrity.

The higher profits (made possible by the oppressed labor markets in freedom hating dictatorships) would incentivize investment and lead to economic growth.

Really?

What particular economic school does the idiocy you spew come from?

Who knew that once we gave capitalists the freedom and free military protection to scour the globe, the result would be that our noble John Galts - our captains of finance and industry - would get in bed with Communist China.

One thing about you Communists - you're stupid as piles of dog shit. You have utterly no idea what the phrases you repeat from the hate sites mean.

Fucking moron.

And yet the GOP claims to be patriotic, as they support a party that has crushed the american workforce while partnering with freedom hating dictatorships in Asia.

What a fucking joke.

Yes, the GOP and the way they cozied up to Iran and Cuba - fucktard..

 

[Uncensored2008]

No no, those were the voices in you head telling you that's I said that.

Actually they were the posts from you.

So why doesn't Ovomit help the common people?

 

[Ravi]

The failed OP has nothing to do with Obama ... beyond he has staff brewing his beer.

Beer industry unites on excise tax releif issue - Beer News

Apparently no one cares and is content to let the OP stand. Notice how they ignore the reality of the situation and are now discussing fracking.

 

[depotoo]

Who is in charge? Who allows any one, business or individual to influence them? It can't happen unless gov't allows it. That is the point.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? The horse or the cart? In the US of A, once government was established, and they began to regulate business, their own interests and pets eventually won out, rather than the people's.
Big government only allows for even further control by the interests of those elected and selected to govern.

No, it is bureacratically driven. Those in control have the power. If the govt officials impose regulations, fees, etc. that strangle start ups, it is on them, period. This nonsense of blaming big business for govt officials looking after their own interests, is simply ridiculous. Unless you are claiming they are being blackmailed with more than campaign contributions. That isn't what you are contending, is it?

Businesses haven't. Cities, states and feds have, with their policies, etc. If a business is given free rein, guess who holds those loose reins? Tight reins on smaller businesses? Once again, who is tightening those reins?
Who makes it difficult for businesses to start up and florish? Certainly some business models, or lack thereof, do, but many have the bureaucracy in their way.

Which is a natural condition in a corporatocracy.
Local/State and Federal governments make regulations for the specific purpose to make it impossible to start up and/or compete against corporations. Good God, the entire agribusiness is one big regulation designed by Monsanto executives.

IamwhatIseem quoted-
I am contending they are becoming one big family.
Are you aware that the House/Senate made themselves immune from insider trading laws?
Are you aware that, During the Clinton administration, Larry Summers had Clinton push congress to remove the derivative market out of the jurisdiction of the SEC?? And then Summers himself went on to make $millions in the derivative markets...and Oh...Summers was also a key adviser to Obama in two capacities.[/QUOTE]

 

[bendog]

The failed OP has nothing to do with Obama ... beyond he has staff brewing his beer.

Beer industry unites on excise tax releif issue - Beer News

Apparently no one cares and is content to let the OP stand. Notice how they ignore the reality of the situation and are now discussing fracking.

The funny thing is that after the congressional elections the wogs thought the one thing compromise was possible for was the corp tax rate, which Obama and a maj of congress thinks should be lowered but the income subject to taxes should be expanded .... and Boehner can't even bring it up in the House and keep his speakership.

And people wonder why voters are angry with their own parties.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Who is in charge? Who allows any one, business or individual to influence them? It can't happen unless gov't allows it. That is the point.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? The horse or the cart? In the US of A, once government was established, and they began to regulate business, their own interests and pets eventually won out, rather than the people's.
Big government only allows for even further control by the interests of those elected and selected to govern.

No, it is bureacratically driven. Those in control have the power. If the govt officials impose regulations, fees, etc. that strangle start ups, it is on them, period. This nonsense of blaming big business for govt officials looking after their own interests, is simply ridiculous. Unless you are claiming they are being blackmailed with more than campaign contributions. That isn't what you are contending, is it?

Businesses haven't. Cities, states and feds have, with their policies, etc. If a business is given free rein, guess who holds those loose reins? Tight reins on smaller businesses? Once again, who is tightening those reins?
Who makes it difficult for businesses to start up and florish? Certainly some business models, or lack thereof, do, but many have the bureaucracy in their way.

Which is a natural condition in a corporatocracy.
Local/State and Federal governments make regulations for the specific purpose to make it impossible to start up and/or compete against corporations. Good God, the entire agribusiness is one big regulation designed by Monsanto executives.

I am contending they are becoming one big family.
Are you aware that the House/Senate made themselves immune from insider trading laws?
Are you aware that, During the Clinton administration, Larry Summers had Clinton push congress to remove the derivative market out of the jurisdiction of the SEC?? And then Summers himself went on to make $millions in the derivative markets...and Oh...Summers was also a key adviser to Obama in two capacities.

[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And the result after 30 years of BOTH parties collusion with big money AGAINST the population has resulted in our current corporatocracy. An economy in which all or most of the benefit of production goes directly into the hands of a very-very-very-very small number of people.
And the government officials benefit greatly by investing into the same system they setup.
We do not have a free market anymore. Doesn't really even resemble one.